Limiting choice or protecting life? Abortion-safety bill stirs deep passions in Huntsville

There are 20 comments on the Feb 7, 2013, Alabama Live story titled Limiting choice or protecting life? Abortion-safety bill stirs deep passions in Huntsville. In it, Alabama Live reports that:

HUNTSVILLE, Alabama - A bill making its way through the Alabama House that would require physician involvement in all abortions is stirring deep passions in Huntsville, home to one of the state's five remaining abortion clinics.

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ThomasA

Birmingham, AL

#41 Feb 18, 2013
Obamanation wrote:
<quoted text>You miss the point. The baby is a life whether you like it or not. For the mother to choose death takes away the babies choice to live.
Like it or not,the choice is still the mother's, not your's. How do you expect people to accept your personal beliefs if you won't accept their's. It works both ways.

Since: Jan 13

Location hidden

#42 Mar 4, 2013
I would be pro choice, but that would be an insult to the teenage rape victim who chose to give birth to me anyway.

“And the Horse You Rode in On”

Since: Sep 08

Minneapolis

#43 Mar 5, 2013
01Justsayin wrote:
I would be pro choice, but that would be an insult to the teenage rape victim who chose to give birth to me anyway.
How would that be an insult if she "chose"? Would you have preferred she be forced? Would you be pro forcing women/girls to to have sex for procreation purposes, thus pro rape?

Since: Jan 13

Location hidden

#44 Mar 5, 2013
Morgana 9 wrote:
<quoted text>How would that be an insult if she "chose"? Would you have preferred she be forced? Would you be pro forcing women/girls to to have sex for procreation purposes, thus pro rape?
I would be pro life. Kindly refrain from attempting to twist my words. We all know what pro choice means.

“And the Horse You Rode in On”

Since: Sep 08

Minneapolis

#45 Mar 5, 2013
01Justsayin wrote:
<quoted text>
I would be pro life. Kindly refrain from attempting to twist my words. We all know what pro choice means.
Yes we all do know what pro choice means, it means a woman/girl has a choice as opposed to having no choice, so I will ask again:

Would you have preferred she be forced? Would you be pro forcing women/girls to to have sex for procreation purposes, thus pro rape?

Kindly refrain from dodging an answer.

Since: Jan 13

Location hidden

#46 Mar 5, 2013
Morgana 9 wrote:
<quoted text>Yes we all do know what pro choice means, it means a woman/girl has a choice as opposed to having no choice, so I will ask again:

Would you have preferred she be forced? Would you be pro forcing women/girls to to have sex for procreation purposes, thus pro rape?

Kindly refrain from dodging an answer.
I am pro life for women, men, and children. And I am against the forcing of any human being against their will. By all means, make your choices. Just be advised of all your options. Murdering an unborn child, who did not get a chance to choose, is not the only way. It may not have been your choice to get pregnant. But why would you punish an unborn child for a sin that they themselves did not commit? Punish the bastard who raped you to begin with. These aren't the dark ages we're living in.

“And the Horse You Rode in On”

Since: Sep 08

Minneapolis

#47 Mar 5, 2013
01Justsayin wrote:
<quoted text>
I am pro life for women, men, and children. And I am against the forcing of any human being against their will. By all means, make your choices. Just be advised of all your options. Murdering an unborn child, who did not get a chance to choose, is not the only way. It may not have been your choice to get pregnant. But why would you punish an unborn child for a sin that they themselves did not commit? Punish the bastard who raped you to begin with. These aren't the dark ages we're living in.
You are not making sense and you are avoiding an honest answer. Consider your statements.

" but that would be an insult to the teenage rape victim who "chose" to give birth to me anyway"

"I am against the forcing of any human being against their will"

You state "But why would you punish an unborn child for a sin that they themselves did not commit"? What sin did the raped woman/girl commit and why should she feel responsible to bear the result of a crime committed against her? You seem to acknowledge an unborn child and the rapist and the woman/girl has vanished into thin air as though she does no exist. Why is that?

Do you think pregnancy and child birth is easy and void of risks? You seen to have zero concern for women/girls. It appears you feel they "owe" regardless of their circumstances.

Since: Jan 13

Location hidden

#48 Mar 5, 2013
Morgana 9 wrote:
<quoted text>You are not making sense and you are avoiding an honest answer. Consider your statements.

" but that would be an insult to the teenage rape victim who "chose" to give birth to me anyway"

"I am against the forcing of any human being against their will"

You state "But why would you punish an unborn child for a sin that they themselves did not commit"? What sin did the raped woman/girl commit and why should she feel responsible to bear the result of a crime committed against her? You seem to acknowledge an unborn child and the rapist and the woman/girl has vanished into thin air as though she does no exist. Why is that?

Do you think pregnancy and child birth is easy and void of risks? You seen to have zero concern for women/girls. It appears you feel they "owe" regardless of their circumstances.
Lol Believe whatever you want, lady. I don't have a damn thing to prove. As the child of a teenage rape victim, I am grateful my momma didn't abort me. As women, we have choices. Not all of them need to end in the murder of innocent life. There is always another way. If you have a problem with any of those statements, you're more fucked up than I thought. In which case, I have nothing more to say to you.
Ocean56

AOL

#49 Mar 6, 2013
01Justsayin wrote:
I am pro life for women, men, and children. And I am against the forcing of any human being against their will. By all means, make your choices. Just be advised of all your options. Murdering an unborn child, who did not get a chance to choose, is not the only way. It may not have been your choice to get pregnant. But why would you punish an unborn child for a sin that they themselves did not commit? Punish the bastard who raped you to begin with. These aren't the dark ages we're living in.
Most women KNOW all their options. They don't need you to "advise" them. EACH woman has the right to decide what to do about a pregnancy, and whatever decision she makes, it is HER decision alone. Whether YOU approve of that decision or not is irrelevant.

If YOU would stay pregnant and give birth to your rapist's offspring, that would be YOUR decision. If such a horrifying crime were ever inflicted on me and a pregnancy resulted, I would NOT continue that pregnancy. See how well CHOICE works?
Ocean56

AOL

#50 Mar 6, 2013
01Justsayin wrote:
Lol Believe whatever you want, lady. I don't have a damn thing to prove. As the child of a teenage rape victim, I am grateful my momma didn't abort me. As women, we have choices. Not all of them need to end in the murder of innocent life. There is always another way. If you have a problem with any of those statements, you're more fucked up than I thought. In which case, I have nothing more to say to you.
That's right, as women we all have choices. Not all women will make the choice YOU approve of. The ONLY person who gets to decide what to do about a pregnancy is the WOMAN who is pregnant. Whatever decision she makes, it is HER decision, and none of your business.

“And the Horse You Rode in On”

Since: Sep 08

Minneapolis

#51 Mar 6, 2013
01Justsayin wrote:
<quoted text>
Lol Believe whatever you want, lady. I don't have a damn thing to prove. As the child of a teenage rape victim, I am grateful my momma didn't abort me. As women, we have choices. Not all of them need to end in the murder of innocent life. There is always another way. If you have a problem with any of those statements, you're more fucked up than I thought. In which case, I have nothing more to say to you.
Nor does a woman/girl who aborts have a damn thing to prove it is her body and her medical decision. You are are grateful for your own life but hardly considerate of the circumstances of pregnancy especially one resulting from rape. An innocent life? You continually use language that suggests the mother/woman/girl is guilty or responsible regardless of any circumstance. You are right there is always another way allowing choice. Without choice there is only one way for a woman/girl. How sad you believe that to be the solution.

I am sorry that your statements were fcked up. I was merely trying to decipher them and understand what ends up as a convoluted argument on your part. Guess I can't blame you for not wanting further discussion. Your contradictions would be difficult to explain.
Ocean56

AOL

#52 Mar 6, 2013
Morgana 9 wrote:
Nor does a woman/girl who aborts have a damn thing to prove; it is her body and her medical decision.
Exactly. Of course, that's what the anti-choice crowd has such an issue with; the WOMAN getting to make her OWN decisions without some man's approval or permission.@@

It's scary how many Republican politicians want to roll back women's reproductive rights by restricting or even eliminating women's access to abortion. I think some of these idiots would go even further and restrict access to contraception as well.

“And the Horse You Rode in On”

Since: Sep 08

Minneapolis

#53 Mar 6, 2013
Ocean56 wrote:
<quoted text>
Exactly. Of course, that's what the anti-choice crowd has such an issue with; the WOMAN getting to make her OWN decisions without some man's approval or permission.@@
It's scary how many Republican politicians want to roll back women's reproductive rights by restricting or even eliminating women's access to abortion. I think some of these idiots would go even further and restrict access to contraception as well.
Agreed Ocean. Contraceptives allow women some control over their reproductive life. The republicans want that control in the name of their fictional man made god (for lack of a better argument).

The most telling is those that would eliminate abortion even to save the life of the mother. They wish to have their say over a woman/girls right to self defense and self protection proving she has no right to either. Control is the only aim.

Since: Jan 13

Location hidden

#54 Mar 6, 2013
Ocean56 wrote:
<quoted text>Most women KNOW all their options. They don't need you to "advise" them. EACH woman has the right to decide what to do about a pregnancy, and whatever decision she makes, it is HER decision alone. Whether YOU approve of that decision or not is irrelevant.

If YOU would stay pregnant and give birth to your rapist's offspring, that would be YOUR decision. If such a horrifying crime were ever inflicted on me and a pregnancy resulted, I would NOT continue that pregnancy. See how well CHOICE works?
Then I'm glad YOU were not MY mom.:)

Since: Jan 13

Location hidden

#55 Mar 6, 2013
Morgana 9 wrote:
<quoted text>Nor does a woman/girl who aborts have a damn thing to prove it is her body and her medical decision. You are are grateful for your own life but hardly considerate of the circumstances of pregnancy especially one resulting from rape. An innocent life? You continually use language that suggests the mother/woman/girl is guilty or responsible regardless of any circumstance. You are right there is always another way allowing choice. Without choice there is only one way for a woman/girl. How sad you believe that to be the solution.

I am sorry that your statements were fcked up. I was merely trying to decipher them and understand what ends up as a convoluted argument on your part. Guess I can't blame you for not wanting further discussion. Your contradictions would be difficult to explain.
I'm not the one who's f**ked up around here. That would be you, stalker. Moving on.

“searching myself”

Since: Sep 09

In Charming CA

#56 Mar 6, 2013
Susanm wrote:
"HB 57 mandates that an Alabama-licensed physician with staff privileges at an acute care hospital be present at all clinic abortions. It would also require clinics to provide patients the name and telephone number of a physician who will provide care in the event of post-procedure complications."
This is a reasonable requirement.
" the bill would not allow physicians who work in abortion clinics to have written contracts with other physicians for hospital care of patients with complications—it would require them instead to have personal privileges at the local hospital. This is entirely against the current standard of care in medicine, which allows for safe transition of care between physicians and licenses physicians within a state, not within a single community. You may not be aware that hospital privileges require physicians to share call coverage duties for that hospital year round and are not just limited to care of a physician’s personal patients. They also require physicians to live within close driving distance of the hospital. If physicians could only treat patients in locations where they have hospital privileges, it would put an end to provision of pediatric, obstetric, family medicine and specialty care in rural areas by physicians traveling from the cities where they live. Also, community physicians increasingly contract with hospitalists to care for their patients in the hospital and assume call duties. This allows patients to receive timely outpatient services and have expert hospital care by physicians who specialize in hospital medicine. I recommend that for safety reasons, you continue allowing all patients to receive standard of care physician coverage and let the Alabama Board of Medical Examiners continue to monitor the qualifications of physicians to practice within their licenses. After reviewing this bill, I can tell you as a physician that it will neither increase patient safety nor reduce abortion. Our state can work to decrease unwanted pregnancies without misapplication of fire codes, sedation protocols and physician licensure." -Dr. Pippa Abston

I'm thinking maybe an Alabama Obstetrician MIGHT know a little bit more about 'reasonable requirements', for clinics where obstetric procedures are performed, than you do, Sue.

“searching myself”

Since: Sep 09

In Charming CA

#57 Mar 6, 2013
01Justsayin wrote:
<quoted text>
Then I'm glad YOU were not MY mom.:)
I'm glad I didn't need your approval to choose whether or not to take the risk of allowing a pregnancy to kill me. You would likely have insisted I attempt to gestate my ectopic pregnancy, at the probable cost of both its life and mine, in an attempt to make me conform to your belief system.

I'll pass.

Since: Jan 13

Location hidden

#58 Mar 6, 2013
shovelhead72 wrote:
<quoted text>I'm glad I didn't need your approval to choose whether or not to take the risk of allowing a pregnancy to kill me. You would likely have insisted I attempt to gestate my ectopic pregnancy, at the probable cost of both its life and mine, in an attempt to make me conform to your belief system.

I'll pass.
By all means, continue on non-comforming. More power to ya. To each their own. Just don't presume to impose your own opinions or beliefs upon those of us who do not share it. How incredibly arrogant is that? From a very personal standpoint, I'm glad my momma didn't abort me. I thank my lucky stars each and every time I get to hug my own sweet babies. Your momma was also pro life, darlin.
Ink

Philadelphia, PA

#59 Mar 6, 2013
ThomasA wrote:
<quoted text> Like it or not,the choice is still the mother's, not your's. How do you expect people to accept your personal beliefs if you won't accept their's. It works both ways.
How do you in good conscience accept the death of a baby simply because his mother wants her dead?
Ink

Philadelphia, PA

#60 Mar 6, 2013
Ocean56 wrote:
<quoted text>
That's right, as women we all have choices. Not all women will make the choice YOU approve of. The ONLY person who gets to decide what to do about a pregnancy is the WOMAN who is pregnant. Whatever decision she makes, it is HER decision, and none of your business.
I don't think it is even about choice. It is about having the power to take another's life.

I think most of yopu would like to kill the guy but you can't so you kill the child instead.

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