Amnesty Advocates Shamelessly Embellish on a Tragedy for Political Gain

Dec 5, 2011 | Posted by: Agent of Chaos | Full story: immigrationreform.com

The suicide of 18-year-old Joaquin Luna in Mission, Texas, over the Thanksgiving holiday is a sad and senseless tragedy. Exploiting the suicide of a teenager for political gain is shameful. Embellishing on what a distraught young man wrote in his suicide note in order to create a martyr for you cause is nothing short of reprehensible. Yet, that is precisely what illegal alien advocacy groups, and even a member of Congress, have done since Luna took his own life.

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Turned out the story was a hoax. No one knows why the criminal parasite killed himself. Who cares anyway?
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Amnesty is the solution to preventing children from committing suicide.
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Amnesty is the solution to world hunger.
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Amnesty helps families in Mexico.
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I believe the suicide was based on the fact he, like many kids do, failed an entrance exam as his suicide note states. For the sake of argument if it was his illegal status who is to blame for breaking U.S. law by bringing him across the border? Answer that question and you'll is responsible for his death. We do not change our laws to satisfy law breakers. He got free school, food, medical care and a life far above what he would have had in Mexico. No sorrow from me; U.S. owes him nothing and we certainly don't change our laws to help him out.
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Si Se Puede wrote:
Amnesty is the solution to preventing children from committing suicide.
His parents created this situation. WE OWE HIM NOTHING. He killed himself because he couldn't manage to pass the entrance exam for becoming an engineer. His letter said nothing about his immigration status. We do not owe anyone amnesty. Break the law and hang around until people feel sorry for you. I BLAME HIS PARENTS. Just because you like my "house" because it's nicer and you find an "unlocked" door it gave his family no right to come and stay nor should we change our laws now that they are here .
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Si Se Puede wrote:
Amnesty is the solution to preventing children from committing suicide.
BETTER PARENTING helps children! Not hand outs!
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Amnesty would save lives.

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Si Se Puede wrote:
Amnesty is the solution to preventing children from committing suicide.
Ummmm...no! His criminal parents should've have brought him here illegally in the first place and then this wouldn't be an issue.

All you morons want to do is place blame on someone else, rather than on the person/people who caused the situation in the first place. Typical of your type. Start accepting responsibility for your actions.

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Si Se Puede wrote:
Amnesty helps families in Mexico.
Got that right. And it hurts taxpayers in america.
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Si Se Puede wrote:
Amnesty is the solution to world hunger.
We can solve world no more than U could take all hungry folks in the U.S. into my home. It's our responsibility I feed all the people of the world.

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katie wrote:
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We can solve world no more than U could take all hungry folks in the U.S. into my home. It's our responsibility I feed all the people of the world.
Huh? What are you trying to say here? This makes very little sense.
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American voters must be among the most ignorant voters in the world. They keep voting in Republicans or Democrats who are bank rolled by the same elite who have been tag-team raping them for years.

They can't see that the same 1% who rape them are the same 1% who rape the undocument­ed.

Failed immigratio­n is created and designed by the elite who run both government­s. This is no different than failed mortgages, failed health care, loss of jobs, and our failing economy. This insidious 1% causes these failures because they profit at the expense of both the US taxpayers and the Mexican undocument­ed.

Are American voters really so propagandi­zed that they can't figure out why not one single U.S. politician criticizes the Mexican government for anything? The undocument­ed would not come or stay here if that filthy, corrupt co-trading partner of the American elite would take care of its own citizens. The majority of undocument­ed care deeply about their families and would stay at home if they could make a decent living wage working with their families.

Its about bi-nationa­l drug profits, trade, oil, remittance­s, the privatizat­ion of prisons, cheap labor, weapons profit, NAFTA, and a 40 year long political platform that only sways back and forth, and never forward.

I invite OWS to embrace the undocument­ed who are protesting­. Shame on both these pitiful government­s who fail to address the immigratio­n nightmare that they profit from.

http://twopesos-protestfortheundocumented.blo...

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I read cop-out after cop-out everyday. Blame everything on the government. Um, we, the citizens, are the government, or atleast cause it. There are plenty of things we can do as individuals, without breaking any laws, that would combat any organized groups. Nobody can tell me who I have to deal with in business or my personal affairs. If I make it my business not to deal with certain individuals that's my choice. Same thing as far as my money is concerned, I dont have to support anyone other than myself and family....We are the ones to make the choices that we live or die by. Individual freedoms can only be achieved by the right individual choices.
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My heart aches for all of you, legal,illegal ect.. I pray that god may have mercy on your souls come judgment day. Always seem to be worried so much about what you think someone is taking from you and never a word of sympathy nor understanding for your fellow human and please let me just emphasize that they may not be citizens but they are americans just the same and most importantly they are human, we all put or pants on the same way. Perhaps one day the good lord will turn the tables and allow for you all ta feel and be treated in this same manner. I really do feel sorry for you. I'm just glad that when that big fat karma train comes round my address won't be on the list.

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My heart aches for all of you, legal,illegal ect.. I pray that god may have mercy on your souls come judgment day. Always seem to be worried so much about what you think someone is taking from you and never a word of sympathy nor understanding for your fellow human and please let me just emphasize that they may not be citizens but they are americans just the same and most importantly they are human, we all put or pants on the same way. Perhaps one day the good lord will turn the tables and allow for you all ta feel and be treated in this same manner. I really do feel sorry for you. I'm just glad that when that big fat karma train comes round my address won't be on the list.
No, we are not all Americans. We are all NORTH Americans, but only the citizens of the United States are called Americans. The citizens of Mexico are called Mexicans and the citizens of Canada are called Canadians.

God does NOT believe in illegal immigration. That is a fact. Those illegals will have to answer for the crimes to God, as well as to our country. There is NO good reason to break the law. Many bank robbers and other thieves might do so to have a better life, but it doesn't make it right and we don't overlook it. Illegal aliens are not some special breed that deserve special anything.

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http://www.cis.org/bible-use-and-abuse-immigr...

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The very positive statements about the treatment of strangers in the Bible, some of which were already quoted, show compassion for the alien in ancient Israel. The defenders of illegal aliens point to these passages as the rationale for rewriting current laws. The problem is that they make a simplistic correlation between the ancient Israelite social law and the modern situation as if the Bible was addressing the same problem. Three important questions must be raised before one attempts to apply Israelite law to the modern situation: 1) Was there such a thing as territorial sovereignty in the second millennium B.C. when these laws originated; 2) Within that socio-legal setting, what was a “stranger” or “sojourner;” and 3) How does one obtain this status?

Regarding the first, the answer is unequivocal. Nations small and large had clearly recognizable borders, typically demarcated by natural features such as rivers, valleys, and mountain ranges, much as they are today. Warring Egyptian Pharaohs often claimed that they went on campaigns to widen or extend Egypt’s borders. Wars were fought over where boundary lines would be drawn, and forts were strategically placed on frontiers to defend the territory and to monitor movements of pastoralists. Permits akin to the modern visa were issued to people entering another land. In the tomb of Khnumhotep, governor of central Egypt (from ca. 1865 B.C.), a band of foreign travelers are shown before the governor. An official presents him with a permit or visa, which spells out that there were 37 people from Syria-Canaan. At the key entry points of Egypt, forts would have issued such entry permits. Recent excavations in north Sinai have revealed a pair of such forts at Tell Hebua, located less than two miles east of the Suez Canal. Three miles southeast of the second Hebua fort is Tell el-Borg where I directed excavations between 1999 and 2008. There we uncovered two forts that guarded the road to Egypt between 1450 and 1200 B.C. The ancient Egyptians were very careful about who they allowed into Egypt.

The Israelites were well aware of the need to respect territorial sovereignty. After the exodus from Egypt, Moses and the Hebrews lived a nomadic existence for 40 years in Sinai. Since no country, not even Egypt in those days, claimed hegemony over the peninsula, the Hebrews could move freely and required no permission. But when they left Sinai, they needed to pass through Edom in southern Jordan, and permission of the host nation was necessary, as Numbers 20:14-21 reports:
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You can read the rest for yourself. It clearly shows that God and Jesus do not support illegal aliens, and they *do* support laws.

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Matthew 22 and Romans 13 make it pretty clear that we are not to violate the laws that govern our society.

In Luke 20:25, the phrase, "Give unto Caesar what is Caesar's" is attributed to Jesus. He was talking about tax law; the quote is used as an example of how Christians should submit to secular authority.

Romans 13:1-7 states:“Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and he will commend you. For he is God’s servant to do you good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword for nothing. He is God’s servant, an agent of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer.

Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also because of conscience. This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God’s servants, who give their full time to governing. Give everyone what you owe him: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.”

That passage makes it abundantly clear. We are to obey the government God places over us. God created government to establish order, punish evil, and promote justice (Genesis 9:6; 1 Corinthians 14:33; Romans 12:8). We are to obey the government in everything - paying taxes, obeying rules and laws, showing respect, etc. If we do not, we are ultimately showing disrespect towards God, for He is the One who placed that government over us. When the Apostle Paul wrote Romans 13:1-7, he was under the government of Rome, during the reign of Nero, perhaps that most evil of all the Roman Emperors. Paul still recognized that government’s rule over him. How can we do any less?

Romans 13:1-7 makes it abundantly clear that God expects us to obey the laws of the government. The ONLY exception to this is when a law of the government forces you to disobey a command of God (Acts 5:29). Illegal immigration is the breaking of a governmental law. There is nothing in Scripture that would contradict with obeying immigration laws. Therefore, it is a sin, rebellion against God, to illegally immigrate into another country. Romans 13:1-7 also gives the government the authority to punish lawbreakers, whether it be by deportation or imprisonment (in the cases of illegal immigration), or more severe penalties for greater crimes.

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The vast majority of illegal aliens in the United States have immigrated for the purpose of having a better life, providing for their families, and escaping from poverty. These are good goals and motivations. However, these reasons do not give a person the right to break a law. Those seeking to immigrate to the United States (or any other country), should obey the immigration laws of that country. While this will cause delays and frustrations, again, these reasons do not give a person the right to break a law.

"Amen, amen I say to you: He that enter not by the door into the sheepfold, but climb up another way, the same is a thief and a robber." (John 10:1)

John 10
Parable of the Good Shepherd
1"Truly, truly, I say to you, he who does not enter by the door into the fold of the sheep, but climbs up some other way, he is (A)a thief and a robber.

Because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold.(Matthew 24:12)

Thou shalt not steal

Thou shalt not covet

Thou shalt not covet anything that is thy neighbor's

LOL! They're gonna fry in their hell.

How many illegal aliens are in Heaven? How many people who are in hell get to march there demanding their 'rights' from God or try to scream that there's nothing illegal in being human to it's face.

Guess we know how God feels about illegal aliens, huh?

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senseless jerks wrote:
My heart aches for all of you, legal,illegal ect.. I pray that god may have mercy on your souls come judgment day. Always seem to be worried so much about what you think someone is taking from you and never a word of sympathy nor understanding for your fellow human and please let me just emphasize that they may not be citizens but they are americans just the same and most importantly they are human, we all put or pants on the same way. Perhaps one day the good lord will turn the tables and allow for you all ta feel and be treated in this same manner. I really do feel sorry for you. I'm just glad that when that big fat karma train comes round my address won't be on the list.
These citizens that you speak of are citizens of other countries, most to the south of the U.S. Border, so how in the hell can they be American? They are NOT, but citizens of their own 3rd world countries and are considered illegal alien invaders NOT American Citizens at all!! Perhaps if you learned the difference you could have mercy for the 5,000 American Citizens that die each year at the hands of these illegal parasites. These people that you speak of so endearingly are here by the 10's of millions and are being supported by American Citizens that pay for births of their illegal child, their healthcare, housing, food, education and much more to the tune of more than $338 billions dollars last year alone. I am sick of them and people like you that support them. I will do what ever it takes to turn the tides against them and your ilk. I have no sympathy for them at all!! Maybe I'll see you in Hell, if that what it takes!!

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