State Shutdown Would Freeze DNR, Clos...

State Shutdown Would Freeze DNR, Close State Parks

There are 63 comments on the Patch.com story from Jun 24, 2011, titled State Shutdown Would Freeze DNR, Close State Parks. In it, Patch.com reports that:

A shutdown of state government would suspend virtually all services and divisions within Minnesota's Department of Natural Resources.

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John

Los Angeles, CA

#1 Jun 24, 2011
Oh my! Without the DNR, how will tree be able to grow?

“I am always right.”

Since: Oct 09

Former MN Taxpayer

#2 Jun 24, 2011
John wrote:
Oh my! Without the DNR, how will tree be able to grow?
I am hopeful that the result of the pending shut down will be citizens realizing that we have a minimum of 30% too many State employees.

However, you can bet your last dollar that the Dems and Gov GoofyEyes will try to make the pain so significant for the Average Joe that we will never question the need for increasing taxes again.

Old folks will go without medical care but Gov GoofyEyes gardener and chef will be kept working as "Essential" employees.
Dont need the DNR

Minneapolis, MN

#3 Jun 24, 2011
Democrat Tom Rukavina Virginia feels the DNR should be cut in half.

Rukavina was running for Gov but didn't make the cut, he doesn't constant growth in Government.

Furthmore Minnesota Counties submitted a plan last year to cut the Minnesota State Patrol in half. The counties would easily pick up the slack.

You see the Troopers don't patrol the third shift anyway. That is correct, Troopers don't work the third shift. When a serious wreck occurs the County deputies must call a Trooper and wake them up, they need their beauty rest you know.

SHUT THE DNR DOWN!!!

All state property is public property anyway and if you want to camp out just use the public property, the State Parks.

Since: May 11

Burnsville, MN

#4 Jun 24, 2011
IrishMN wrote:
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I am hopeful that the result of the pending shut down will be citizens realizing that we have a minimum of 30% too many State employees.
However, you can bet your last dollar that the Dems and Gov GoofyEyes will try to make the pain so significant for the Average Joe that we will never question the need for increasing taxes again.
Old folks will go without medical care but Gov GoofyEyes gardener and chef will be kept working as "Essential" employees.
last time i checked minnesota was ranked 38th as far as state employees per capata. what difference is it between the republicans paying their staffs and gov dayton?? why do you get on his back and not theirs?? hypocrite??
steve

Acworth, GA

#5 Jun 24, 2011
they closed down my state park in this other state I used to live for a couple years and it was better, way more private, unmowed, I grew weed there and no one went there.

“I am always right.”

Since: Oct 09

Former MN Taxpayer

#6 Jun 24, 2011
Snake Dr wrote:
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last time i checked minnesota was ranked 38th as far as state employees per capata. what difference is it between the republicans paying their staffs and gov dayton?? why do you get on his back and not theirs?? hypocrite??
I have been screaming that the weenies in the Republican Party have no backbone. The budget should be $28 Billion, not $34 Billion.

As for staffing...I do think that Kurt Zellers and Amy Koch both ought to temporarily have their State Gardener and State Chef be deemed as non-essential employees and laid off during the shut-down.

Are you happy now?
steve

Acworth, GA

#7 Jun 24, 2011
if state parks were closed the homeless could move in and grow food. wouldn't that be better than today?

“I am always right.”

Since: Oct 09

Former MN Taxpayer

#8 Jun 24, 2011
Snake Dr wrote:
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last time i checked minnesota was ranked 38th as far as state employees per capata.
Ranked 38th is a meaningless statistic.

Do we have too many non-essential employees? YES!

Example: I know of a person on the Hennepin County payroll who supervises three supervisors. Each of the supervisors supervise three employees. This person makes over $112,000 plus an excellent benefits and retirement program.

The job function? Manage three supervisors who each oversee three employees.

Come on...tell me how critical that person is to the operations of the County.

This is the same structure that is seen in State Government. There are hidden managers and supervisors up the wazoo that are not necessary to anything.

Get rid of them.

Since: Jan 11

Oakland, CA

#9 Jun 24, 2011
It is sad that people are so goverment institutionalized that they cannot comprehend survivng without the govt welfare job employees telling them how to live, what a sad way to exist. Grow up, grow a pair, and make yourself friggin usefull, shut the pigs down.
Dank Nads

Saint Paul, MN

#10 Jun 24, 2011
IrishMN wrote:
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Ranked 38th is a meaningless statistic.
Do we have too many non-essential employees? YES!
Example: I know of a person on the Hennepin County payroll who supervises three supervisors. Each of the supervisors supervise three employees. This person makes over $112,000 plus an excellent benefits and retirement program.
The job function? Manage three supervisors who each oversee three employees.
Come on...tell me how critical that person is to the operations of the County.
This is the same structure that is seen in State Government. There are hidden managers and supervisors up the wazoo that are not necessary to anything.
Get rid of them.
Ranked 38th is a "meaningless statistic" but "I know of a guy" is hard hitting evidence huh? Have another cup-o-joe.

“I am always right.”

Since: Oct 09

Former MN Taxpayer

#11 Jun 24, 2011
Dank Nads wrote:
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Ranked 38th is a "meaningless statistic" but "I know of a guy" is hard hitting evidence huh? Have another cup-o-joe.
You think I am going to name this person on Topix?

Being ranked 38th means nothing.

If MN was ranked 49th but still had 30% too many employees, we should fix the problem.

“I am always right.”

Since: Oct 09

Former MN Taxpayer

#12 Jun 24, 2011
Dank Nads wrote:
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Ranked 38th is a "meaningless statistic" but "I know of a guy" is hard hitting evidence huh? Have another cup-o-joe.
A follow-up:

Is it your position that what I wrote is not true within the structure of Hennepin County and/or the State of Minnesota?

Are you saying there are not supervisors whose only duty is to oversee three others who happen to supervise three other people?

If so, let's meet in front of the Hennepin County Government Center and then walk through the facility for about an hour. It is a real eye opener. I guarantee you will enjoy the visit.
Dank Nads

Saint Paul, MN

#13 Jun 24, 2011
IrishMN wrote:
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A follow-up:
Is it your position that what I wrote is not true within the structure of Hennepin County and/or the State of Minnesota?
Are you saying there are not supervisors whose only duty is to oversee three others who happen to supervise three other people?
If so, let's meet in front of the Hennepin County Government Center and then walk through the facility for about an hour. It is a real eye opener. I guarantee you will enjoy the visit.
It is not my position that no such situation exists. I don't know what they do so it's tough to judge.

It is my position that most of the low hanging fruit has been picked. Our ranking of 38th fewest state workers per capita does mean something and reflects that. It shouldn't be a race to the bottom. Mississippi is not a nice state to live in.

I am flattered by your kind offer to meet but I'm not into internet dating.
AntiMelting

Saint Paul, MN

#14 Jun 24, 2011
Dank Nads wrote:
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It is not my position that no such situation exists. I don't know what they do so it's tough to judge.
It is my position that most of the low hanging fruit has been picked. Our ranking of 38th fewest state workers per capita does mean something and reflects that. It shouldn't be a race to the bottom. Mississippi is not a nice state to live in.
I am flattered by your kind offer to meet but I'm not into internet dating.
You can't handle the truth! Wow, a gay joke?
Mary

United States

#15 Jun 24, 2011
I am pleased that you believe that it is not the Real State Employees (read AFSCME and MAPE) that are overstaffed but rather too many supervisors and managers. Of note is that many of these "extra's" were "placed" by the previous administration due to their failure to be re-elected. Now this wasteful former Governor is running for higher office????
IrishMN wrote:
<quoted text>
A follow-up:
Is it your position that what I wrote is not true within the structure of Hennepin County and/or the State of Minnesota?
Are you saying there are not supervisors whose only duty is to oversee three others who happen to supervise three other people?
If so, let's meet in front of the Hennepin County Government Center and then walk through the facility for about an hour. It is a real eye opener. I guarantee you will enjoy the visit.
Mismanagement

Long Lake, MN

#16 Jun 24, 2011
IrishMN wrote:
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Ranked 38th is a meaningless statistic.
Do we have too many non-essential employees? YES!
Example: I know of a person on the Hennepin County payroll who supervises three supervisors. Each of the supervisors supervise three employees. This person makes over $112,000 plus an excellent benefits and retirement program.
The job function? Manage three supervisors who each oversee three employees.
Come on...tell me how critical that person is to the operations of the County.
This is the same structure that is seen in State Government. There are hidden managers and supervisors up the wazoo that are not necessary to anything.
Get rid of them.
Used to work for a small company. It was bought by a BIG company. One of the actions took with the small company was to implement "Span of Control".

The change limited the minimum staff reporting to a supervisor/manager/director was 6. Once the policy was complete there was a fair number of managers who were not needed.

However Government is so poorly managed this type of reform will NEVER OCCUR!
Adam

Blue Bell, PA

#17 Jun 24, 2011
Dank Nads wrote:
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...It is my position that most of the low hanging fruit has been picked...
Are you crazy?

“I am always right.”

Since: Oct 09

Former MN Taxpayer

#18 Jun 24, 2011
Mary wrote:
I am pleased that you believe that it is not the Real State Employees (read AFSCME and MAPE) that are overstaffed but rather too many supervisors and managers. Of note is that many of these "extra's" were "placed" by the previous administration due to their failure to be re-elected. Now this wasteful former Governor is running for higher office????
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Mary, I am no fan of public sector unions. I believe they are incestuous with their purpose and should be abolished.

That said, the front line workers are not the issue with State payrolls. It is the thousands of people milking the system that provide nothing in the way of public service that are the problem.

Your comments on T-Paw are right on target. He did game the system with many of his favored employees.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#19 Jun 24, 2011
Anyone want to take a bet as to whether the legislators' per diems are still paid when the gov't is shut down?
goose

Carol Stream, IL

#20 Jun 24, 2011
IrishMN wrote:
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Mary, I am no fan of public sector unions. I believe they are incestuous with their purpose and should be abolished.
That said, the front line workers are not the issue with State payrolls. It is the thousands of people milking the system that provide nothing in the way of public service that are the problem.
Your comments on T-Paw are right on target. He did game the system with many of his favored employees.
agreed other than what should government be providing? Status quo is what got us here.
We have a spending problem not a revenue problem!

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