Developer Jerry Trooien -- A vision g...

Developer Jerry Trooien -- A vision gone bust

There are 27 comments on the TwinCities.com story from Feb 5, 2011, titled Developer Jerry Trooien -- A vision gone bust. In it, TwinCities.com reports that:

Jerry Trooien's eighth-floor offices along St. Paul's riverfront offer a sweeping view of the city's West Side.

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Bill Hosko - Saint Paul

Hopkins, MN

#25 Feb 8, 2011
spectre000 wrote:
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Trooien was asking for $100 MIllION in TIF to help finance it. That was insane. The taxpayers would've been left with the bill and would take 20+ years to pay off. No thanks. I love that Trooien has big dreams, and hope we get another big proposal in the future that makes better financial sense.
The City Council did not take up his financing request, that would have been argued over later, what Mr trooien needed first was a zoning change. Saint Paul's leadership said no. The five story US Bank suburban complex and their lovely parking ramp over there is what was considered appropriate... and now we may have a five story apartment building with a design most suburbs would toss at the other prime intersection of Wabasha and Filmore... Saint Paul deserves better than this....
As far as needing another Big Proposal... well you are going to get it, and it will be called Central Corridor Light Rail Transit... what Saint Paul is going to be taken for with it for generations to come pales to your assertion of the damage the Bridges of Saint Paul proposal would have done to the city.
Bill Hosko - Saint Paul

Hopkins, MN

#26 Feb 8, 2011
spectre000 wrote:
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Do you have proof of that allegation?
Either way, there was no chance MAC was going to permit a 30 story hotel that close to the airport.
If one looks at the actual height of downtown structures, eleven other buildings including the top of the cathedral would have had an elevation the same, or higher, than the proposed Westin Hotel... Only Saint Paul, Minnesota would have treated a Westin like a Motel Six. The FAA had no problems with its height. Its planned location was actually less of a threat to jet traffic than the 46 story and 32 Galtier Towers.
Bill Hosko - Saint Paul

Hopkins, MN

#27 Feb 8, 2011
If one looks at the actual height of downtown structures, eleven other buildings including the top of the cathedral would have had an elevation the same, or higher, than the proposed Westin Hotel... Only Saint Paul, Minnesota would have treated a Westin like a Motel Six. The FAA had no problems with its height. Its planned location was actually less of a threat to jet traffic than the 46 and 32 story Galtier Towers.

Since: Dec 09

Saint Paul, MN

#28 Feb 8, 2011
Bill Hosko - Saint Paul wrote:
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If one looks at the actual height of downtown structures, eleven other buildings including the top of the cathedral would have had an elevation the same, or higher, than the proposed Westin Hotel... Only Saint Paul, Minnesota would have treated a Westin like a Motel Six. The FAA had no problems with its height. Its planned location was actually less of a threat to jet traffic than the 46 story and 32 Galtier Towers.
I really find that hard to believe the FAA had no problem with the height. The other buildings you mention like the Cathedral are no where near MAC's flight paths. I know the Jackson tower is in an area that has a height limit of 452 feet (Jackson Tower just fitting under that). I read an article in the Highland Villager that MAC is limiting the height of the proposed Lowertown ballpark (which probably wouldn't be any higher than a 100-150 feet tall). I just can't believe a 300+ ft tall hotel was going to "fly" so close to downtown St. Paul's airport.

The subject is academic at this point anyway. It isn't being built. And I'm glad. If it were, build it in downtown proper. Cleveland Circle needs redevelopment badly, and a 30-story hotel would do nicely. A lot better than another hockey ring.
Bill Hosko - Saint Paul

Hopkins, MN

#29 Feb 8, 2011
spectre000 wrote:
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I really find that hard to believe the FAA had no problem with the height. The other buildings you mention like the Cathedral are no where near MAC's flight paths. I know the Jackson tower is in an area that has a height limit of 452 feet (Jackson Tower just fitting under that). I read an article in the Highland Villager that MAC is limiting the height of the proposed Lowertown ballpark (which probably wouldn't be any higher than a 100-150 feet tall). I just can't believe a 300+ ft tall hotel was going to "fly" so close to downtown St. Paul's airport.
The subject is academic at this point anyway. It isn't being built. And I'm glad. If it were, build it in downtown proper. Cleveland Circle needs redevelopment badly, and a 30-story hotel would do nicely. A lot better than another hockey ring.
Well now, not so fast... The Mississippi River should be the heart of downtown proper, not the edge of it, and only this in season.

If one looks at the runway directions of the downtown airport they would understand that for a fact the proposed Westin was less of an item to the downtown airport that Galtier's Towers; such beautiful buildings they are. Too many people over the years have crabbed about them being too tall. The make excellent gateway structures for Lowertown.

I have no doubt that the majority of Saint Paul's population would rather see a variety of building heights on the West Side Flats then a sea of four and five story buildings. Around its perimeter: five, six and seven story buildings with higher buildings flanking Filmore near Robert and Wabasha, then lower stair-stepped ones down to the river would ideally help sculpt an idyllic future skyline. The massing of the Bridges proposal was near perfect.

For memory sake folks look up the BridgesofSaintPaul.com . Perhaps we can yet see a semblance of this plan someday. Within one of the conservatories should be 'Janice's Garden'; named after Jerry's Wife.

I wish Mr. Trooien and his great kids the best. They will survive this difficult time. Saint Paul has not seen the last of this man. Peace.
PVJJA

Happy Valley, OR

#30 Feb 11, 2011
I am saddened by this, His home in Brainerd was one of his late wife's favorite spots. I have nothing but respect for Jerry he is a GREAT guy I pray he comes out of this if not for himself for HIS CHILDREN!
Bonnie

Saint Paul, MN

#31 Feb 18, 2011
I wish him well and hope that they decide to work with him rather than force him to liquidate his property in a horrible real estate market. What sense would that make? Who's going to buy it and return any more to the creditors than Mr Trooien can himself?

I am not sure e-boogers is talking about. I don't look down on anyone that is unemployed and neither has this country that has extended the unemployment benefits a couple of times because we all know that it is tough to find employment. We know that you aren't sitting around and waiting for things to get better, you are out there trying to get yourself back on your feet. It seems that Mr Trooien is not asking for anything more. He will continue to work hard and bring his businesses back to the levels that they once were. But he has to be given a chance to do this and when he does, lots of the people on unemployment will benefit from his recovery also because it is people like him that can bring back some jobs.

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