A question for the Libs

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“The one and only Smart Liberal”

Since: Aug 12

Former MN Tax Payer

#1 Feb 28, 2013
I ran across the following quote in an article talking about the SEIU and the so-called strike they held yesterday.

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"Going on strike is a huge sacrifice—none of us want to do this,” Kevin Chavis, a security officer subcontracted by AlliedBarton for the Wells Fargo Center in downtown Minneapolis, said in a statement.“But it feels like if we don’t act, there’s not going to be any middle class left. All Minnesotans need fair wages..."

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I do wish Mr. Chavis was posting on Topix, but since I don't believe he is, I will the following question of the Libs on Topix:

Just what is a "fair wage" for someone sitting on their ass al day long, watching CCTV monitors, and looking at people sign their names into Visitor Log books?

Is it $8 per hour?$10 per hour? Or would it even be $12 per hour?
Rob

Saint Paul, MN

#2 Feb 28, 2013
If it's such a worthless position why have them at all Irish? Why do they exist?

Since: Sep 11

Rogers, MN

#3 Feb 28, 2013
Rob wrote:
If it's such a worthless position why have them at all Irish? Why do they exist?
They are a holdover from soon to be bygone days. They too can, and will eventually be, replaced by machines in most cases. Security cameras could be monitored remotely, robots could patrol the corridors and check doors.
Bushwhacker

Seattle, WA

#4 Feb 28, 2013
Smart Liberal wrote:
I ran across the following quote in an article talking about the SEIU and the so-called strike they held yesterday.
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"Going on strike is a huge sacrifice—none of us want to do this,” Kevin Chavis, a security officer subcontracted by AlliedBarton for the Wells Fargo Center in downtown Minneapolis, said in a statement.“But it feels like if we don’t act, there’s not going to be any middle class left. All Minnesotans need fair wages..."
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I do wish Mr. Chavis was posting on Topix, but since I don't believe he is, I will the following question of the Libs on Topix:
Just what is a "fair wage" for someone sitting on their ass al day long, watching CCTV monitors, and looking at people sign their names into Visitor Log books?
Is it $8 per hour?$10 per hour? Or would it even be $12 per hour?
What's a fair wage, for a guy who "worked" 2 hours and 15 minutes, before SHE ran away ??? Btw- Pretend you've described a job, you don't have, it's as "intelligent" as your usual...
redeemer

Minneapolis, MN

#5 Feb 28, 2013
cantmakeitup wrote:
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They are a holdover from soon to be bygone days. They too can, and will eventually be, replaced by machines in most cases. Security cameras could be monitored remotely, robots could patrol the corridors and check doors.
that's rhe DUMBEST post ever
written on topix,even by a low information voter! pityful

“The one and only Smart Liberal”

Since: Aug 12

Former MN Tax Payer

#6 Feb 28, 2013
Come on Libs. Is that the best you can do when asked a specific question? You can not even offer an honest answer.

WTF are you afraid of? Answer the damned question.

Just what is a "fair wage" for someone sitting on their ass all day long, watching CCTV monitors, and looking at people sign their names into Visitor Log books?

Is it $8 per hour?$10 per hour? Or would it even be $12 per hour?

Obviously, these highly trained and highly educated individuals are worth more than minimum wage, aren't they?

How much is a "fair wage" for that job?
redeemer

Minneapolis, MN

#7 Feb 28, 2013
Smart Liberal wrote:
Come on Libs. Is that the best you can do when asked a specific question? You can not even offer an honest answer.
WTF are you afraid of? Answer the damned question.
Just what is a "fair wage" for someone sitting on their ass all day long, watching CCTV monitors, and looking at people sign their names into Visitor Log books?
Is it $8 per hour?$10 per hour? Or would it even be $12 per hour?
Obviously, these highly trained and highly educated individuals are worth more than minimum wage, aren't they?
How much is a "fair wage" for that job?
how you answer a question to your own foolish post? what is the value of a security guard life? since they are risken their life
every hour on duty? what do you think HONESTLY they should get paid? also liar sexurity officers do more than watch visitor's sign
a log book.

“The one and only Smart Liberal”

Since: Aug 12

Former MN Tax Payer

#8 Feb 28, 2013
cantmakeitup wrote:
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They are a holdover from soon to be bygone days. They too can, and will eventually be, replaced by machines in most cases. Security cameras could be monitored remotely, robots could patrol the corridors and check doors.
redeemer wrote:
<quoted text>that's rhe DUMBEST post ever
written on topix,even by a low information voter! pityful
Redeemer, not it is not.

I was recently in a facility that makes antennas and electronic equipment for nuclear submarines for the US Navy. They did not have a security guard at their entry gate.

You put your business card and your drivers license or passport onto a piece of glass that scans both of them. They then search their database to see if you are a return visitor or not. If you are in the system, and are on the calendar for the personnel there, you are allowed entry.

If you are not in the system already, you receive a number of documents that you have to provide information on, and you sign a number of declarations. You then are directed by a computerized voice to a monitor in another part of the entry way to review a video of their safety procedures. Upon completion of the video, you are given a test on a touch screen monitor to insure you fully understand those same safety procedures.

After completion of the safety testing, you are directed to an "interview area" where you are photographed and fingerprinted before being allowed into the facility waiting room to stay until your military escort arrives.

All of this is done without human interaction. In other words, it is done with robots and computers.

This is the future of controlled entrance into a secure facility without security guards.

I wonder if the SEIU is trying to unionize the computers at that site?

“The one and only Smart Liberal”

Since: Aug 12

Former MN Tax Payer

#9 Feb 28, 2013
redeemer wrote:
<quoted text>
how you answer a question to your own foolish post? what is the value of a security guard life? since they are risken their life
every hour on duty? what do you think HONESTLY they should get paid? also liar sexurity officers do more than watch visitor's sign
a log book.
What do they do that puts their lives at risk? Is their job more risky than driving your car on the freeway or running in a marathon? If so, how risky is it?

What do you consider a "fair wage" for that job?

Quit dancing and answer the question about how much they should be paid. It isn't that tough, even for a fake black guy.
redeemer

Minneapolis, MN

#10 Feb 28, 2013
Smart Liberal wrote:
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Redeemer, not it is not.
I was recently in a facility that makes antennas and electronic equipment for nuclear submarines for the US Navy. They did not have a security guard at their entry gate.
You put your business card and your drivers license or passport onto a piece of glass that scans both of them. They then search their database to see if you are a return visitor or not. If you are in the system, and are on the calendar for the personnel there, you are allowed entry.
If you are not in the system already, you receive a number of documents that you have to provide information on, and you sign a number of declarations. You then are directed by a computerized voice to a monitor in another part of the entry way to review a video of their safety procedures. Upon completion of the video, you are given a test on a touch screen monitor to insure you fully understand those same safety procedures.
After completion of the safety testing, you are directed to an "interview area" where you are photographed and fingerprinted before being allowed into the facility waiting room to stay until your military escort arrives.
All of this is done without human interaction. In other words, it is done with robots and computers.
This is the future of controlled entrance into a secure facility without security guards.
I wonder if the SEIU is trying to unionize the computers at that site?
I knew that you would tell another Whopper tale,and you still manage to avoid my question,what is the value of a security guard life? and the machine question was for cantgetitup,also if machines are so great for security,then why don't banks have them
simpleton.
Smarter ALL DAY

Seattle, WA

#11 Feb 28, 2013
Smart Liberal wrote:
<quoted text>
What do they do that puts their lives at risk? Is their job more risky than driving your car on the freeway or running in a marathon? If so, how risky is it?
What do you consider a "fair wage" for that job?
Quit dancing and answer the question about how much they should be paid. It isn't that tough, even for a fake black guy.
Where is the Hertz at Sea-tac ??? Quit dancing and answer the question. It isn't that tough, even for a fake guy.
Smarter ALL DAY

Seattle, WA

#12 Feb 28, 2013
Tell you what, you tell me the exact perfect CEO pay and I'll consider winning another trasyliar game... LMAOROTFu !

I know it will HERTZ, but I'm a man(unlike you).

GO !!!

“The one and only Smart Liberal”

Since: Aug 12

Former MN Tax Payer

#13 Feb 28, 2013
redeemer wrote:
<quoted text>I knew that you would tell another Whopper tale,and you still manage to avoid my question,what is the value of a security guard life? and the machine question was for cantgetitup,also if machines are so great for security,then why don't banks have them
simpleton.
OK, you won't say how much the job is worth, nor will you say how - as you said - those brave souls are risking their lives every day. Another cut & run from the fake black guy.

I am curious though, are you are afraid to offer what you think the job of security guard is worth? Or is it beyond your pay grade to know what that job is worth?

As for your question about banks using machines rather than security guards, better than half of all bank locations are now machines - with no tellers or security guards.

Automation will replace an awful lot of jobs in the next 10 years. Will yours be one of them?

I wonder if you can have a fake black robot?
IrishMN

Saint Paul, MN

#14 Feb 28, 2013
I deserve to make lots of money. Everyone else can go "F" themselves.

“We have 545 traitors.”

Since: May 11

Parts Unknown

#15 Feb 28, 2013
They won't answer you because the answer is:

As much as they can get.

Its the same answer for any profession, from fast food to CEO. That's what liberals don't like. In their opinion, pay for the CEO should be limited but the idea of limiting security guard pay is unthinkable.

Does a security guard risk their own life? Not as much as a police officer does, by at least half, arguably.

Does a security guard need specialized training? Maybe a quarter of what a police officer requires, perhaps.

So is it fair to pay a security guard one half of what a police officer is paid? Could that be their value?

Would it be shocking to learn that these guards want to be paid as well as police officers or more?
ist

Duluth, MN

#16 Feb 28, 2013
Blern wrote:
They won't answer you because the answer is:
As much as they can get.
Its the same answer for any profession, from fast food to CEO. That's what liberals don't like. In their opinion, pay for the CEO should be limited but the idea of limiting security guard pay is unthinkable.
Does a security guard risk their own life? Not as much as a police officer does, by at least half, arguably.
Does a security guard need specialized training? Maybe a quarter of what a police officer requires, perhaps.
So is it fair to pay a security guard one half of what a police officer is paid? Could that be their value?
Would it be shocking to learn that these guards want to be paid as well as police officers or more?
hmmm

Average police officer pay is $50,512 per year.

http://www1.salary.com/police-officer-Salary....

That's $24.28 per hour.

So an average security guard wage should be $12.14 per hour?

That seems fair.
ist

Duluth, MN

#17 Feb 28, 2013
Average security guard pay is $28,905

http://www1.salary.com/Security-Guard-Salary....

That's $13.90 per hour.

Sounds like the average security guard is paid more than fairly for an easy job that doesn't require a law enforcement degree.
ist

Duluth, MN

#18 Feb 28, 2013
http://www.startribune.com/local/192897971.ht...

Fred Anthony II, a security guard who serves on the union’s negotiating team, said the guards are seeking a “livable wage” as well as more affordable health insurance. The starting salary is now $12.50 per hour.

Sounds about right to me.

“The one and only Smart Liberal”

Since: Aug 12

Former MN Tax Payer

#19 Mar 1, 2013
Imagine that. We have a few Conservatives that answer the question based upon logic and provide some very good answers.

And we have a couple of Libs that are incapable of responding with anything other than trying to hurl personal insults.

Why does this not surprise me?

Since: Sep 11

Rogers, MN

#20 Mar 1, 2013
Smart Liberal wrote:
Imagine that. We have a few Conservatives that answer the question based upon logic and provide some very good answers.
And we have a couple of Libs that are incapable of responding with anything other than trying to hurl personal insults.
Why does this not surprise me?
Probably because the so called libs on this site are not libs but rather, paid trolls. Or maybe unpaid trolls who don't know how to engage in rational discourse.

The libs I know in the real world, and even a few on topix, are not at all like the 2 or 3 here who, as you mentioned, just hurl insults.

They are educated and intelligent and reasonably well spoken. Able to defend their arguments without resorting to using childish taunts like "poopy pants", "liar liar", "ball sack boi", "slutty troll", "peter puffer", and so on.

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