Marijuana-legalization push gets voice on Capitol Hill

[Ronald]

Sorry. I neglected to provide link to Normal's web page for above quote.

http://stash.norml.org/rep-gabrielle-giffords...

Ronald

[ZenBirdist]

Ronald, Congresswoman Giffords is NOT DEAD. She is in critical condition but is responding to commands after surgery. STOP SPREADING MISINFORMATION.

[ZenBirdist]

The shooter has been identified as a 22-year-old Afghan War vet, and not six but five people have died in the wake of the attack.

How many more "facts" are you going to make up?

Puh-leeze.

[Ronald]

ZenBirdist wrote:

Ronald, Congresswoman Giffords is NOT DEAD. She is in critical condition but is responding to commands after surgery. STOP SPREADING MISINFORMATION.

ZenBirdist.

You are exactly right. I should have known better than to rely on Government controlled "news" reports. Thank you for your helpful suggestion.

Ronald

[Horny Viking]

Pot makes young people feel hopeless, and then they go on shooting rampages.

[ZenBirdist]

Apologies for another off-topic post, but I must correct myself. The shooter is now known not to be a veteran. I'm sorry for doing exactly what I accused Ronald of doing. Shame on me.

[Bruno24]

Ronald wrote:

My fellow kids and myself often discuss the contrast between peaceful tobacco smokers and the violence surrounding pot users, including so-called "medical pot".
http://articles.latimes.com/2010/jul/01/local...
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2010/06...
http://blogs.laweekly.com/informer/2010/04/lo...
Even politicians are not safe. According to stash.norml's website, Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-AZ) responded to a letter written by a constituent's marijuana legalization inquiry. Giffords wrote:
"Thank you for contacting me about the decriminalization of marijuana.
"I believe that while legalization might reduce the high costs of prosecuting and enforcing some narcotics crimes and help alleviate pain for some patients, the larger cost to society must be considered. There are serious public health costs associated with drug misuse, as well as larger economic and societal costs. For example, marijuana is often cited as a gateway drug that leads to the use of more dangerous narcotics. For these reasons, I do not support decriminalizing marijuana."
Giffords was shot dead, reportedly along with 6 0thers. The shooter was described as a "fringe character", disheveled in appearance, typical in appearance to that of the chronic pot user.
http://www.blogforarizona.com/blog/2011/01/co...
Tobacco is an excellent mood enhancer that, unlike dangerous violence associated pot, allows the user to maintain a cool, even tempered, composure.
Since the corrupt politicians began their war against hard working women and men who smoke tobacco,(for purposes of increased taxation and Government control only), more and more instances of pot related violence has come to the fore. How many more of my fellow kids must die before Government gets its wars right?
Ronald

This post illustrates well by itself how dishonest, irrational and opportunist you are. To be sure once you begun to say that smoking tobacco is healthy and that prohibition of alcohol did work, I did already stop to believe that you want to inform us. I don't know what is your agenda, but it is certainly not the health of our children. You are in contradiction: you criticize government literature for tobacco, but refer to its literature on pot, this is again opportunism. You don't look at the fact objectively. You select the facts which suits you wishes.
You are insulting as "mind rotten" those among us who believe that cannabis is, at the least, a safest substitute for many legal medications and some legal narcotics. Your very attitude with respect to the pot smokers is close to a form of racism. No kids ever died from cannabis. Many people died from prohibition of cannabis. The illegality of cannabis is a grave and lasting scandal, and you are contributing to its perpetuation. Shame on you.

[ZenBirdist]

Horny Viking wrote:

Pot makes young people feel hopeless, and then they go on shooting rampages.

Mental illness, HV, is what brought the shooter to the Safeway yesterday. Don't even try to blame this on liberals or cannabis or anything else but mental illness.

[Ronald]

Bruno24.

Say what you want, but how can you excuse crazed potheads running around shooting Legislators and Government judges? Isn't it a little more than just chance that Congresswoman Giffords spoke forcefully against the legalization of time and space distorting demon pot?

One usually reliable (non Government controlled) news source quotes one Caitie Parker as having Tweeted:

"he (left wing loon Jared Lee Loughner) was a pot head who was into rock like Hendrix, The Doors, Anti-Flag..."

Source: http://theantiliberalzone.blogspot.com/2011/0...

Even establishment Governmental "news" sources admit "a Jared L. Loughner, having the same date of birth,...(was charged with the criminal offense of)...possession of drug paraphernalia".

Source: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40980334/ns/us_ne...

Since our post 60s 70s "Liberal" Government fired its first shot to overturn all that is normal and good by beginning its war against decent women and men who smoke tobacco, and, while at the same time, promoting pot usage, Americans have gotten way too up-tight. Unleashing crazed "mentally unstable" potheads onto society is no way to promote "democracy" and the American way.

You describe those decent peaceful folks who advocate peaceful co-existence and comity as being "dishonest, irrational and opportunist". Do you have any positive suggestion that might end this escalating wave of wanton pot related 60s era type violence terrorism?

Ronald

[ZenBirdist]

Ronald wrote:

Do you have any positive suggestion that might end this escalating wave of wanton pot related 60s era type violence terrorism?
Ronald

Yes, end the prohibition that feeds the violence. And, how do you know that Jared Loughner wasn't also a cigarette smoker? Did he drink beer? Better set an outright prohibition for those substances, too. Right?

[Le Dumbo]

ZenBirdist wrote:

The shooter has been identified as a 22-year-old Afghan War vet, and not six but five people have died in the wake of the attack.
How many more "facts" are you going to make up?
Puh-leeze.

It seems you made up a few yourself.

[ZenBirdist]

Le Dumbo wrote:

<quoted text>It seems you made up a few yourself.

I didn't make them up. I repeated what I heard on Fox News during Shepard Smith. Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer stated on camera that the suspect was an Afghan vet. I regret passing along the false information.

[Boone]

This person who took it upon himself to rid another of there life because he couldn't stand his own was a sick person.The only thing that they accomplish is allot of sorrow and disgrace for themselves and there families.I was born around guns and have been shooting them since I was 8yrs. old,and I never once thought of shooting someone,but I also had parents who cared and were always there for me and was also there when disaplin was necessary(at least to them)so with that and the knowledge of God and Jeses Christ which we learned from our parents who made sure we knew our creator.All this makes me so baffeled as to why cant outher humans work things out diffarently?

[Ronald]

ZenBirdist wrote:

<quoted text>
Yes, end the prohibition that feeds the violence. And, how do you know that Jared Loughner wasn't also a cigarette smoker? Did he drink beer? Better set an outright prohibition for those substances, too. Right?

ZenBirdist.

Pot related violence is driven by demand. That demand is driven by potheads.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/01/08/headl...

Hard working "clear headed" tobacco smokers are best known for their stable demeanor and placid personalities. I should not need to remind you that Hitler was one of history's most infamous NON tobacco smokers. By comparison, pothead Loughner was only a small-timer.

Ronald

[ZenBirdist]

Ronald wrote:

<quoted text>
ZenBirdist.
Pot related violence is driven by demand. That demand is driven by potheads.
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/01/08/headl...
Hard working "clear headed" tobacco smokers are best known for their stable demeanor and placid personalities. I should not need to remind you that Hitler was one of history's most infamous NON tobacco smokers. By comparison, pothead Loughner was only a small-timer.
Ronald

I'm fascinated by your obsession with proving to us that tobacco is safe. I smoked a pack a day for several years, going up to a couple of packs a day during times of intense stress. Yeah, I enjoyed my cigarettes, but my body didn't appreciate the poisons I was feeding it through my cigs. My circulation was poor and my lungs always burned, and despite having been active and athletic, I was always very short of breath and constantly trying to clear my throat. My kids hated the smoke and often complained how bad it smelled to them. I didn't disagree completely with them, the smell of an ashtray would just about make me lose my stomach. Kicking the addiction was just about the most difficult thing I had to do and the physical and psychological withdrawal was brutal. I'm glad I did it when I did, though, because I got to enjoy a few years of good health before I got sick with MS and my kids got to enjoy a smoke-free house for a while.

Now, if you'd like to argue about the poisonous additives to tobacco, I would be happy to provide you some information there, but perhaps you're growing your own tobacco and smoking it in a vaporizor rather than smoking it? Smoking anything will give you products of combustion, which are not healthy for you. That is why I don't smoke cannabis. Medical cannabis users typically use methods other than burning it for therapeutic use.

[ZenBirdist]

Sorry, I should have said "vaporizing your tobacco instead of smoking it".

[Ronald]

ZenBirdist wrote:

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I'm fascinated by your obsession with proving to us that tobacco is safe. I smoked a pack a day for several years, going up to a couple of packs a day during times of intense stress. Yeah, I enjoyed my cigarettes, but my body didn't appreciate the poisons I was feeding it through my cigs. My circulation was poor and my lungs always burned, and despite having been active and athletic, I was always very short of breath and constantly trying to clear my throat. My kids hated the smoke and often complained how bad it smelled to them. I didn't disagree completely with them, the smell of an ashtray would just about make me lose my stomach. Kicking the addiction was just about the most difficult thing I had to do and the physical and psychological withdrawal was brutal. I'm glad I did it when I did, though, because I got to enjoy a few years of good health before I got sick with MS and my kids got to enjoy a smoke-free house for a while.
Now, if you'd like to argue about the poisonous additives to tobacco, I would be happy to provide you some information there, but perhaps you're growing your own tobacco and smoking it in a vaporizor rather than smoking it? Smoking anything will give you products of combustion, which are not healthy for you. That is why I don't smoke cannabis. Medical cannabis users typically use methods other than burning it for therapeutic use.

ZenBirdist.

I agree. While enjoying the simple pleasure of smoking tobacco may become habitual, only with the wildest imaginations of high paid taxpayer funded Government bureaucrats can it be considered to be addictive. That is just one of the many ill consequences once free Americans have experienced since radical post 60s 70s extremist Government activists ("Liberals") politicized every element of our very being. Please do not misunderstand my intent. I do not mean to excuse the behavior of Hitler - probably the world's most famous non smoker - or the behavior of Jared Loughner (the pothead) ether.

I do agree with you that health fads have always been a part of the American culture. Those fads have not resulted in much damage being done, because they have usually been short lived. Now that Government has gotten in on the action, though, no one knows how much damage will result. Government has the force of law, and the willingness to employ violence to enforce that law.

Additives put into once healthy American tobacco products since Government nationalized Big Tobacco is a good example, but those additives are no worse than Government promoted Frankinfoods developed by the Government controlled Big Food industry. I would recommend healthy Chinese or Zimbabwean tobacco rather than unhealthy poor quality Government controlled US tobacco.

Ronald

[Horny Viking]

Everyone who promotes Marijuana as a good thing has blood on their hands.

Jared Loughner displays symptoms of Paranoid schizophrenia, which is a common health side effect of someone who abuses marijuana.

Candy Cigarettes are scientifically more healthy than Marijuana.

[JEG]

Horny Viking wrote:

Pot makes young people feel hopeless, and then they go on shooting rampages.

No, pot makes young and old hopeless people feel better. This dude smoked it every day and was hopeless. He was also a crazy person, pot was just his drug and he probably would have done it sober of drugs.

[Lil Ticked]

Horny Viking wrote:

Everyone who promotes Marijuana as a good thing has blood on their hands.
Jared Loughner displays symptoms of Paranoid schizophrenia, which is a common health side effect of someone who abuses marijuana.
Candy Cigarettes are scientifically more healthy than Marijuana.

I call bullshit.

"CONCLUSION
The definition of a cause of a disease is an antecedent
event, condition or characteristic that is necessary for the
occurrence of the disease at the moment it occurred,
given that other conditions are fixed (Rothman &
Greenland, 1998).Cannabis is not a necessary cause of
schizophrenia in that most individuals with the illness
have not smoked it. Neither is cannabis a sufficient cause
in that most cannabis users do not develop schizophrenia."
http://www.psychiatry.univr.it/page_eps/docs/...