Marijuana-legalization push gets voic...

Marijuana-legalization push gets voice on Capitol Hill

There are 288 comments on the TwinCities.com story from Dec 25, 2010, titled Marijuana-legalization push gets voice on Capitol Hill. In it, TwinCities.com reports that:

The cannabis industry has flexed its muscles in 15 states where it's legal to smoke marijuana for medical purposes.

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JEG

Upland, CA

#25 Dec 30, 2010
Archie wrote:
Real Drug Cartel
I have to admit that a country like the USA that consumes 65 billion of illicit drugs a year has political pull from somewhere to keep operating without interruption..
The Press just likes to talk about people that want wacky weed legalized or how great smoking bans are. As usual the children listen to them.
It's the same old song. What ever the intelligentsia of society decides, the press, politicians, the young and the foolish follow. It was done after WW1 and got a lot of people killed in WW2. It was fed to the youth and minorities of the 60s and we lost the Vietnam war on American soil even though we killed over 1 million Vietnamese against our 50,000. This movement is just a small example of it. Your all being supported by these people and don't even know it. It's just various Intellectuals opinions to legalize it as their experiment. Once it's legal, there's no going back. That's why we can't go back on liquor and never will. The Fed won't let pot be legal because they know this fact so get on with life and maybe go clean. Yes, it may not be what you want to hear and your all furious with this but it's the truth. Legalization would be a political, social and fiscal disaster. Won't ever happen at the national level.
Archie

Minneapolis, MN

#26 Dec 30, 2010
JEG

I totally respect your reasoning by seeing the full picture of society dabbling in fun fads.
Critical Ridge Resident

Paradise, CA

#27 Dec 30, 2010
To the holier than thous: God made pot, man made beer. Who do you trust?!
Read Gen 1:29-31.
So yes, our Abba Father SAID it was good. Learn how to REALLY listen to the word of God and stop distorting His word to your liking you reefer madness hypocrites!
Critical Ridge Resident

Paradise, CA

#28 Dec 31, 2010
Hence is why ICE, FBI, and DEA agents held off the raids of the active tunnels under our border until the election passed in order the numbers stay low in the prop 19 bid for legalization. The "Establishment" has their agenda and the media in their pockets. It's all a farce. It's the FED's plan to squash those "non-compliant" states.
Bruno24 wrote:
<quoted text>
It is far too late for that. Thanks to prohibition the drug cartels have already a bigger budget than Mexico government budget. There is just no other choice than complete legalization of marijuana.
The prohibition of drugs transforms the world into a big Chicago. Prohibition is a success only for the drug bandits. It makes it possible for them to manage anomalous amount of (black) money and to corrupt the politicians and to continue ... prohibition, which is the motor of their business.
We should legalize ALL drugs, and tax them relatively to their (real) damages. People would clearly understand what are the dangerous products, and, as we know today, cannabis, magic mushrooms, and salvia divinorum are much safer alternative to alcohol, tobacco, and crack.
Prohibition is economically, ethically, and medically wrong.

Since: Apr 08

Twin Cities

#29 Dec 31, 2010
Archie wrote:
Just what a lazy country needs, More brain dead potheads. The Dope Gods speak again, here comes the Democracks like Phyllis kahn.
Keep societies opium in Kalifornicate, and away from what is left of a Minnesota dope free society.
Arch, if cannabis was legalized, would you start using it? If cigarettes were outlawed, would you give up your heaters? The law has very little to do with what people choose to put into their bodies, in my humble view.

Since: Apr 08

Twin Cities

#30 Dec 31, 2010
Archie wrote:
JEG
I totally respect your reasoning by seeing the full picture of society dabbling in fun fads.
A fun fad? Here's a historical timeline of medical marijuana for you, my friend: http://medicalmarijuana.procon.org/view.resou...
Lois Lane

Saint Paul, MN

#31 Dec 31, 2010
lol wrote:
The arrogant bigot genertion is dying off. About 880,000 annually. This will end the drug war. The hypocrats will be gone. They are the scared ones. they have hurt generations for personal gain. Life is short. I hope they enjoyed their short time.
Have another joint.

“Good luck with that !!!!”

Since: Dec 10

Jersey City, NJ

#32 Dec 31, 2010
JEG wrote:
<quoted text> It's the same old song. What ever the intelligentsia of society decides, the press, politicians, the young and the foolish follow. It was done after WW1 and got a lot of people killed in WW2. It was fed to the youth and minorities of the 60s and we lost the Vietnam war on American soil even though we killed over 1 million Vietnamese against our 50,000. This movement is just a small example of it. Your all being supported by these people and don't even know it. It's just various Intellectuals opinions to legalize it as their experiment. Once it's legal, there's no going back. That's why we can't go back on liquor and never will. The Fed won't let pot be legal because they know this fact so get on with life and maybe go clean. Yes, it may not be what you want to hear and your all furious with this but it's the truth. Legalization would be a political, social and fiscal disaster. Won't ever happen at the national level.
How would it be a "political, social and fiscal disaster"??? If you're going to make dramatic statements, then back them up with something feasible.
Liquor is no longer illegal not because of intelligencia experimentation, but rather because people were fed up with gov't sticking it's nose where it didn't belong and the crime associated with it's prohibition.
Same thing is happening here. The younger generations are pushing for this reform, not because someone is "pulling their strings" (which is what those who profit from prohibition are doing to a good number of folks in this country), but because they are more informed and realize just what this prohibition is all about and the inaccuracies, scare tactics and lies used to preserve it.
black out drunk

Minneapolis, MN

#33 Jan 2, 2011
JEG wrote:
<quoted text> It's the same old song. What ever the intelligentsia of society decides, the press, politicians, the young and the foolish follow. It was done after WW1 and got a lot of people killed in WW2. It was fed to the youth and minorities of the 60s and we lost the Vietnam war on American soil even though we killed over 1 million Vietnamese against our 50,000. This movement is just a small example of it. Your all being supported by these people and don't even know it. It's just various Intellectuals opinions to legalize it as their experiment. Once it's legal, there's no going back. That's why we can't go back on liquor and never will. The Fed won't let pot be legal because they know this fact so get on with life and maybe go clean. Yes, it may not be what you want to hear and your all furious with this but it's the truth. Legalization would be a political, social and fiscal disaster. Won't ever happen at the national level.
The media pushes mostly a prohibitionist theme, still. The media is owned by large corporations, the same ones who fund political campaigns, own the booze companies, tobacco, pharmaceuticals, petrochemical companies, etc. which fear hemp and marijuana competition in a truly free marketplace. The fact anyone is taking a stance against prohibition is really amazing, actually, considering the volume of prohibitionist rhetoric Americans get each day in the media. It's in the schools, in the workplace. People have, however, found the scientific evidence does not support ANY of the policies currently in place with regard to marijuana/cannabis and are calling for reform of the injurious prohibitionist policies.

The economists who came up with alcohol prohibition called for people to "live a life of clarity" just as you are doing. This goes directly against human nature, and as was evidenced by that prohibition failing, and drug prohibition's by-products grow more dangerous, expensive, and ridiculous with each passing day. People are calling for drug law reform while the politicians ignore it. Should tell everyone which policy is the right one, and which is highly corrupt. Is there anything else we trust the politicians about? Why this issue, then?
Reality

Vallejo, CA

#34 Jan 2, 2011
Common sense please wrote:
Although I am thankful for those who go to bat for the sick and dying who could benefit from medical cannabis, I wish they would advocate more effectively. A NATIONAL classification in the correct category of the Controlled Substances Act which correctly would move marijuana OUT of Schedule I is the most sensible approach. It would allow for research and recognize the medical benefits which cannabis possesses. Saying cannabis is the same/as dangerous as HEROIN is a joke, and I don't care what the pharmaceutical lobby says, cannbis does possess medical benefit. Too many studies in countries where they ALLOW research proves as much. Stop lying to the American public at the expense of the sick and dying. How sad! "Land of the Free" my arse.
Actually the current geniuses in the FDA classify heroin and meth as SAFER than cannabis. It should be a schedule IV drug, not a schedule I.
Doobie Brother

Saint Paul, MN

#35 Jan 2, 2011
Archie wrote:
Just what a lazy country needs, More brain dead potheads. The Dope Gods speak again, here comes the Democracks like Phyllis kahn.
Keep societies opium in Kalifornicate, and away from what is left of a Minnesota dope free society.
Archie needs a hit.
Ronald

Westminster, CA

#36 Jan 2, 2011
Although he is a self-admitted Democrat, Rep. Steve Kagen of Wisconsin called medical marijuana "a misnomer," adding: "There is nothing safe about smoking. There is nothing safe about smoking an illicit product called marijuana." Kagen is right. There is nothing "medicinal" about mind destroying Marijuana. "Medical Marijuana" is a sham and a fraud.

Source: http://www.justthinktwice.com/factsfiction/fi...

Before taking the matter of "legalizing" dangerous pot to heart, perhaps we should take note of what happened to California once drug pushers gained influential control of that unfortunate - now bankrupted - State. According to the Washington Times, admissions into California taxpayer funded drug abuse centers for treatment of marijuana dependence more than doubled over the past decade.

Source: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/dec/...

Taxpayer funded "experts" correctly indicate that so-called "medical-pot" laws promote teen use. These "experts" further conclude that These experts say they especially worry that increasingly permissive attitudes surrounding marijuana use might be leading to higher teenage drug use and addiction rates.

These "experts" further conclude that increasingly permissive attitudes surrounding marijuana use might be leading to higher teenage drug use and addiction rates.

Source: http://www.denverpost.com/news/marijuana/ci_1...

It is unfortunate that, since the dawn of our current superstitious age, we must rely on Democrat politicians and taxpayer funded Government "experts" to reach a conclusion that common sense alone would otherwise make plain to a more enlightened people. Their conclusions, though, are the same as to what elementary common sense would reveal. The rest of the nation must resist traveling down the road that helped lead to the demise of the once great State of California.

Ronald

Since: Sep 10

Location hidden

#37 Jan 3, 2011
Reality wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually the current geniuses in the FDA classify heroin and meth as SAFER than cannabis. It should be a schedule IV drug, not a schedule I.
Schedule I is for the substance on which even *research* is prohibited. It is for the substance which are healthy (like psycho-active hemp) and useful (like non psycho-active hemp) but such that we want you not discovering that fact

The very notion of "schedule one" is a confession of guiltiness.
How could any research be forbidden in the land of the free?

The illegality of cannabis, and the very notion of schedule one is anti-democratic, anti-constitutional, anti-american, and anti-human.

Prohibitionism is ONLY a gangster technic to steal your health and money, with an air of good conscience.

Since: Sep 10

Location hidden

#38 Jan 3, 2011
Ronald wrote:
Although he is a self-admitted Democrat, Rep. Steve Kagen of Wisconsin called medical marijuana "a misnomer," adding: "There is nothing safe about smoking. There is nothing safe about smoking an illicit product called marijuana." Kagen is right. There is nothing "medicinal" about mind destroying Marijuana. "Medical Marijuana" is a sham and a fraud.
Source: http://www.justthinktwice.com/factsfiction/fi...
Before taking the matter of "legalizing" dangerous pot to heart, perhaps we should take note of what happened to California once drug pushers gained influential control of that unfortunate - now bankrupted - State. According to the Washington Times, admissions into California taxpayer funded drug abuse centers for treatment of marijuana dependence more than doubled over the past decade.
Source: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/dec/...
Taxpayer funded "experts" correctly indicate that so-called "medical-pot" laws promote teen use. These "experts" further conclude that These experts say they especially worry that increasingly permissive attitudes surrounding marijuana use might be leading to higher teenage drug use and addiction rates.
These "experts" further conclude that increasingly permissive attitudes surrounding marijuana use might be leading to higher teenage drug use and addiction rates.
Source: http://www.denverpost.com/news/marijuana/ci_1...
It is unfortunate that, since the dawn of our current superstitious age, we must rely on Democrat politicians and taxpayer funded Government "experts" to reach a conclusion that common sense alone would otherwise make plain to a more enlightened people. Their conclusions, though, are the same as to what elementary common sense would reveal. The rest of the nation must resist traveling down the road that helped lead to the demise of the once great State of California.
Ronald
Even if there were true in those analyses, it remains that alcohol and tobacco are just about infinitely more dangerous than pot. But most studies cited in those reports have been completely debunked.

Remember this: putting cannabis in schedule one has hide that cannabis can cure cancer for more than 30 years. That is enough for asking for the abolition of prohibition.

Look and meditate on this:

http://www.mapinc.org/newstcl/v01/n572/a11.ht...

BTW, why is non psycho-active hemp illegal? That is also a confession of guiltiness. They don't care about our health, only about their special interests.

And international studies show that the more a drug is prohibited, the more it is consumed. Prohibition has been a formidable success ... for the terrorists and the drug dealers, only.
great

Saint Paul, MN

#39 Jan 3, 2011
Ronald wrote:
Although he is a self-admitted Democrat, Rep. Steve Kagen of Wisconsin called medical marijuana "a misnomer," adding: "There is nothing safe about smoking. There is nothing safe about smoking an illicit product called marijuana." Kagen is right. There is nothing "medicinal" about mind destroying Marijuana. "Medical Marijuana" is a sham and a fraud.
Source: http://www.justthinktwice.com/factsfiction/fi...
If that is the case, demand the government of the United States allow research to PROVE as much! Well????
Ronald wrote:
Before taking the matter of "legalizing" dangerous pot to heart, perhaps we should take note of what happened to California once drug pushers gained influential control of that unfortunate - now bankrupted - State. According to the Washington Times, admissions into California taxpayer funded drug abuse centers for treatment of marijuana dependence more than doubled over the past decade.
Source: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/dec/...
If you wish, I can post the study which shows that treatment admissions for marijuana directly correlated with the rise in ARRESTS for marijuana. They charge over 850,000 people a year for pot "offenses." Many of which are ordered to go into treatment whether they truly have an "addiction" or not. Yeah, of course the numbers keep going up. The government is mandating as much! LOL!
Ronald wrote:
Taxpayer funded "experts" correctly indicate that so-called "medical-pot" laws promote teen use. These "experts" further conclude that These experts say they especially worry that increasingly permissive attitudes surrounding marijuana use might be leading to higher teenage drug use and addiction rates.
These "experts" further conclude that increasingly permissive attitudes surrounding marijuana use might be leading to higher teenage drug use and addiction rates.
Source: http://www.denverpost.com/news/marijuana/ci_1...
And yet, there is NO data available to back these claims, and in fact, states which have implemented medical programs have seen DECREASES in teen use.
Ronald wrote:
It is unfortunate that, since the dawn of our current superstitious age, we must rely on Democrat politicians and taxpayer funded Government "experts" to reach a conclusion that common sense alone would otherwise make plain to a more enlightened people. Their conclusions, though, are the same as to what elementary common sense would reveal. The rest of the nation must resist traveling down the road that helped lead to the demise of the once great State of California.
Ronald
So we can't trust the government if they are calling for drug law reform, but we can trust them when it comes to our best interests and current drug policy? Wow. Wonderful logic there, or should I say, complete lack thereof. It's that "blind faith" in government that has allowed prohibition to fester for as long as it has.
Ronald

Westminster, CA

#40 Jan 3, 2011
Bruno24 wrote:
<quoted text>
Even if there were true in those analyses, it remains that alcohol and tobacco are just about infinitely more dangerous than pot. But most studies cited in those reports have been completely debunked.
Remember this: putting cannabis in schedule one has hide that cannabis can cure cancer for more than 30 years. That is enough for asking for the abolition of prohibition.
Look and meditate on this:
http://www.mapinc.org/newstcl/v01/n572/a11.ht...
BTW, why is non psycho-active hemp illegal? That is also a confession of guiltiness. They don't care about our health, only about their special interests.
And international studies show that the more a drug is prohibited, the more it is consumed. Prohibition has been a formidable success ... for the terrorists and the drug dealers, only.
Bruno24.

Well, of course, that is complete nonsense. It is common for cancer to go into remission, or even stop progressing. That is why Government is so successful running its Big Medicine scam, the purpose of which is to extract hard earned money from overburdened taxpayers.

Having utterly failed with all their efforts to impose Government legitimacy over loony Utopian 60s 70s era social and economic schemes, the elderly hippie 60s 70s era druggies,(now in power), along with their dysfunctional ideological bedfellows, now seek Governmental marijuana "legitimacy" for the purpose of taxation.

Government uses untold $Billions of hard earned taxpayer money to make every imaginable kind of "study". Government - along with its taxpayer funded "non profit" activist running-dog associates - use these "studies" to "prove" anything they desire. The usual method is to first reach a conclusion, then supply the results of Government "studies" to prove it. This is the first I have heard they are now claiming mind rotting pot "cures cancer", but I am not surprised that such absurd "claims" would be made.

Ronald

“There is no such thing”

Since: May 08

as a reasonable person

#41 Jan 3, 2011

Since: Apr 08

Twin Cities

#42 Jan 4, 2011
Ronald wrote:
<quoted text>
Bruno24.
Well, of course, that is complete nonsense. It is common for cancer to go into remission, or even stop progressing. That is why Government is so successful running its Big Medicine scam, the purpose of which is to extract hard earned money from overburdened taxpayers.
Having utterly failed with all their efforts to impose Government legitimacy over loony Utopian 60s 70s era social and economic schemes, the elderly hippie 60s 70s era druggies,(now in power), along with their dysfunctional ideological bedfellows, now seek Governmental marijuana "legitimacy" for the purpose of taxation.
Government uses untold $Billions of hard earned taxpayer money to make every imaginable kind of "study". Government - along with its taxpayer funded "non profit" activist running-dog associates - use these "studies" to "prove" anything they desire. The usual method is to first reach a conclusion, then supply the results of Government "studies" to prove it. This is the first I have heard they are now claiming mind rotting pot "cures cancer", but I am not surprised that such absurd "claims" would be made.
Ronald
Ronald, on one hand you're discounting the government-funded studies that bear out whatever it is they want "proven". Then on the other hand you're willing to accept the government studies that suggest pot is a mind-rotting substance. Let me ask you this, on what experience or evidence are you basing your opinions on? On some of your minor points we sort of agree, in that I understand where you're going with the feds' interest in taxing everything under the sun. But then our understanding stops short. I have seen cannabis ease the pain and worry in a terminally ill relative, at least for a little while. It didn't stop the cancer, but it gave him a tiny break from the painful reality and nausea of his condition. Of course he died anyway, a hollowed-out shell of the man he was, but I'm so very grateful for the times of respite he was given. I would fight anyway who denied him those last few merciful tokes, Ronald. Would you have denied him?
oh noes

Saint Paul, MN

#44 Jan 4, 2011
Even if one completely discounts the medicinal nature of marijuana, there remains *no* compelling legal justification for its prohibition.

It is simply inertia - people think it should stay illegal because it has been illegal throughout their lives and they are unwilling to think critically.

It is also, of course, sheer idiocy to force the trade of the nation's #1 cash crop to operate in an entirely underground economy. The war on drugs is, among other things, a war on sensible economics and free enterprise.

Since: Sep 10

Location hidden

#45 Jan 4, 2011
Ronald wrote:
<quoted text>
Bruno24.
Well, of course, that is complete nonsense. It is common for cancer to go into remission, or even stop progressing. That is why Government is so successful running its Big Medicine scam, the purpose of which is to extract hard earned money from overburdened taxpayers.
Having utterly failed with all their efforts to impose Government legitimacy over loony Utopian 60s 70s era social and economic schemes, the elderly hippie 60s 70s era druggies,(now in power), along with their dysfunctional ideological bedfellows, now seek Governmental marijuana "legitimacy" for the purpose of taxation.
Government uses untold $Billions of hard earned taxpayer money to make every imaginable kind of "study". Government - along with its taxpayer funded "non profit" activist running-dog associates - use these "studies" to "prove" anything they desire. The usual method is to first reach a conclusion, then supply the results of Government "studies" to prove it. This is the first I have heard they are now claiming mind rotting pot "cures cancer", but I am not surprised that such absurd "claims" would be made.
Ronald
Ronald,

You make two claims. First you claim that cannabis is mind rotting. All "scientific papers" asserting things similar to this have been debunked. I have a collection of such papers, and I can show you how they mishandle both elementary logic and statistics. Your second claim is that pot does not cure cancer. Below I give references of papers in which I have not seen any error. Most of the experiences described there have been repeated and verified by independent researchers and peer reviewing process.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/04/02/hea... (CBS news)
http://www.jci.org/articles/view/37948 (original spanish paper, which confirms the discovery made and hidden by americans in 1974)
http://www.safeaccess.ca/research/cancer.htm (many other papers showing that cannabis can cure, or help in the cure, of many different type of cancers).
http://www.mapinc.org/newstcl/v01/n572/a11.ht... (they knew!)
http://www.entheology.org/edoto/anmviewer.asp... (a summary on entheology.org )

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