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Charley Walters: Defensive end Cameron Jordan would be a solid first pick for Vikings

There are 18 comments on the TwinCities.com story from Apr 23, 2011, titled Charley Walters: Defensive end Cameron Jordan would be a solid first pick for Vikings. In it, TwinCities.com reports that:

There aren't many sure bets in the NFL draft. But one safe choice the Vikings could make with their No.

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ezg357d

Madera, CA

#1 Apr 23, 2011
Ok the PROS have half the Draft as the Vikings frist pick now
Jeb

Pompano Beach, FL

#2 Apr 23, 2011
My sense is the Vikings like Joe Webb. And they should. He has fantastic physical gifts. If he's a hard worker, he can be one of the best there is.

More importantly, however, does he have the right mental makeup? Can he be a great leader, is he reliable off the field. I have the sense he has much promise in these areas, as well.

With what we're learning about expertise and football IQ, we are beginning to understand that the Wonderlic is not a reliable indicator of a player's football IQ. Many of us already know that the Wonderlic tells us nothing about EQ, Emotional Quotient.

And EQ is important in sports. It's emotional quotient that tells us about how a person can handle stress, interpersonal and intrapersonal issues, on and off the field.

Many companies (including Target) already give their potential employees a test that measures EQ. I don't understand why the NFL has not developed such a test. We are closer to developing an EQ test than a football intelligence test.

If the NFL had an EQ test, we would know ahead of time that people like Pacman Jones, Lawrence Phillips, Demetrius Underwood, and a whole boatload (pardon the pun) of various wackadoos are unfit for a life in the NFL. Of course, the test would not be ironclad, but I'm sure it would tell us some vitally important information about potential player talent.

Getting back to Joe Webb. How do the Vikings know if he is the one? I submit to you that the Vikings are blown away by his physical gifts and already know he has the physical ability. What they don't know is: 1) does he have the capacity to get better (which relates to football intelligence), and 2) does he have the EQ to be a great leader and a mature guy on and off the field.

So far, the only thing we can go on is that he has a genuine smile in his team picture. And for now, maybe that's the only thing the Vikings can go on.
ezg357d

Madera, CA

#3 Apr 23, 2011
Jordan is a ideal fit for a 3=4 defense can fit into a 4-3 But he isnt a big time rushing talent So is he worth taking at 12? >Go vikings

Since: Sep 08

Lakeville, MN

#4 Apr 24, 2011
Jeb wrote:
My sense is the Vikings like Joe Webb. And they should. He has fantastic physical gifts. If he's a hard worker, he can be one of the best there is.
More importantly, however, does he have the right mental makeup? Can he be a great leader, is he reliable off the field. I have the sense he has much promise in these areas, as well.
With what we're learning about expertise and football IQ, we are beginning to understand that the Wonderlic is not a reliable indicator of a player's football IQ. Many of us already know that the Wonderlic tells us nothing about EQ, Emotional Quotient.
And EQ is important in sports. It's emotional quotient that tells us about how a person can handle stress, interpersonal and intrapersonal issues, on and off the field.
Many companies (including Target) already give their potential employees a test that measures EQ. I don't understand why the NFL has not developed such a test. We are closer to developing an EQ test than a football intelligence test.
If the NFL had an EQ test, we would know ahead of time that people like Pacman Jones, Lawrence Phillips, Demetrius Underwood, and a whole boatload (pardon the pun) of various wackadoos are unfit for a life in the NFL. Of course, the test would not be ironclad, but I'm sure it would tell us some vitally important information about potential player talent.
Getting back to Joe Webb. How do the Vikings know if he is the one? I submit to you that the Vikings are blown away by his physical gifts and already know he has the physical ability. What they don't know is: 1) does he have the capacity to get better (which relates to football intelligence), and 2) does he have the EQ to be a great leader and a mature guy on and off the field.
So far, the only thing we can go on is that he has a genuine smile in his team picture. And for now, maybe that's the only thing the Vikings can go on.
I am sure the vikings will take your opinions into consideration.
Really

Tunkhannock, PA

#5 Apr 24, 2011
if we take a DL at 12 I hope the lockout lasts 2 seasons

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Since: Jan 09

Grand Rapids, MN

#6 Apr 24, 2011
Cam Jorden would be a great pick. But have faith, Stevie Wonder has a better chance of making a solid choice at number 12. The Vikes brain trust will analyze hundreds of players and spend hundreds of thousands, only to screw up the choice.
Whatever

Las Vegas, NV

#7 Apr 24, 2011
ezg357d wrote:
Jordan is a ideal fit for a 3=4 defense can fit into a 4-3 But he isnt a big time rushing talent So is he worth taking at 12? >Go vikings
I don't get it, either.

There are a lot of YouTube videos showing his highlights, and he seemed to play the majority of his snaps inside as a DT when they used a 4-3. So could a guy listed at 287 really be a good replacement for Pat Williams?

When he played on the edge (Ray Edwards' spot), he was said to be good against the run, but not a great pass rusher. He had 6 sacks last year.

So while he's being projected as a DE, his size and skills seem to suggest he's best for a 3-4...???



DD Austin

United States

#8 Apr 24, 2011
If the Viking didn't play it would be bad, but.....if the tenderwolves didn't play, really....who would really care? As far as the kind of money Mauer makes? Nuts!
The JEW

Kelseyville, CA

#9 Apr 24, 2011
Everything is possible or has a good chance of happening if Charlie starts a rumor or hears a rumor he likes. As soon as the Sporting News PROJECTS the Vikings to take Mallett at #12, Charlie immediately squashes the idea.

Because that's professional journalism.
Dobber Dubinsky

Canada

#10 Apr 24, 2011
Whatever wrote:
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I don't get it, either.
There are a lot of YouTube videos showing his highlights, and he seemed to play the majority of his snaps inside as a DT when they used a 4-3. So could a guy listed at 287 really be a good replacement for Pat Williams?
When he played on the edge (Ray Edwards' spot), he was said to be good against the run, but not a great pass rusher. He had 6 sacks last year.
So while he's being projected as a DE, his size and skills seem to suggest he's best for a 3-4...???
I really don't think you can expect the average 287 pounder or Cameron Jordan to fill Phat Pat's shoes. With that said.....remember a lil' D-Tackle by the name of John Randle?? Probably about 285 or so, and a HOFer he is today. Not comparing Cam Jordan to Randle, just saying it CAN be done. Congrats again on your HOF induction JR!
Affula

Hugo, MN

#11 Apr 24, 2011
I wanted us to draft this guy... until I realized so did Charley Walters.
Affula

Hugo, MN

#12 Apr 24, 2011
anyone who thinks joe webb is anywhere close to a starting quarterback on a good national football league team is delusional.
Old Ole

Brandon, MS

#13 Apr 24, 2011
The problem with Joe Webb is that Childress thought he was QB material. That means he's not.
fracas

Tucson, AZ

#14 Apr 25, 2011
Cam Jordan would be about equal to keeping Ray Edwards, except a bit cheaper. He is probably a harder worker, and probably less trouble, but Edwards has experience and more quickness. Why not just resign Edwards and use the pick on some position of greater need.

So many mocks have the vikes with a DE at 12. I can't see it happening. My guess is that it will be a trade down into the late teens, early twenties, and then a QB like Mallet, Ponder or Dalton. Locker will have gone earlier.
Zeke

Minneapolis, MN

#15 Apr 25, 2011
Who Cares! This team will be in LA 2012!
Boondoggle

San Francisco, CA

#16 Apr 25, 2011
Ryan Mallett is going to be a terrible pro QB.
Whatever

Las Vegas, NV

#17 Apr 25, 2011
fracas wrote:
Cam Jordan would be about equal to keeping Ray Edwards, except a bit cheaper. He is probably a harder worker, and probably less trouble, but Edwards has experience and more quickness. Why not just resign Edwards and use the pick on some position of greater need.
So many mocks have the vikes with a DE at 12. I can't see it happening. My guess is that it will be a trade down into the late teens, early twenties, and then a QB like Mallet, Ponder or Dalton. Locker will have gone earlier.
I think they would re-sign Edwards if they could, but he'll be an inrestricted free agent and might not want to return to MN.
fracas

Tucson, AZ

#18 Apr 25, 2011
Whatever wrote:
<quoted text>
I think they would re-sign Edwards if they could, but he'll be an inrestricted free agent and might not want to return to MN.
We don't know what Edward's status will be, pending the new agreement. He might be restricted, he might be unrestricted. All I am saying is that Jordan isn't an upgrade over Edwards and that they should try to resign Edwards and use the pick somewhere else where the need is greater.

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