Needy GAMC patients to get coverage under MinnesotaCare, state ...

Aiming to ensure health care coverage for thousands of often homeless and chronically ill Minnesotans, the state said Thursday that it would shift the group into a program aimed at Minnesota's working poor.

[Observer]

"Sen. Linda Berglin, DFL-Minneapolis, who chairs a key Minnesota Senate health care committee, wondered whether the move is legal and said it likely would accelerate the depletion of MinnesotaCare funding. "

Make up your mind Linda as a member of the DFL the party that wants to have socialized national health care (with borrowed Chinese money to pay for it) to help the same people how on earth could you be against this.

[Deadeye Dick]

Observer wrote:

"Sen. Linda Berglin, DFL-Minneapolis, who chairs a key Minnesota Senate health care committee, wondered whether the move is legal and said it likely would accelerate the depletion of MinnesotaCare funding. "
Make up your mind Linda as a member of the DFL the party that wants to have socialized national health care (with borrowed Chinese money to pay for it) to help the same people how on earth could you be against this.

Socialized health care is a system whereby the government owns the medical facilities and employs the medical and support staff. No one in Congress is suggesting such a system for the U.S.

[Hmmm]

Pawlenty cuts dump more expenses on local government. But he'll yammer on about his not raising taxes.

[IrishMN]

More game playing by King Timmy and his Administration. He allowed these people to go into MinnesotaCare, but then will again find a way to screw the people out of the coverage they should have, and that they need.

[Beaver Cleaver]

IrishMN wrote:

More game playing by King Timmy and his Administration. He allowed these people to go into MinnesotaCare, but then will again find a way to screw the people out of the coverage they should have, and that they need.

Dumba$$.

[Porkulus]

Both President Obama and the Democratic Congress have ignored the mess that three states have made of their economy and tax burden by attempting to create a public option and/or universal healthcare. Tennessee has its TennCare program, Maine has tried a "public option" program, and Massachusetts has its RomenyCare system that promises healthcare for all. Each of them has been a boondoggle for the taxpayers and has failed to deliver promised savings and enhanced coverage.

In fact, each of these states have begun to cut services to people because the costs have skyrocketed despite claims that "savings" would occur and that everyone would get more coverage.

Last week, the Wall Street Journal had a piece by Wendy Williams saying that the "fines" Massachusetts imposed on people who ostensibly didn't have insurance coverage -- an idea that Obama wants included in his Obamacare policies -- now falls even on people with insurance in the Bay State.



Initially this fine imposed by the Mass. legislature was supposed to force people to get healthcare insurance. But “without informing anyone” the legislature decided just getting insurance wasn’t good enough. To avoid the fine now Mass. residents have to get the kind of insurance of which the government approves.

Why? Because Massachusetts requires every resident to have health insurance, and this year, without informing us directly, the state had changed the rules in a way that made our bare-bones policy no longer acceptable. Unless we ponied up for a pricier policy we neither need nor want—or enrolled in a government-sponsored insurance plan—we would have to pay $1,000 each year to the state.

Mrs. Williams and her husband saved their whole lives, paid their mortgage, paid down their bills, all in order to live as self-sufficient citizens. And now, because they don’t have the sort of insurance that the Sate of Massachusetts approves of, they have become criminals in the eyes of the state and must be fined accordingly.

But, here is the most salient part of this story. Initially, Mr. And Mrs. Williams were not affected by the RomneyCare fine. The original law allowed that all a citizen had to do to avoid the fine was to get some sort of insurance. But now the rules have changed. Now Massachusetts has decided to force people to buy a particular sort of healthcare insurance. And that is precisely the thing here.

Once government decides that it has the power to intervene and regulate a thing, the capriciousness of government is forever visited upon that thing. All it takes is some idiot Senator, or some bought off Representative to decide to slip in a change to the law to suit his patrons or serve his wild ideas. The people can never count on government to make a rule and stick with it. Changes will happen every year and people will be left negatively affected.

So, even if you think only “the rich” are going to be hurt by Obamacare, think again. Sooner, rather than later, YOU will be hit hard by some fool official in the government that changes the rules. And those rules will change so much that neither you nor your doctor will be able to keep up with them.

The best healthcare reform is to get government OUT of it. The more government gets its greedy hands on a thing, the more ineffective that thing becomes. It’s just that simple.

[Dumbarse Dick]

Lessons from Tenncare


http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/200...

Tennessee was home to a failed attempt at universal single payer care, and has lessons to teach a President who has promised that in pursuing his goal of universal health care, he will learn from the policy failures of the past. In 1994 Tennessee implemented managed care in its Medicaid program, creating a system known as TennCare. The objective was to use the anticipated savings from Medicaid to fund and expand coverage for children and the uninsured. The result was a program that nearly bankrupted the state, reduced the quality of care, and collapsed under its own weight.

Read more at realclearpolitics.com ...

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When debating “free” health care I like to use the analogy of an open bar. I like to ask the person I am debating if they think people drink more or less when there is an open bar. Then I like to ask why they think the use of medical care would not grow rapidly when it is made free.

[Pat from Blaine]

Hey DumbarseDick,

I like your comments about "...When debating “free” health care I like to use the analogy of an open bar. I like to ask the person I am debating if they think people drink more or less when there is an open bar. Then I like to ask why they think the use of medical care would not grow rapidly when it is made free..."

When I am debating the left side of my family during the Thanksgiving Holiday I will use this scenario. But then again the facts tend to confuse them!

thank you and great post!!!

[Heaux Freaking Humm]

Pat from Blaine wrote:

Hey DumbarseDick,
I like your comments about "...When debating “free” health care I like to use the analogy of an open bar. I like to ask the person I am debating if they think people drink more or less when there is an open bar. Then I like to ask why they think the use of medical care would not grow rapidly when it is made free..."
When I am debating the left side of my family during the Thanksgiving Holiday I will use this scenario. But then again the facts tend to confuse them!
thank you and great post!!!

Health care is not an open bar. Health care is a necessity. An open bar is not (unless you're an alcoholic). Public health care is paid for with taxes and user fees paid for by those receiving it, an open bar is paid for by a host. You may die if you do not receive health care. You won't die if you don't have an open bar.

Health care is not an open bar, no more so than a kangaroo is a hippopotamus.

[Pat from Blaine]

Heaux Freaking Humm,

The part of this debate that drives me crazy is the part about people needing health care and do not believe they are responsible for paying their share.

I am not a wealthy person but my wife and I have our share of medical bills that our insurance doesn't pay. I do not complain nor run to every government program and scream I need this.

People need to pay their share!

Once all people realize how much health care is costing and have to pay their share then they will stop going to hospital when they have a drunken induced hangover.

You want reform for health care I say make people pay their share and costs will drop big time. If government pays their share then costs will rise.

Besides the last open bar I was at I did drink too much but my wife drove me home.