Thomas Friedman: On climate, we're go...

Thomas Friedman: On climate, we're going to be sorry

There are 16 comments on the TwinCities.com story from Jul 27, 2010, titled Thomas Friedman: On climate, we're going to be sorry. In it, TwinCities.com reports that:

When I first heard Thursday that Senate Democrats were abandoning the effort to pass an energy/climate bill that would begin to cap greenhouse gases that cause global warming and promote renewable energy that could diminish our addiction to oil, I remembered something that Joe Romm, the climateprogress.org blogger, once said: The best thing about ...

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Since: Jul 10

Delano, MN

#1 Jul 27, 2010
Ick, I almost put this article down the crapper, but instead I'll put it in the manure pile.
Northie

Spokane, WA

#2 Jul 27, 2010
Deny it if you must, Citylights, but this crisis isn't going away. This is another debt bubble about to burst. See you in 2014.
wjh

Saint Paul, MN

#3 Jul 27, 2010
Hot summer Thomas Freidman?

Hmm sound like you haven't learned from the left about the difference between weather and climate change.
Clueless Sen

Waterloo, Canada

#4 Jul 27, 2010
The planet has always thrived with more heat. Try growin a tomatoe plant in 6" of ice.
Owl Gore

Minneapolis, MN

#5 Jul 27, 2010
Paul Crudman, ace journalist, works for the well-balanced, highly successful business model known as the New York Times.

I think the word hes looking for is "heresy".(this is his religion,after all).

Owl Gore

Minneapolis, MN

#6 Jul 27, 2010
citylights wrote:
Ick, I almost put this article down the crapper, but instead I'll put it in the manure pile.
I think his hyperventilating is akin to the screaming streetcorner nut with the "End is near" sandwich board.

Thomas Friedman writes a somewhat interesting book about globalization and suddenly he is an expert on everything; global warming,creating jobs, the war against terror.

What's next , his own reality show or maybe his own Psychic Friends hot line?
Northie

Spokane, WA

#7 Jul 27, 2010
Clueless Sen wrote:
The planet has always thrived with more heat. Try growin a tomatoe plant in 6" of ice.
Try growing a tomato in a sand dune.

In past greenhouse warmings, the world has seen a lot more sand and not so many tomatoes. In fact, almost no life at all.
frank miller

United States

#8 Jul 27, 2010
Yeah economist neo-conservative Thomas Friedman, another disciple of idiot neo-conservative economist giving away American jobs/careers to foreigners by uncalibrated outsourcing of 3 shifts/day Manufacturing jobs/careers, so that Fotune 500, Forbes 1000, Nasdaq ~200 hi tech CEO's can get 100 times the salaries/stock options they got before ~ 1980, with no more REAL Wealth generation by 8 years 2001-2008 phony Wall Street counterfeit 2.5 to 7 million phony REIT's, for blue chip Retirement savings, and the 2.5 to 7 million foreclosures, tying up about $7 trillions dollars in lost equity Paul Krugman, Thomas Friedman , jack of all trades, master of none, what the hell do you two know about Science hey? Show us your degrees in Chemistry, or Physics! I thought so you don't have any!
F.M.
Itser

Montgomery, AL

#9 Jul 28, 2010
Interesting.
Colder than usual temps = weather (meaningless), but hotter than usual temps = climate change (the end is coming!!!)
Climate changes, but it's extremely arrogant to think that humans control it.
Joyce Bros

New Rochelle, NY

#10 Jul 28, 2010
Northie wrote:
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Try growing a tomato in a sand dune.
In past greenhouse warmings, the world has seen a lot more sand and not so many tomatoes. In fact, almost no life at all.
Baloney the planet has thrived with warming so has man....can't live on a sheet of ice can ya??? But the crops grow and grow.

read Dr Roy Spencer NASA climatalogist....."climat e confusion" to clear up your head cold
Chicago Guy

Evanston, IL

#11 Jul 28, 2010
Itser wrote:
Interesting.
Colder than usual temps = weather (meaningless), but hotter than usual temps = climate change (the end is coming!!!)
Climate changes, but it's extremely arrogant to think that humans control it.
Is it arrogant to think we can influence ecosystems in the Gulf of Mexico by dumping millions of gallons of oil and gas into it? Or is the destruction we're seeing there merely naturally occurring?

Because the amount of toxic gases we pump into the air make the Gulf spill look like a drop in the bucket.
Owl Gore

Monroe, LA

#12 Aug 2, 2010
Expert: Win climate change debate by easing off science


Panelist says issue must be reframed before time runs out
The battle to get Americans to accept the science behind climate change has been “lost,” an expert at the Aspen Environment Forum declared Wednesday, but there's still a way to win the war to reduce carbon emissions.

Jonathan Foley, director of the Institute on the Environment at the University of Minnesota, said leaders on climate change need to concentrate on changing behavior in ways that appeal to people — and also happen to reduce carbon emissions.

“Climate scientists — stop talking about climate science. We lost. It's over. Forget it,” Foley told a surprised audience during a featured panel discussion on the last day of the three-day forum.

He said he likes nothing more than addressing conservatives and trying to win them over.“I like to walk into rooms like that and say,‘Forget about climate change. Do you love America?'

“And they'll go,‘Yeah.' I'll say,‘Doesn't it kind of tick you off that we borrow money from China, send it to Saudi Arabia to prop up this energy industry ... You're pushing a lot of buttons. They agree on that,” Foley said.

Environmentalists and climate deniers should stop fighting and take action they agree on, even if they approach the issue from different sides, he said.

“The skepticism around climate change has created a trap for us,” Foley said.“Stop digging yourself into the hole. Get out of it. Talk about it a different way. Reframe the issue.”

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http://www.postindependent.com/article/201007...

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"About 10 percent of Americans will align with you if you rally around climate change, he later added, but 70 percent will be on your side if you talk about energy security."

In other words, lie about your agenda. If you tell the truth, people won't buy it.

Nice try, Comrade Foley:

the carpert whisperer

United States

#13 Aug 2, 2010
Chicago Guy wrote:
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Is it arrogant to think we can influence ecosystems in the Gulf of Mexico by dumping millions of gallons of oil and gas into it? Or is the destruction we're seeing there merely naturally occurring?
Because the amount of toxic gases we pump
into the air make the Gulf spill look like a drop in the
bucket.
And congress cares about America. That's why all in congress take bribes daily.
Northie

Spokane, WA

#14 Aug 3, 2010
the carpert whisperer wrote:
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And congress cares about America. That's why all in congress take bribes daily.
What else have we got? Are we going to trust the energy industry to protect the climate and the oceans?
the carpert whisperer

United States

#15 Aug 3, 2010
Northie wrote:
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What else have we got? Are we going to trust the energy industry to protect the climate and the oceans?
If you think congress has protected either, well, I'll just say they haven't.
Northie

Spokane, WA

#16 Aug 3, 2010
the carpert whisperer wrote:
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If you think congress has protected either, well, I'll just say they haven't.
Agreed, but the chances of getting effective carbon regulations through industry are nil, so that brings us back to Congress.

The pessimist in me says corporate campaign money will prevent Congressional action on climate for years, so we'll end up with an impossibly confusing, costly welter of local regulations instead.

However, this is a debt issue, and our climate debt will only mount. We can either pay a little now to prevent the worst of the problem, or a lot later to deal with the damage, but we'll definitely pay.

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