Virginia's attorney general says it's okay to break the law for Jesus

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Consistent

Minneapolis, MN

#1 Jan 12, 2013
Let's say, just hypothetically, you are the attorney general for the commonwealth of Virginia. So it's sort of your job to uphold and enforce the law, even the laws you don't like, because that's part of the job. You know what isn't part of the job? Advising people to break the law you've sworn to uphold.
While that might seem obvious, apparently it isn't so obvious to a certain attorney general and wannabe governor whose name is Ken Cuccinelli.(As is so often necessary when discussing Republicans, please note this is not from The Onion.)


Cuccinelli recounted an exchange with his own bishop in which he counseled the cleric to embrace civil disobedience:“My local bishop said,‘Well, you know I told a group I’m ready to go to jail.’ And I said,‘Bishop, don’t take this personally: You need to go to jail.’”
Lest you think Cuccinelli and his bishop were casually discussing breaking the law in a righteous battle for some greater good, you can stop that right now. Because the greater good for which these two fine Catholics think law-breaking is worthwhile is, of course, the fight to stop women from having access to basic health care because Abraham Lincoln had some good quotes about stuff and also religious liberty:

“You know, Abraham Lincoln has many good quotes, but one of them is ‘the best way to get rid of a bad law is to enforce it vigorously.’ And here we’re going to have an example of what tyranny means when it’s played to its logical conclusion,” Cuccinelli said.“Because forcing business owners and businesses to do this is not consistent with our history of preserving religious liberty, one of the most important protections we have in this country.”
If you're scratching your head trying to figure out how encouraging civil disobedience is actually a form of "vigorously" enforcing the law, don't bother. It doesn't make sense, and it isn't supposed to. We're talking about Republicans, after all, and they never let a little thing, like not making a goddamned bit of sense, stop them.
For almost a year, wingnuts and Catholic bishops (and yes, in the Venn diagram, that's basically just one big circle) have been whining and stamping their feet and reciting their favorite old timey quotes because it makes them super sad to think about women having basic health care. This has not actually persuaded anyone that women having health care is a bad thing. Quite the opposite, as demonstrated by about a bazillion polls on the issue. Not like that ever stops them.

So Cuccinelli, in his run for governor, is definitely doing his best to appeal to the wingnuttiest wingnuts in his base, and damnit, he'll even advise breaking the law—contrary to, you know, his current job description—to prove that he's just the guy for them.
The Truth

Minneapolis, MN

#2 Jan 12, 2013
When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

- Thomas Jefferson
Consistent

Minneapolis, MN

#3 Jan 12, 2013
I don't know anyone who fears our government - except lawbreakers.
The Truth

Minneapolis, MN

#4 Jan 12, 2013
Consistent wrote:
I don't know anyone who fears our government - except lawbreakers.
You really are clueless. Ask anyone who has experienced an IRS audit. Ask that guy named Henderson who was charged with a HIPAA crime. Ask anyone who has been falsly imprisoned.
Consistent

Minneapolis, MN

#5 Jan 12, 2013
So following your warped logic we should have no IRS audits and should not imprison anyone?

I don't know what a HIPAA is.
The Truth

Minneapolis, MN

#6 Jan 12, 2013
Consistent wrote:
So following your warped logic we should have no IRS audits and should not imprison anyone?
I don't know what a HIPAA is.
You are as dumb as it gets.

http://www.hhs.gov/ocr/privacy/hipaa/understa...

•The Standards for Privacy of Individually Identifiable Health Information (“Privacy Rule”) establishes, for the first time, a set of national standards for the protection of certain health information. The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (“HHS”) issued the Privacy Rule to implement the requirement of the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (“HIPAA”).1 The Privacy Rule standards address the use and disclosure of individuals’ health information—called “protected health information” by organizations subject to the Privacy Rule — called “covered entities,” as well as standards for individuals' privacy rights to understand and control how their health information is used. Within HHS, the Office for Civil Rights (“OCR”) has responsibility for implementing and enforcing the Privacy Rule with respect to voluntary compliance activities and civil money penalties.
Consistent

Minneapolis, MN

#7 Jan 12, 2013
Ahh, yes, every American has heard of Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act.

ROFLMAO!!!!!
The Truth

Minneapolis, MN

#8 Jan 12, 2013
Consistent wrote:
Ahh, yes, every American has heard of Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act.
ROFLMAO!!!!!
Proof positive. You are as dumb as it gets.
The Truth

Minneapolis, MN

#9 Jan 12, 2013
Consistent wrote:
Ahh, yes, every American has heard of Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act.
ROFLMAO!!!!!
It is part of your coveted Obamacare, dumb ass.
Bridgework

Minneapolis, MN

#10 Jan 12, 2013
You must have HATED the civil rights movement.

P.S. Is your "having access to basic health care" actually a code word for abortion?
Consistent

Minneapolis, MN

#11 Jan 12, 2013
Make up your mind which posting name you are going to use.

I was and am for the Civil Rights movement.

Try googling "basic health care".
Bridgework

Minneapolis, MN

#12 Jan 12, 2013
Consistent wrote:
Make up your mind which posting name you are going to use.
I was and am for the Civil Rights movement.
Try googling "basic health care".
I am not the same poster. This is my only name, unlike you. Like I said, when that article say's basic health care; it is not actually basic health care.
Incontinent

Saint Paul, MN

#13 Jan 13, 2013
The Truth wrote:
When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.
- Thomas Jefferson
There is no proof Jefferson ever said or wrote this.
The Truth

Minneapolis, MN

#14 Jan 13, 2013
Incontinent wrote:
<quoted text>
There is no proof Jefferson ever said or wrote this.
What is your problem? If you google that phrase, you get:

About 2,350,000 results (0.33 seconds)

http://www.google.com/#hl=en&tbo=d&sc...

Every single one I see says Jefferson said those words. I don't see one that says he did not. Now, grow up and act like you put your big boy pants on today, OK?
Incontinent

Saint Paul, MN

#15 Jan 13, 2013
The Truth wrote:
<quoted text>
What is your problem? If you google that phrase, you get:
About 2,350,000 results (0.33 seconds)
http://www.google.com/#hl=en&tbo=d&sc...
Every single one I see says Jefferson said those words. I don't see one that says he did not. Now, grow up and act like you put your big boy pants on today, OK?
You don't understand how google works do you? If you google "the earth is flat" you get 365,000,000 hits. So the earth is flat, right?

The first hit on the Jefferson quote is the most authoritative. Too bad you skipped it.

"Status: We have not found any evidence that Thomas Jefferson said or wrote, "When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny," or any of its listed variations."

http://www.monticello.org/site/jefferson/when...
The Truth

Minneapolis, MN

#16 Jan 13, 2013
Incontinent wrote:
<quoted text>
You don't understand how google works do you? If you google "the earth is flat" you get 365,000,000 hits. So the earth is flat, right?
The first hit on the Jefferson quote is the most authoritative. Too bad you skipped it.
"Status: We have not found any evidence that Thomas Jefferson said or wrote, "When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny," or any of its listed variations."
http://www.monticello.org/site/jefferson/when...
If you google the "earth is flat" and you get 365,000,000 sources, how many of them say the earth is flat? None.

You have one source that said they can not prove Jefferson said those words. Note that they did not say he didn't say those words either. Yet there are millions more that said he did. Hmmmm. I will stick with the millions rather than your one.

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