Armed guards in every Minn. school would cost $138 million

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Minneapolis, MN

#2 Dec 26, 2012
This should be financed by user fees on gun owners.

“Liberty and Justice for ALL!”

Since: Jun 10

Bloomington, MN

#3 Dec 27, 2012
More NRA Carnage wrote:
This should be financed by user fees on gun owners.
That's a great idea. Taxes on guns and ammunition should be modeled after the tobacco industry taxes - heavily taxed to cover the costs to society and discourage gun ownership.

“The one and only Smart Liberal”

Since: Aug 12

Former MN Tax Payer

#4 Dec 27, 2012
Le Jumbo wrote:
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That's a great idea. Taxes on guns and ammunition should be modeled after the tobacco industry taxes - heavily taxed to cover the costs to society and discourage gun ownership.
You anti-gun zealots are playing games with your use of taxes to curtail gun ownership by law abiding citizens.

I suggest that you read up on the Commerce Clause of our Constitution and the Broccoli Theory espoused by Justice Roberts as it relates to Obamacare. Using taxation as a means to control behavior of the citizenry took a hit on that day last June.

I say that the use of taxes to hamper or prevent purchases of guns and or ammunition would not be allowed by the Supreme Court.

Since: Sep 11

Rogers, MN

#6 Dec 27, 2012
Smart Liberal wrote:
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You anti-gun zealots are playing games with your use of taxes to curtail gun ownership by law abiding citizens.
I suggest that you read up on the Commerce Clause of our Constitution and the Broccoli Theory espoused by Justice Roberts as it relates to Obamacare. Using taxation as a means to control behavior of the citizenry took a hit on that day last June.
I say that the use of taxes to hamper or prevent purchases of guns and or ammunition would not be allowed by the Supreme Court.
They don't use taxation as a means to control behavior. They use taxation as a means to garner revenue under the guise of controlling behavior for our own good. Look at the tobacco taxes as an example. If they really wanted to stop people from smoking they would ban tobacco outright and shut down the growers.

Since: Sep 11

Rogers, MN

#8 Dec 27, 2012
People who are not Slewpid should always complain about unjust and deceptive methods in government, like hiding taxation behind the guise of helping or protecting people when it's really all about raising revenue.
The Truth Squad

United States

#9 Dec 27, 2012
I would not put a use tax on guns or rifles. I would put the tax on the ammunition. Put a federal tax at the same percentage as the alcohol tax, which I might add is the second biggest revenue to the US next to the income tax. I would also put the same limitations and restrictions that both alcohol and tobacco has regarding age of purchase.
The NRA will cry like a bunch of spoiled children, but they have proved to be so out-of-touch with societal changes after reading comments by their spokesman.

“The one and only Smart Liberal”

Since: Aug 12

Former MN Tax Payer

#10 Dec 27, 2012
cantmakeitup wrote:
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They don't use taxation as a means to control behavior. They use taxation as a means to garner revenue under the guise of controlling behavior for our own good. Look at the tobacco taxes as an example. If they really wanted to stop people from smoking they would ban tobacco outright and shut down the growers.
The tobacco issue is a whole different ballgame. That is one where the govt is now dependent upon the "free money" from smokers. They will never have the guts to be honest about that and ban smoking.

I believe the old government adage still holds true. If you want to expand a specific behavior, you subsidize it. If you want to limit a specific behavior, you tax it.

“The one and only Smart Liberal”

Since: Aug 12

Former MN Tax Payer

#12 Dec 27, 2012
The Truth Squad wrote:
I would not put a use tax on guns or rifles. I would put the tax on the ammunition. Put a federal tax at the same percentage as the alcohol tax, which I might add is the second biggest revenue to the US next to the income tax. I would also put the same limitations and restrictions that both alcohol and tobacco has regarding age of purchase.
The NRA will cry like a bunch of spoiled children, but they have proved to be so out-of-touch with societal changes after reading comments by their spokesman.
Two problems:

1. Black Market.
2. Justice Roberts.

Say what you want, but he is still the Chief Justice and runs the Supreme Court.
Amused Slew

Seattle, WA

#13 Dec 27, 2012
Smart Liberal wrote:
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The tobacco issue is a whole different ballgame. That is one where the govt is now dependent upon the "free money" from smokers. They will never have the guts to be honest about that and ban smoking.
I believe the old government adage still holds true. If you want to expand a specific behavior, you subsidize it. If you want to limit a specific behavior, you tax it.
Here you say government bans work, on other threads you say they don't.... Nice to "fit" reality to your moronic opinion, but it Hertz to LMAO @ you... LMAOROTFU!

“The one and only Smart Liberal”

Since: Aug 12

Former MN Tax Payer

#14 Dec 27, 2012
Amused Slew wrote:
<quoted text>Here you say government bans work, on other threads you say they don't.... Nice to "fit" reality to your moronic opinion, but it Hertz to LMAO @ you... LMAOROTFU!
Where in what I wrote is the word "ban" written? It is not.

Stop twisting what I say. You have enough problems with your own words.
Amused Slew

Seattle, WA

#15 Dec 27, 2012
Smart Liberal wrote:
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Two problems:
1. Black Market.
2. Justice Roberts.
Say what you want, but he is still the Chief Justice and runs the Supreme Court.
How did your "opinion" work last time you predicted SCOTUS behavior ??? LMAOROFU~! Poor dumb dumb...
Amused Slew

Seattle, WA

#16 Dec 27, 2012
Smart Liberal wrote:
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Where in what I wrote is the word "ban" written? It is not.
Stop twisting what I say. You have enough problems with your own words.
"ban smoking"

Too EZ~!
Amused Slew

Seattle, WA

#17 Dec 27, 2012
Smart Liberal wrote:
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Where in what I wrote is the word "ban" written? It is not.

"They will never have the guts to be honest about that and ban smoking."

Stop twisting what I say. You have enough problems with your own words.
Sure are "right" today... Should we send over crassasss to help dress you ???

“The one and only Smart Liberal”

Since: Aug 12

Former MN Tax Payer

#18 Dec 27, 2012
Amused Slew wrote:
<quoted text> "ban smoking"
Too EZ~!
Clumsy with my verbage. I did not say bans work.

Since: Sep 11

Rogers, MN

#19 Dec 27, 2012
Smart Liberal wrote:
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The tobacco issue is a whole different ballgame. That is one where the govt is now dependent upon the "free money" from smokers. They will never have the guts to be honest about that and ban smoking.
I believe the old government adage still holds true. If you want to expand a specific behavior, you subsidize it. If you want to limit a specific behavior, you tax it.
If you want to create a new black market, you ban, ban, ban.

Since: Sep 11

Rogers, MN

#20 Dec 27, 2012
Smart Liberal wrote:
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Where in what I wrote is the word "ban" written? It is not.
Stop twisting what I say. You have enough problems with your own words.
Slewpid is not twisting what you say. He/she is making shiat up again. You know, like the "friends" and the "dojo". SAd little creature. Gollum!!
Amused Slew

Seattle, WA

#21 Dec 27, 2012
Smart Liberal wrote:
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Clumsy with my verbage. I did not say bans work.
Well, you are you.. LMAOROTFU~~ Ps verbiage
Demystifying liberal myth

Minneapolis, MN

#22 Dec 27, 2012
cantmakeitup wrote:
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If you want to create a new black market, you ban, ban, ban.
And while that veiled threat looms on the horizon, the "Obama effect" continues to fuel a burgeoning market in gun sales.

February 2012
by Christopher Santarelli

"Gun manufacturers would likely not be the first to come to mind when considering industries who have benefited the most during President Obama’s first term, but a study from Ammo.net finds that firearm sales and concealed handgun permit applications are at all-time highs since the 2008 election.

"Just to show a few statistics illustrating what those in the industry call ”the Obama effect:”

** Ruger’s firearm sales have gone from $117 million to $232 million, an increase of 98%
** Winchester’s sales of ammunition have gone from $431.7 million to $572 million, an increase of 33%
** Federal excise taxes collected on the sale of new firearms and ammunition has risen 48.3%
** January 2012 was the 20th straight month of increases in NICS background checks compared to the same month in the previous year
** December 2011 saw over 1.41 million NICS background checks run, the most ever for a single month
** The few states which regularly report concealed carry permit numbers have seen increases in active permit holders ranging from 46% to 161%.

The correlation is astounding considering the day after his election the Gun Owners of America [ http://gunowners.org ] speculated that President-elect Obama “will be the most anti-Second Amendment president in the history of America.”
The Truth Squad

United States

#23 Dec 27, 2012
Smart Liberal wrote:
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Two problems:
1. Black Market.
2. Justice Roberts.
Say what you want, but he is still the Chief Justice and runs the Supreme Court.
Your reply carries no weight. First of all for a store to sell firearms one must be licensed as is alcohol and tobacco. Buying ammo is also legally restricted by age as is voting, alcohol and tobacco. Next what does being black have anything to do with my comments and the Supreme Court is made up of 9 justices who all have an equal voice if a lawsuit regarding the taxing of ammo ever got to that point. So explain your reasoning.

“The one and only Smart Liberal”

Since: Aug 12

Former MN Tax Payer

#24 Dec 27, 2012
The Truth Squad wrote:
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Your reply carries no weight. First of all for a store to sell firearms one must be licensed as is alcohol and tobacco. Buying ammo is also legally restricted by age as is voting, alcohol and tobacco. Next what does being black have anything to do with my comments and the Supreme Court is made up of 9 justices who all have an equal voice if a lawsuit regarding the taxing of ammo ever got to that point. So explain your reasoning.
WTF??? Put down that meth pipe.

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