America's unions are losing power

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Amused Slew

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Dec 12, 2012
 
Ps- STRANGE you "think" Twinkies in your mouth are a good vision, bet the cream reminds you of the "horseplay" with your brothers...
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#26
Dec 12, 2012
 
Get help for you homophobia slewsie. Smoke another bowl and mellow out.
Amused Slew

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Dec 12, 2012
 
Ps- STRANGE you "think" Twinkies in your mouth are a good vision, bet the cream reminds you of the "horseplay" with your brothers...

Got an oral fixation, funny fool ???
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#28
Dec 12, 2012
 
Slewsie, quit projecting and give in to your urges.
Amused Slew

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#29
Dec 12, 2012
 
Try for "your", poor inbred buffoon....

Must suck to be so stupid and poor, good luck with that....

Perhaps, DRUGS is your answer, consult with professionals, like con. LMAOROTFU~!

Amused Slew

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Dec 12, 2012
 
non-starter wrote:
Slewsie, quit projecting and give in to your urges.
Is that what your "brothers" taught you...GIVE IN... Figures, you're a broken trollop...

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Dec 13, 2012
 
Big Al wrote:
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You seem to be obtuse to the fact that businesses donít give wages and benefits out of the kindness of their hearts. If the wages and benefits are product of union bargaining then everyone benefitting from that bargaining should be required to pay those costs. If that doesnít seem fair to you I think you are part of the problem.
I beg to differ. We all benefit from organizations we don't belong to. AAA is a perfect example. They do a lot of safety research. They have a number of programs to improve highways, help people become better drivers, lobby for improved safety features in cars, etc. These things benefit everyone. They also offer a number of benefits to their members like road service, discounts, insurance, etc. Not everyone benefits from these services because they are not members but they do benefit from the other things AAA does. Should everyone be forced to pay their membership fee? In the same light, unions offer additional benefits to their members that non members don't receive like pensions, discounts, etc. Everyone benefits from their collective bargaining but not everyone benefits from their other perks. Therefore not everyone should be forced to join up.
Amused Slew

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Dec 13, 2012
 

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Just the honest folks, who pay their own way..

As for your AAA, the studies ARE PAID FOR, many by insurance carrier, where WE PAID THEM...

Man, cantgetitup or pay your own way ???

Why a LEECH ~!

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#33
Dec 13, 2012
 
Nobody should be forced to pay dues to an organization they do not want to belong to.

And does anyone know why Honey Slew Slew is so obsessed with whether or not I can achieve an erection? Really? How sick is that?
Amused Slew

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#34
Dec 13, 2012
 
You're already paying them...

Hint* nothing is free, except to a thief...

Ps- Claiming to be buggered was your "idea", it's YOUR point of perspective YOU introduced, dummy ~!

Poor cantgetitup, you make sex a part, then cantgetitup...
conservatives unite

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#35
Dec 13, 2012
 
the choice is the workers not the liberal unions. JUST SAY NO TO UNIONS.

bye bye unions, you are done !

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Be strong Michigan, as your leadership gives people the choice to be ( in ) or ( out ) of any union. Remember you ca NOT force people to join, they can decide, no one else.
Take a look MN it is going to sweep across America !!!
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Did Dip Mitt win, because you posted that crap, too...

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Dec 13, 2012
 
"Amused Slew wrote:
Ps- Claiming to be buggered was your "idea", it's YOUR point of perspective YOU introduced, dummy ~!

Poor cantgetitup, you make sex a part, then cantgetitup... "

I'm not the one who referred to breaking little boys and them being your favorite toys.
And by the way, that's not sex, it's pedophilia. An act of violence and control. Get some help before you re-offend.

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#38
Dec 13, 2012
 
Big Al wrote:
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You seem to be obtuse to the fact that businesses donít give wages and benefits out of the kindness of their hearts. If the wages and benefits are product of union bargaining then everyone benefitting from that bargaining should be required to pay those costs. If that doesnít seem fair to you I think you are part of the problem.
Well doens't that depend on the business itself?? I mean your generalizing, like most union supporters do. How many non union business pay higher or better wages and benefits?? Quite frankly, a lot, some just to keep the union out of there shops. Why do you need someone else to negoitate for you?? If you are a producer, you will always have a job and some level of security, if not, your done regardless of the union or no union.
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Dec 13, 2012
 
Niether of the Above wrote:
<quoted text>Well doens't that depend on the business itself?? I mean your generalizing, like most union supporters do. How many non union business pay higher or better wages and benefits?? Quite frankly, a lot, some just to keep the union out of there shops. Why do you need someone else to negoitate for you?? If you are a producer, you will always have a job and some level of security, if not, your done regardless of the union or no union.
There are no businesses without a union that pay higher or better wages and benefits than similar businesses with a union.

Businessmen are not altruistic. The profit motive is their guiding principle. Labor is a cost and costs must be minimized in order to maximize profits. Individual workers have no bargaining power only when workers bargain collectively can they negotiate on a level playing field.

Workers cannot work without businesses and businesses cannot operate without workers.
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Dec 13, 2012
 
Big Al wrote:
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There are no businesses without a union that pay higher or better wages and benefits than similar businesses with a union.
Businessmen are not altruistic. The profit motive is their guiding principle. Labor is a cost and costs must be minimized in order to maximize profits. Individual workers have no bargaining power only when workers bargain collectively can they negotiate on a level playing field.
Workers cannot work without businesses and businesses cannot operate without workers.
very well stated.
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Dec 13, 2012
 
Somrthing you sound like you know a lot about.

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Big Al wrote:
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There are no businesses without a union that pay higher or better wages and benefits than similar businesses with a union.
Businessmen are not altruistic. The profit motive is their guiding principle. Labor is a cost and costs must be minimized in order to maximize profits. Individual workers have no bargaining power only when workers bargain collectively can they negotiate on a level playing field.
Workers cannot work without businesses and businesses cannot operate without workers.
I would take issue with most of what you just posted. As a former owner of a successful sales organization, my employees, all non union, were and are paid well above the currrent pay scale for this market. WHY? Because I want my employees worrying about selling, invoicing, collecting, in otherwords, doing their jobs versus how much money they make. Your right, Businessmen are not altruistic, they are profit motiviated, but not guided. My guiding principle, was to provide an opportunity for each of my employees to exploit their talents and become financially stable. You see a true leader is one who pulls his team, not pushes. He is one who people want to follow and who gains his/her authority from those he leads. People who have never owned a business have no idea what really goes on in the minds of those who actually run the business. OH, and by the way, unions in the private sector, while I don't under the value are ok with me, it is the public unions who hold the taxpayers hostage for more and more,(not a level playing field for the taxpayer).
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Dec 13, 2012
 
Niether of the Above wrote:
<quoted text>I would take issue with most of what you just posted. As a former owner of a successful sales organization, my employees, all non union, were and are paid well above the currrent pay scale for this market. WHY? Because I want my employees worrying about selling, invoicing, collecting, in otherwords, doing their jobs versus how much money they make. Your right, Businessmen are not altruistic, they are profit motiviated, but not guided. My guiding principle, was to provide an opportunity for each of my employees to exploit their talents and become financially stable. You see a true leader is one who pulls his team, not pushes. He is one who people want to follow and who gains his/her authority from those he leads. People who have never owned a business have no idea what really goes on in the minds of those who actually run the business. OH, and by the way, unions in the private sector, while I don't under the value are ok with me, it is the public unions who hold the taxpayers hostage for more and more,(not a level playing field for the taxpayer).
I hope you didnít sign your letter to Santa ďNeither of the AboveĒ. You might get on the naughty list for fibbing.

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Niether of the Above wrote:
<quoted text>I would take issue with most of what you just posted. As a former owner of a successful sales organization, my employees, all non union, were and are paid well above the currrent pay scale for this market. WHY? Because I want my employees worrying about selling, invoicing, collecting, in otherwords, doing their jobs versus how much money they make. Your right, Businessmen are not altruistic, they are profit motiviated, but not guided. My guiding principle, was to provide an opportunity for each of my employees to exploit their talents and become financially stable. You see a true leader is one who pulls his team, not pushes. He is one who people want to follow and who gains his/her authority from those he leads. People who have never owned a business have no idea what really goes on in the minds of those who actually run the business. OH, and by the way, unions in the private sector, while I don't under the value are ok with me, it is the public unions who hold the taxpayers hostage for more and more,(not a level playing field for the taxpayer).
Exactly. And forcing public sector hiring to only include union employees is a form of discrimination.

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