A mother's vaccine journey

Mar 26, 2011 Full story: StarTribune 228

Hodan Hassan of Minneapolis understands why some parents are afraid to have their children vaccinated.

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#69 Sep 17, 2013
I almost forgot, you've been debunked, again.

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#72 Sep 17, 2013
Big surprise, has nothing to do with being negative. It's all about facts, of which you avoid. The site abused studies in order to mislead the reader. Another great fact about that blog: is the products it's also trying to sell the reader! What a joke that anti vaxxers rely on blogs such as this as 'evidence'??!! I can hardly wait for the next link!

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#74 Sep 17, 2013
We're not talking plain advertising. The blog itself has no sustaining ads. This is a blogger who is a distributor and blog entries are the products they're selling, and where does the profit go?? Just what is the motivation of the misuse and misinfo?? Thanks for the duh.
ric99

Lincoln, UK

#76 Sep 17, 2013
The Winnipeg dummy is a proven liar. When I referred to the results from the University of California, Davis study (the link to which I had given in a previous thread), he replied:-

“I read that piece ofcrap and it studied children not babies or infants.”

Yet later when I stated that this was not the case, and that the kids brain size had been recorded from birth, he asked for the link to the study, despite the fact that he had obviously read the first paragraph of the study, which was:-
“In the largest study of brain development in preschoolers with autism to date, a study by UC Davis MIND Institute researchers has found that 3-year-old boys with regressive autism, but not early onset autism, have larger brains than their healthy counterparts.”

So he had obviously seen my link to the study, but had only read the first paragraph. If he had read the rest of the study, he would have found that the brain sizes of these boys had been recorded from birth, hence the conclusions:-

“Changes in brain size were not apparent in boys who did not experience a regression.”

“Many families believe that the trigger that led to their child's regression took place close to the time that the regression happened. But the data reported in this paper indicate that the process leading to the enlarged brain, which presumably also is associated with the onset of autism, started when the child was a newborn.”

This clearly indicates that abnormally accelerated brain growth started before any vaccinations, and was not therefore caused by vaccinations, as he would like to believe.

So the next time that the Winnipeg dummy claims that friend or I haven’t supplied a link to back up what we have said, he is LYING.
Vaccines Cause Autism

Winnipeg, Canada

#77 Sep 17, 2013
friend wrote:
We're not talking plain advertising. The blog itself has no sustaining ads. This is a blogger who is a distributor and blog entries are the products they're selling, and where does the profit go?? Just what is the motivation of the misuse and misinfo?? Thanks for the duh.
So prove where the money goes.

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#79 Sep 17, 2013
Ok, I will prove it.

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Thanks for that link to the blog! Good example of anti vaxxer motivation and follow that money, and how another anti vaxxer when smacked right in the face cant even see the fraud, motivation and misinfo! But he believes every word the blog states! A riot!

Oh, and you've been debunked, again.
Vaccines Cause Autism

Winnipeg, Canada

#80 Sep 17, 2013
friend wrote:
Ok, I will prove it.
"Have you ever wanted to truly own your time—and your life? What if going to work every day was exciting and enjoyable, and you no longer had to wonder how you were going to pay the bills?
Generous compensation plan gives you the power to take control of your future and build a business that will change your life forever.
Offers an industry-leading compensation plan with generous commissions and bonuses.
As a distributor, you are eligible to enroll in the Essential Rewards program and earn as much as 20 percent of each order in Essential Rewards points."
Thanks for that link to the blog! Good example of anti vaxxer motivation and follow that money, and how another anti vaxxer when smacked right in the face cant even see the fraud, motivation and misinfo! But he believes every word the blog states! A riot!
Oh, and you've been debunked, again.
No but I can smell a stool sample

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#81 Sep 17, 2013
That 'smell' would be the residue remaining after the burn of an anti vaxxer being debunked.
Your welcome.
Ray

Brossard, Canada

#82 Sep 17, 2013
Sangelia wrote:
<quoted text>
I''m looking forward to the days where tests like the ones on the links will be common to use.
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http://sfari.org/news-and-opinion/toolbox/201... The approach used in KaryoArray, known as chromosomal microarray analysis, detects missing or duplicated regions of a chromosome, or copy number variations (CNVs). The technique matches areas of an individual's entire genome to pieces of a reference genome on a microarray, or chip.
...CNVs are more common in individuals with autism than in the general population.
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http://www.lifenews.com/2013/08/11/researcher... A GENETIC “signature” of autism in babies as young as 12 months has been identified for the first time, an international conference is to be told.
the genetics defects are applicable in your case which you passed on to your kid ending with mental health problems. truely i am sorry, but this is the nature. however, for kids regressing into autism a few days after vaccination...thats another story. a lot of health agencies hate to hear that because it associates autismm with vaccines. this is the case since vaccines have many adjuvants and antigens fueling immune system...and this is the ral cause of autism which you see it in every school, every street and most parents experiencing the same facts.

all these genetic studies have concluded with same results...less than20% can only be explained by genetic mutations (your case). if the culpability is strong, i understand why you tend toward genetics, i sympathize with you
Ray

Brossard, Canada

#83 Sep 17, 2013
friend wrote:
That 'smell' would be the residue remaining after the burn of an anti vaxxer being debunked.
Your welcome.
its true. but for now:

the past 20 years of genetic studies can only explain less than 20% of autism cases. if you have other data please feel free to share.

the consistent reporting of kids regressing into autism after vaccination is so real and so constant that vaccines as a cause can not be denied unless you are getting paid by pharma like GSK who were fined 4 billion dollars this year for fraud.

my advice is stay away from vaccines, even the nurses are refusing it due to its unwanted and unpredictable side effects one of them being AUTISM
Ray

Brossard, Canada

#84 Sep 17, 2013
Vaccines Cause Autism wrote:
<quoted text> No but I can smell a stool sample
this is not a sample...its the stool and a smelly one
Ray

Brossard, Canada

#85 Sep 17, 2013
ric99 wrote:
The Winnipeg dummy is a proven liar. When I referred to the results from the University of California, Davis study (the link to which I had given in a previous thread), he replied:-
“I read that piece ofcrap and it studied children not babies or infants.”
Yet later when I stated that this was not the case, and that the kids brain size had been recorded from birth, he asked for the link to the study, despite the fact that he had obviously read the first paragraph of the study, which was:-
“In the largest study of brain development in preschoolers with autism to date, a study by UC Davis MIND Institute researchers has found that 3-year-old boys with regressive autism, but not early onset autism, have larger brains than their healthy counterparts.”
So he had obviously seen my link to the study, but had only read the first paragraph. If he had read the rest of the study, he would have found that the brain sizes of these boys had been recorded from birth, hence the conclusions:-
“Changes in brain size were not apparent in boys who did not experience a regression.”
“Many families believe that the trigger that led to their child's regression took place close to the time that the regression happened. But the data reported in this paper indicate that the process leading to the enlarged brain, which presumably also is associated with the onset of autism, started when the child was a newborn.”
This clearly indicates that abnormally accelerated brain growth started before any vaccinations, and was not therefore caused by vaccinations, as he would like to believe.
So the next time that the Winnipeg dummy claims that friend or I haven’t supplied a link to back up what we have said, he is LYING.
the large head is called brain inflammation which means there was an immuno modulating agent involved, ignorama. and newborns get vaccinated on their first day also, depending on where you live. you reply only implicates vaccines as cause of autism since no genetic mutations can ever cause large head.

you are plain stupid...did you and friend cast for dumb and dumber. bring the pig face Sangelia with you

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#86 Sep 17, 2013
You need a biology class as well. Regardless of the percentage of genetics found, by no means does it leave the rest pointing to any where, let alone to vaccines. Health agencies don't hate a thing, because why? There is no evidence linking vaccines to the cause of autism. And for those vaccines that contain adjuvants, again, which vaccines are those??? And for those antigens, do you know how many you're exposed to on a daily bases in full force, not a small portion as what's in vaccines?? Here's a little tid bit. If you have two children with autism, the chances that the third will be autistic are around 35%. By parents reports many didn't vaccinate their 2nd and 3rd child due to the first child having autism, but those other children who didn't get vaccines still had autism as well. Or did you forget about THOSE most parental experiences!

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#87 Sep 17, 2013
Not all children get vaccines the day they are born. Mine didn't. How would you even know the vaccines records of every single individual to even make such a claim? The first thing they do after a child is born is weight and measure, hello. Aside from that, the large brain and head size had nothing to do with inflammation within the study and heads up: A large head circumference at birth can be

Benign familial macrocephaly (family tendency toward large head size)
Canavan disease- inherited
Hurler syndrome- inherited
Hydrocephalus (congenital, post-traumatic, or obstructive)- Genetic defects and certain infections during pregnancy
Intracranial bleeding
Morquio syndrome- inherited

Notice not on the list- vaccines.

You've been debunked, again.
Your welcome, again.

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#88 Sep 17, 2013
Another little tid bit, GSK isn't the only sole vaccine maker, and that fine had not a thing to do with vaccines.
Nice try. Maybe go for some new material.
ric99

Lincoln, UK

#89 Sep 18, 2013
Why should I waste my time providing a link for the Winnipeg dummy, which he claims to have already read (Post number 53) stating:-

"I read that piece of crap"

But clearly he only bothered to read the first paragraph before making his stupid comments on it. If he had read the rest of it, he would have realized that his remark:-

"it studied children not babies or infants"

was incorrect, as the boys' head sizes were measured immediately after birth.

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#90 Sep 18, 2013
Can you believe it, the very same anti vaxxer said over here
http://www.topix.com/forum/health/autism/TV7O...
Who Da Thunk wrote:
<quoted text> if you don't believe it do some research lazy.
Why provide a link when he can easily find the study? And once he does, it wont matter since he'll just start more name-calling anti social behavior.
I'd just patiently wait for another link from him, that's far more fun.
ric99

Brigg, UK

#97 Sep 18, 2013
Oh look, the Winnipeg dummy is now admitting that personal opinion ISN'T as good as science, yet when friend and I link to genuine peer reviewed scientific studies, he states that they are all "junk science", without even bothering to read them properly.

He only ever links to conspiracy theory or quackery sites, despite the fact that these site have no real scientific content whatsoever, so he isn't even practicing what he preaches. He's even trying to use his own memory failure as an excuse for his behaviour. Doesn't he realize that the only people who believe anything he says are the other anti-vaxxer nutters.

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#98 Sep 18, 2013
Saint-bruno-de-montarville, Canada didn't provide a link or proof, why should any one else?? Except for the fact is anything he posted had no commom sense and easily could be debunked without any links at all.

All of your anti social behavior still does not change the fact that you've been debunked, again.
Your welcome

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#99 Sep 18, 2013
ric99 wrote:
Oh look, the Winnipeg dummy is now admitting that personal opinion ISN'T as good as science, yet when friend and I link to genuine peer reviewed scientific studies, he states that they are all "junk science", without even bothering to read them properly.
He only ever links to conspiracy theory or quackery sites, despite the fact that these site have no real scientific content whatsoever, so he isn't even practicing what he preaches. He's even trying to use his own memory failure as an excuse for his behaviour. Doesn't he realize that the only people who believe anything he says are the other anti-vaxxer nutters.
Great! Winnipeg just then ruled out his anti vaxxer pal Saint-bruno-de-montarville, Canada and himself. Now who is it who keeps relying on 'personal' blogs???!!! And never posts a link???!!!
You'd think he'd get tired of putting his foot in his mouth and being debunked, but he just keeps coming back for more!! That's what I love about anti vaxxers: no rationale, no understanding of science in the least, and their anti social behavior always does them in! It's effortless to debunk them. I'm going to have to find another site, these anti vaxxers are just too easy to debunk that it's now more fun than it is anything esle.

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