Explaining Socialism To A Republican

Explaining Socialism To A Republican

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Nurse Pam

Chicago, IL

#2 Apr 28, 2012
I was talking recently with a new friend who I’m just getting to know. She tends to be somewhat conservative, while I lean more toward the progressive side.

When our conversation drifted to politics, somehow the dreaded word “socialism” came up. My friend seemed totally shocked when I said “All socialism isn’t bad”. She became very serious and replied “So you want to take money away from the rich and give to the poor?” I smiled and said “No, not at all. Why do you think socialism mean taking money from the rich and giving to the poor?

“Well it is, isn’t it?” was her reply.

I explained to her that I rather liked something called Democratic Socialism, just as Senator Bernie Sanders, talk show host Thom Hartman, and many other people do. Democratic Socialism consists of a democratic form of government with a mix of socialism and capitalism. I proceeded to explain to her the actual meaning terms “democracy” and “socialism”.

Democracy is a form of government in which all citizens take part. It is government of the people, by the people, and for the people.

Socialism is where we all put our resources together and work for the common good of us all and not just for our own benefit. In this sense, we are sharing the wealth within society.

Of course when people hear that term,“Share the wealth” they start screaming,“OMG you want to rob from the rich and give it all to the poor!” But that is NOT what Democratic Socialism means.

To a Democratic Socialist, sharing the wealth means pooling tax money together to design social programs that benefit ALL citizens of that country, city, state, etc.

The fire and police departments are both excellent examples of Democratic Socialism in America. Rather than leaving each individual responsible for protecting their own home from fire, everyone pools their money together, through taxes, to maintain a fire and police department. It’s operated under a non-profit status, and yes, your tax dollars pay for putting out other people’s fires. It would almost seem absurd to think of some corporation profiting from putting out fires. But it’s more efficient and far less expensive to have government run fire departments funded by tax dollars.

Similarly, public education is another social program in the USA. It benefits all of us to have a taxpayer supported, publicly run education system. Unfortunately, in America, the public education system ends with high school. Most of Europe now provides low cost or free college education for their citizens. This is because their citizens understand that an educated society is a safer, more productive and more prosperous society. Living in such a society, everyone benefits from public education.

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Consistent

Grantsburg, WI

#3 Apr 28, 2012
Nurse Pam wrote:
I was talking recently with a new friend who I’m just getting to know. She tends to be somewhat conservative, while I lean more toward the progressive side.
When our conversation drifted to politics, somehow the dreaded word “socialism” came up. My friend seemed totally shocked when I said “All socialism isn’t bad”. She became very serious and replied “So you want to take money away from the rich and give to the poor?” I smiled and said “No, not at all. Why do you think socialism mean taking money from the rich and giving to the poor?
“Well it is, isn’t it?” was her reply.
I explained to her that I rather liked something called Democratic Socialism, just as Senator Bernie Sanders, talk show host Thom Hartman, and many other people do. Democratic Socialism consists of a democratic form of government with a mix of socialism and capitalism. I proceeded to explain to her the actual meaning terms “democracy” and “socialism”.
Democracy is a form of government in which all citizens take part. It is government of the people, by the people, and for the people.
Socialism is where we all put our resources together and work for the common good of us all and not just for our own benefit. In this sense, we are sharing the wealth within society.
Of course when people hear that term,“Share the wealth” they start screaming,“OMG you want to rob from the rich and give it all to the poor!” But that is NOT what Democratic Socialism means.
To a Democratic Socialist, sharing the wealth means pooling tax money together to design social programs that benefit ALL citizens of that country, city, state, etc.
The fire and police departments are both excellent examples of Democratic Socialism in America. Rather than leaving each individual responsible for protecting their own home from fire, everyone pools their money together, through taxes, to maintain a fire and police department. It’s operated under a non-profit status, and yes, your tax dollars pay for putting out other people’s fires. It would almost seem absurd to think of some corporation profiting from putting out fires. But it’s more efficient and far less expensive to have government run fire departments funded by tax dollars.
Similarly, public education is another social program in the USA. It benefits all of us to have a taxpayer supported, publicly run education system. Unfortunately, in America, the public education system ends with high school. Most of Europe now provides low cost or free college education for their citizens. This is because their citizens understand that an educated society is a safer, more productive and more prosperous society. Living in such a society, everyone benefits from public education.
Dasvidanya Commrade.........FOOL!

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Wade Gustafson

Saint Paul, MN

#4 Apr 28, 2012
Nurse Pam wrote:
I was talking recently with a new friend who I’m just getting to know. She tends to be somewhat conservative, while I lean more toward the progressive side.
When our conversation drifted to politics, somehow the dreaded word “socialism” came up. My friend seemed totally shocked when I said “All socialism isn’t bad”. She became very serious and replied “So you want to take money away from the rich and give to the poor?” I smiled and said “No, not at all. Why do you think socialism mean taking money from the rich and giving to the poor?
“Well it is, isn’t it?” was her reply.
I explained to her that I rather liked something called Democratic Socialism, just as Senator Bernie Sanders, talk show host Thom Hartman, and many other people do. Democratic Socialism consists of a democratic form of government with a mix of socialism and capitalism. I proceeded to explain to her the actual meaning terms “democracy” and “socialism”.
Democracy is a form of government in which all citizens take part. It is government of the people, by the people, and for the people.
Socialism is where we all put our resources together and work for the common good of us all and not just for our own benefit. In this sense, we are sharing the wealth within society.
Of course when people hear that term,“Share the wealth” they start screaming,“OMG you want to rob from the rich and give it all to the poor!” But that is NOT what Democratic Socialism means.
To a Democratic Socialist, sharing the wealth means pooling tax money together to design social programs that benefit ALL citizens of that country, city, state, etc.
The fire and police departments are both excellent examples of Democratic Socialism in America. Rather than leaving each individual responsible for protecting their own home from fire, everyone pools their money together, through taxes, to maintain a fire and police department. It’s operated under a non-profit status, and yes, your tax dollars pay for putting out other people’s fires. It would almost seem absurd to think of some corporation profiting from putting out fires. But it’s more efficient and far less expensive to have government run fire departments funded by tax dollars.
Similarly, public education is another social program in the USA. It benefits all of us to have a taxpayer supported, publicly run education system. Unfortunately, in America, the public education system ends with high school. Most of Europe now provides low cost or free college education for their citizens. This is because their citizens understand that an educated society is a safer, more productive and more prosperous society. Living in such a society, everyone benefits from public education.
Socialism has not worked as a form of government anywhere. It has failed every time it has been attempted.

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Poker Star

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#5 Apr 28, 2012
Consistent wrote:
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Dasvidanya Commrade.........FOOL!
Or in other words, you have no idea what the difference is between socialism and communism, right?

Of course, what would you expect from someone with only an eighth grade education?

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underwood

Dallas, TX

#6 Apr 28, 2012
Wade Gustafson wrote:
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Socialism has not worked as a form of government anywhere. It has failed every time it has been attempted.
It's worked in the United States for a century now, and virtually every country on the planet is socialistic to some degree now.

Since: Jul 08

Saint Paul, MN

#7 Apr 28, 2012
underwood wrote:
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It's worked in the United States for a century now, and virtually every country on the planet is socialistic to some degree now.
Yes every country has socialist type programs like the successfull SSI, medicare etc.... but the US is a capitalist country and that is why we are the easiest to succeed. At least for the productive.

Since: Jul 08

Saint Paul, MN

#9 Apr 28, 2012
Dunder Mifflin wrote:
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"and that is why we are the easiest to succeed."
You need to either go back to school or lay off that five dollar a bottle whiskey.
The US IS NOT a capitalist country. It is a mix of capitalism and socialism.
Everything from public schools to airports to city water and sewer utilities to Social Security to food stamps are SOCIALISTIC programs. The US is more socialistic than capitalistic now.
Get used to it.
Read my prior entry slower and see I said that.
Robin

Dallas, TX

#10 Apr 28, 2012
jw in the grove wrote:
<quoted text>Read my prior entry slower and see I said that.
You shouldn't drink and post at the same time.

Since: Jul 08

Saint Paul, MN

#11 Apr 28, 2012
"Yes every country has socialist type programs like the successfull SSI, medicare etc.... "

You are not the sharpest knife in the drawer are you?
Dunder Mifflin

Chambersburg, PA

#12 Apr 29, 2012
jw in the grove wrote:
"Yes every country has socialist type programs like the successfull SSI, medicare etc.... "
You are not the sharpest knife in the drawer are you?
Good, so you finally admit that you support socialism!
goose

Carol Stream, IL

#13 Apr 29, 2012
bottom line; socialism is just the next logical step in the progression towards communism.

I do agree that not all social programs are bad. Problem is they want to do more and more until it is communism. We are on that path.

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#14 Apr 29, 2012
My husband of 30 years grew up and lived in East Germany. He is appalled that so many in this great country would embrace socialism. When he listens to Obama speak he says it is the exact thing that he heard about America from the East German Government on the TV, in the classroom, etc.
Why do so many want to place these shackles upon themselves and give our government so much power over them?
Consistent

Grantsburg, WI

#15 Apr 29, 2012
jw in the grove wrote:
<quoted text>Read my prior entry slower and see I said that.
You do know that you are conversing with the Scourge of Seattle, and her multiple isp/names/personalities.
Notice to Liberals

Saint Paul, MN

#16 Apr 29, 2012
Nurse Pam wrote:
I was talking recently with a new friend who I’m just getting to know. She tends to be somewhat conservative, while I lean more toward the progressive side.
When our conversation drifted to politics, somehow the dreaded word “socialism” came up. My friend seemed totally shocked when I said “All socialism isn’t bad”. She became very serious and replied “So you want to take money away from the rich and give to the poor?” I smiled and said “No, not at all. Why do you think socialism mean taking money from the rich and giving to the poor?
“Well it is, isn’t it?” was her reply.
I explained to her that I rather liked something called Democratic Socialism, just as Senator Bernie Sanders, talk show host Thom Hartman, and many other people do. Democratic Socialism consists of a democratic form of government with a mix of socialism and capitalism. I proceeded to explain to her the actual meaning terms “democracy” and “socialism”.
Democracy is a form of government in which all citizens take part. It is government of the people, by the people, and for the people.
Socialism is where we all put our resources together and work for the common good of us all and not just for our own benefit. In this sense, we are sharing the wealth within society.
Of course when people hear that term,“Share the wealth” they start screaming,“OMG you want to rob from the rich and give it all to the poor!” But that is NOT what Democratic Socialism means.
To a Democratic Socialist, sharing the wealth means pooling tax money together to design social programs that benefit ALL citizens of that country, city, state, etc.
The fire and police departments are both excellent examples of Democratic Socialism in America. Rather than leaving each individual responsible for protecting their own home from fire, everyone pools their money together, through taxes, to maintain a fire and police department. It’s operated under a non-profit status, and yes, your tax dollars pay for putting out other people’s fires. It would almost seem absurd to think of some corporation profiting from putting out fires. But it’s more efficient and far less expensive to have government run fire departments funded by tax dollars.
Similarly, public education is another social program in the USA. It benefits all of us to have a taxpayer supported, publicly run education system. Unfortunately, in America, the public education system ends with high school. Most of Europe now provides low cost or free college education for their citizens. This is because their citizens understand that an educated society is a safer, more productive and more prosperous society. Living in such a society, everyone benefits from public education.
"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." -- Winston Churchill

“Liberty and Justice For ALL!”

Since: Apr 12

Green Bay, WI

#17 Apr 29, 2012
goose wrote:
bottom line; socialism is just the next logical step in the progression towards communism.
I do agree that not all social programs are bad. Problem is they want to do more and more until it is communism. We are on that path.
That has to rate as the stupidest post I've read today.

Almost ALL countries have socialistic programs now, yet the number of communist countries has declined to only a handful.

“Liberty and Justice For ALL!”

Since: Apr 12

Green Bay, WI

#18 Apr 29, 2012
PunkindoodIe wrote:
My husband of 30 years grew up and lived in East Germany. He is appalled that so many in this great country would embrace socialism. When he listens to Obama speak he says it is the exact thing that he heard about America from the East German Government on the TV, in the classroom, etc.
Why do so many want to place these shackles upon themselves and give our government so much power over them?
East Germany was a COMMUNIST country.
Germany is a SOCIALIST country.

If your husband REALLY lived there he would know the difference.

Since: Aug 10

Here

#20 Apr 29, 2012
Now if the takers of other peoples money could only name just one country in history where it worked and it didn't bring the country to it's knees in debt.. hey.. we'd all be for it.

The things about socialism... sooner or later you run out of other peoples money... then what?

Because of Capitalism... America has the richest poor people in the world. They live a lifestyle equivalent to the upper middle class in socialist countries... why do they come here?
Barstow Bill

Miami, FL

#21 Apr 29, 2012
Aint My America wrote:
Now if the takers of other peoples money could only name just one country in history where it worked and it didn't bring the country to it's knees in debt.. hey.. we'd all be for it.
The things about socialism... sooner or later you run out of other peoples money... then what?
Because of Capitalism... America has the richest poor people in the world. They live a lifestyle equivalent to the upper middle class in socialist countries... why do they come here?
Pretty much every country in the world - including the US - incorporates socialism into their philosophy.

Since: Aug 10

Here

#22 Apr 29, 2012
Barstow Bill wrote:
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Pretty much every country in the world - including the US - incorporates socialism into their philosophy.
So what are you saying?... We should incorporate it more?
Bill

South Bend, IN

#23 Apr 29, 2012
Aint My America wrote:
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So what are you saying?... We should incorporate it more?
Now you are catching on!

Look at the cost of health care in Canada - or any other first world country - and compare it to the cost of health care in the US. Note that the overall quality of health care is better in those countries as well.

Better health care at a lower cost is a no-brainer!

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