Hiway 36 Carnage Gateway Trail

Hiway 36 Carnage Gateway Trail

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Truth hurts

Delano, MN

#1 Jul 30, 2011
Another fatal pedestrian accident on highway 36 at 120 (Century Ave). That makes it 2 fatal pedestrian accidents in as many years.

And Senator Wiger and Rep Lillie just had to have a bridge over 120 for the Gateway Trail because there were "Close Calls" at the trail crossing at 120.

So now we have a wonderful MULIT-MILLION dollar bridge over 120 at highway 36 and there are a continuing carnage os pedestrian accidents on highway 36.

In all Honesty this is asinine with the OBVIOUS NEED for a bridge over/under 36 and the elected IDIOTS building a bridge over 120 for the Gateway trail, BECAUSE, according to Chuck Wiger and Leon Lillie, there were "Close Calls" at the Gateway trail crossing of 120.

Stupid cannot be fixed!!!

PEOPLE ARE DIEING OUT THERE GUYS!!!

Guess they don't really care.
Who cares

Delano, MN

#2 Jul 30, 2011
Truth hurts wrote:
Another fatal pedestrian accident on highway 36 at 120 (Century Ave). That makes it 2 fatal pedestrian accidents in as many years.
And Senator Wiger and Rep Lillie just had to have a bridge over 120 for the Gateway Trail because there were "Close Calls" at the trail crossing at 120.
So now we have a wonderful MULIT-MILLION dollar bridge over 120 at highway 36 and there are a continuing carnage os pedestrian accidents on highway 36.
In all Honesty this is asinine with the OBVIOUS NEED for a bridge over/under 36 and the elected IDIOTS building a bridge over 120 for the Gateway trail, BECAUSE, according to Chuck Wiger and Leon Lillie, there were "Close Calls" at the Gateway trail crossing of 120.
Stupid cannot be fixed!!!
PEOPLE ARE DIEING OUT THERE GUYS!!!
Guess they don't really care.
In both cases of fatal accidents on 36 there were young people who didn't use a lick of sense. Neither case ended up with the driver of the car being cited, the pedestrians just crossed in the dark against the traffic light, ya can't fix dumb!!!

And there are 40,000 vehicles that use highway 36 EVERY DAY so if someone ignores the traffic control light so be it!!

Idiots is all they are, the jene pool gets stronger every time one of these accidents occurs! DOn't get me wrong I feel for the dead and loved ones but WHO IS TO BLAME??
Capt Cruch

Minneapolis, MN

#4 Jul 31, 2011
Truth hurts wrote:
Another fatal pedestrian accident on highway 36 at 120 (Century Ave). That makes it 2 fatal pedestrian accidents in as many years.
And Senator Wiger and Rep Lillie just had to have a bridge over 120 for the Gateway Trail because there were "Close Calls" at the trail crossing at 120.
So now we have a wonderful MULIT-MILLION dollar bridge over 120 at highway 36 and there are a continuing carnage os pedestrian accidents on highway 36.
In all Honesty this is asinine with the OBVIOUS NEED for a bridge over/under 36 and the elected IDIOTS building a bridge over 120 for the Gateway trail, BECAUSE, according to Chuck Wiger and Leon Lillie, there were "Close Calls" at the Gateway trail crossing of 120.
Stupid cannot be fixed!!!
PEOPLE ARE DIEING OUT THERE GUYS!!!
Guess they don't really care.
So a drunk woman with no common sense walks out past a red light after being warned that cars were coming and gets killed - and you think it is the GOVERNMENT'S problem?

If you follow that logic, all intersections should be grade-separated, even those in the city.

And the moron that jumped over the railing of the Wabasha Street bridge because "he didn't know that there was no place to land on the other side of the railing" - should we put up barbed wire fences on every bridge to prevent this from happening.

Friday I watched a guy texting on his cell phone walk right in to a sign post because he was too busy texting to watch where he was going. By your logic, we should put padding on every sign post to "protect" pedestrians.

As a previous poster said - you can't fix stupid. Stupid people will find ways to do stupid things no matter how many precautions are taken.
Truth hurts

Minneapolis, MN

#5 Jul 31, 2011
There are many factors that cause accidents. This intersection had another fatal pedestrian accident last year.

Fact of the matter is the stop light at the intersection is very long favoring the highway 36 traffic. So pedestrians are tempted to cross against the light instead of waiting at the curb while getting bitten by Minnesota's state bird.

Add in the location of a DQ at that intersection as a magnet for people causing lots of pedestrian traffic crossing 36 and added risk of accidents involving pedestrians.

2 fatal pedestrian accidents in 2 years is a pretty good indication of a failed intersection.

You naysayers are ignoring the FACT that the Gateway bridge over 120 was constructed based on a "couple of near misses", according to Senator Chuck Wiger.

I have observed the traffic on the Gateway trail and there is virtual none in winter months and not very much even in the summer considering there is no traffic when weather conditions are hot, wet, might be hot/wet.

Meanwhile each and every day there are 40,000 motor vehicles driving through the 120/36 intersection OR 14,600,000 (forteen million six hundred thousand a year.

We have now had 2 (TWO) fatalities on Highway 36 so it's HIGH TIME to build a bridge over/under 36 OR the killing will go on and on.

Will you only consider it a problem when one of your relatives is killed?

I thought so.
Capt Crunch

Minneapolis, MN

#6 Jul 31, 2011
Truth hurts wrote:
There are many factors that cause accidents. This intersection had another fatal pedestrian accident last year.
Fact of the matter is the stop light at the intersection is very long favoring the highway 36 traffic. So pedestrians are tempted to cross against the light instead of waiting at the curb while getting bitten by Minnesota's state bird.
Add in the location of a DQ at that intersection as a magnet for people causing lots of pedestrian traffic crossing 36 and added risk of accidents involving pedestrians.
2 fatal pedestrian accidents in 2 years is a pretty good indication of a failed intersection.
You naysayers are ignoring the FACT that the Gateway bridge over 120 was constructed based on a "couple of near misses", according to Senator Chuck Wiger.
I have observed the traffic on the Gateway trail and there is virtual none in winter months and not very much even in the summer considering there is no traffic when weather conditions are hot, wet, might be hot/wet.
Meanwhile each and every day there are 40,000 motor vehicles driving through the 120/36 intersection OR 14,600,000 (forteen million six hundred thousand a year.
We have now had 2 (TWO) fatalities on Highway 36 so it's HIGH TIME to build a bridge over/under 36 OR the killing will go on and on.
Will you only consider it a problem when one of your relatives is killed?
I thought so.
So a drunk woman with no common sense walks out past a red light after being warned that cars were coming and gets killed - and you think it is the GOVERNMENT'S problem?

If you follow that logic, all intersections should be grade-separated, even those in the city.

And the moron that jumped over the railing of the Wabasha Street bridge because "he didn't know that there was no place to land on the other side of the railing" - should we put up barbed wire fences on every bridge to prevent this from happening.

Friday I watched a guy texting on his cell phone walk right in to a sign post because he was too busy texting to watch where he was going. By your logic, we should put padding on every sign post to "protect" pedestrians.

As a previous poster said - you can't fix stupid. Stupid people will find ways to do stupid things no matter how many precautions are taken.

Since: Apr 08

Twin Cities

#8 Jul 31, 2011
Truth hurts wrote:
Another fatal pedestrian accident on highway 36 at 120 (Century Ave). That makes it 2 fatal pedestrian accidents in as many years.
And Senator Wiger and Rep Lillie just had to have a bridge over 120 for the Gateway Trail because there were "Close Calls" at the trail crossing at 120.
So now we have a wonderful MULIT-MILLION dollar bridge over 120 at highway 36 and there are a continuing carnage os pedestrian accidents on highway 36.
In all Honesty this is asinine with the OBVIOUS NEED for a bridge over/under 36 and the elected IDIOTS building a bridge over 120 for the Gateway trail, BECAUSE, according to Chuck Wiger and Leon Lillie, there were "Close Calls" at the Gateway trail crossing of 120.
Stupid cannot be fixed!!!
PEOPLE ARE DIEING OUT THERE GUYS!!!
Guess they don't really care.
Who are the "they" that don't care?

The Gateway walk over 120 at 36 always seemed to me to be an expensive and unnecessary project. There are traffic lights that direct pedestrians when to cross, and as pointed out, if there ever was a need for an overwalk it would have been far more useful over 36 instead of over 120. While it's tempting to blame someone other than the pedestrian, the sad fact is that the pedestrian chose to cross against the light, putting herself and even worse, her child, in harm's way.
Truth hurts

Delano, MN

#9 Jul 31, 2011
ZenBirdist wrote:
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Who are the "they" that don't care?
The Gateway walk over 120 at 36 always seemed to me to be an expensive and unnecessary project. There are traffic lights that direct pedestrians when to cross, and as pointed out, if there ever was a need for an overwalk it would have been far more useful over 36 instead of over 120. While it's tempting to blame someone other than the pedestrian, the sad fact is that the pedestrian chose to cross against the light, putting herself and even worse, her child, in harm's way.
The "they who don't care" would be Mn State Rep Leon Lillie and Mn State Senator Chuck Wiger.

They are the ones who insisted on the bridge to nowhere for the Gateway Trail over 120 at 36. The reason the bridge was needed according to Wiger was there were "near misses" at the Gateway Trail crossing over 120. So the multimillions dollar bridge had to be built.

Fact of the matter is we now have 2 dead pedestrians, oh ya one was drunk and ignored warnings of traffic but there are many drunks in this world and if it's open season on drunks then let's have COPs sit outside bars and shoot them all as they stumble out at closing. That way innocent drivers wouldn't be stuck with the guilt associated with running over a person,(drunk).

This situation goes back to when Government designed the new highway 36 through North Saint Paul. They really phocked up the entire project. There should have been a bridge over 36 at 120 just like the one at Margaret street. Rumor has it the owner of the DQ at 120 and 36 wanted NOTHING to do with losing his PRIME spot to sell his Dairy treats. So residents and visitors alike are stuck with a killing intersection that controls a freeway volume traffic of 40,000 vehicles a day.

AND pedestrian customers of the DQ are faced with crossing a very busy and high speed highway if they need to cross 36 to the south.

You cannot fix stupid elected officials, they just sit on their arses passing stupid laws in this case resulting in killings at that intersection.

Blood on their hands.

Of course you probably noticed North Saint Paul flooded last week because of more ignorant civic leaders, the engineer who designed the flood mitigation plan is now retired living on Bald Eagle lake living the good life. Meanwhile North Saint Paul wallows in sewerage water.

Since: Jul 08

Saint Paul, MN

#10 Jul 31, 2011
Truth hurts wrote:
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The "they who don't care" would be Mn State Rep Leon Lillie and Mn State Senator Chuck Wiger.
They are the ones who insisted on the bridge to nowhere for the Gateway Trail over 120 at 36. The reason the bridge was needed according to Wiger was there were "near misses" at the Gateway Trail crossing over 120. So the multimillions dollar bridge had to be built.
Fact of the matter is we now have 2 dead pedestrians, oh ya one was drunk and ignored warnings of traffic but there are many drunks in this world and if it's open season on drunks then let's have COPs sit outside bars and shoot them all as they stumble out at closing. That way innocent drivers wouldn't be stuck with the guilt associated with running over a person,(drunk).
This situation goes back to when Government designed the new highway 36 through North Saint Paul. They really phocked up the entire project. There should have been a bridge over 36 at 120 just like the one at Margaret street. Rumor has it the owner of the DQ at 120 and 36 wanted NOTHING to do with losing his PRIME spot to sell his Dairy treats. So residents and visitors alike are stuck with a killing intersection that controls a freeway volume traffic of 40,000 vehicles a day.
AND pedestrian customers of the DQ are faced with crossing a very busy and high speed highway if they need to cross 36 to the south.
You cannot fix stupid elected officials, they just sit on their arses passing stupid laws in this case resulting in killings at that intersection.
Blood on their hands.
Of course you probably noticed North Saint Paul flooded last week because of more ignorant civic leaders, the engineer who designed the flood mitigation plan is now retired living on Bald Eagle lake living the good life. Meanwhile North Saint Paul wallows in sewerage water.
more stimulus money wasted for no reason.

http://www.startribune.com/local/west/4772956...

Since: Apr 08

Twin Cities

#11 Jul 31, 2011
Truth hurts wrote:
<quoted text>
The "they who don't care" would be Mn State Rep Leon Lillie and Mn State Senator Chuck Wiger.
They are the ones who insisted on the bridge to nowhere for the Gateway Trail over 120 at 36. The reason the bridge was needed according to Wiger was there were "near misses" at the Gateway Trail crossing over 120. So the multimillions dollar bridge had to be built.
Fact of the matter is we now have 2 dead pedestrians, oh ya one was drunk and ignored warnings of traffic but there are many drunks in this world and if it's open season on drunks then let's have COPs sit outside bars and shoot them all as they stumble out at closing. That way innocent drivers wouldn't be stuck with the guilt associated with running over a person,(drunk).
This situation goes back to when Government designed the new highway 36 through North Saint Paul. They really phocked up the entire project. There should have been a bridge over 36 at 120 just like the one at Margaret street. Rumor has it the owner of the DQ at 120 and 36 wanted NOTHING to do with losing his PRIME spot to sell his Dairy treats. So residents and visitors alike are stuck with a killing intersection that controls a freeway volume traffic of 40,000 vehicles a day.
AND pedestrian customers of the DQ are faced with crossing a very busy and high speed highway if they need to cross 36 to the south.
You cannot fix stupid elected officials, they just sit on their arses passing stupid laws in this case resulting in killings at that intersection.
Blood on their hands.
Of course you probably noticed North Saint Paul flooded last week because of more ignorant civic leaders, the engineer who designed the flood mitigation plan is now retired living on Bald Eagle lake living the good life. Meanwhile North Saint Paul wallows in sewerage water.
Interesting! At the time of the Gateway bridge's inception, had there been any pedestrian deaths, or did the deaths come after the bridge had been erected? I'd be very curious to know the answer.

"Rumor has it" isn't enough to indict the DQ owner for any pedestrian deaths. "Rumor has it" is responsible for a lot of trouble.

You seem to be a little emotional on this subject, my friend.(I refer specifically to, "oh ya one was drunk and ignored warnings of traffic but there are many drunks in this world and if it's open season on drunks then let's have COPs sit outside bars and shoot them all as they stumble out at closing.") An intoxicated adult chooses to walk across a busy highway, and chooses to do so against the lights. At what point, in your opinion, do the consequences become the fault of that person who made those poor decisions? I'm sad for the child who could have been killed along with her mother. I'm sad for the driver who hit them. I'm sad for the families of both.

All that said, had the pedestrian crossed with the lights which were in working order, then this discussion wouldn't have had to happen. Very sad, but very true.
Truth hurts

Delano, MN

#12 Jul 31, 2011
ZenBirdist wrote:
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Interesting! At the time of the Gateway bridge's inception, had there been any pedestrian deaths, or did the deaths come after the bridge had been erected? I'd be very curious to know the answer.
"Rumor has it" isn't enough to indict the DQ owner for any pedestrian deaths. "Rumor has it" is responsible for a lot of trouble.
You seem to be a little emotional on this subject, my friend.(I refer specifically to, "oh ya one was drunk and ignored warnings of traffic but there are many drunks in this world and if it's open season on drunks then let's have COPs sit outside bars and shoot them all as they stumble out at closing.") An intoxicated adult chooses to walk across a busy highway, and chooses to do so against the lights. At what point, in your opinion, do the consequences become the fault of that person who made those poor decisions? I'm sad for the child who could have been killed along with her mother. I'm sad for the driver who hit them. I'm sad for the families of both.
All that said, had the pedestrian crossed with the lights which were in working order, then this discussion wouldn't have had to happen. Very sad, but very true.
The bridge is over 120 and the 2 deaths have occurred on 36 and one death was during bridge construction the other the bridge was in place.

The rumor regarding the owner of the DQ was a result of third hand information indicating the owner of the DQ was very opposed to any change to the intersection that would force his DQ to be moved or closed, I do trust the source of the rumor as she is close friend. I understand the DQ owners concern because the DQ is his cash cow.

However he doesn't appreciate the customers he loses as a result of his position on the 120/36 intersection, not counting the ones having been killed at the intersection. Example: I have not done any business at the DQ since hearing about his opposition to a grade seperation intersection at 120/36. My family used to visit the DQ regularly.

And think of the business he has lost when people hear about these numerous fatal accidents at the intersection.

I'll be the first to place blame when people do stupid stuff but there are circumstances that can cause people to make bad decisions resulting in their deaths, and remember this is NOT the first fatal pedestrian accident at this intersection. AND there have been numerous motor vehicle accidents at this same intersection with serious injuries.

The injury involved accidents are underreported by the local press because Rep Leon Lillie's family owns the Ramsey County Review (the local newspaper) and they tend to minimize blame pointed at Leon.

And elected officials do make mistakes just like drunks, in fact some are drunks. There are very dangerous features designed by the Government and some kill people. IMHO this intersection is one of them.
Truth hurts

Delano, MN

#14 Jul 31, 2011
surfer joe wrote:
<quoted text> So it’s a magnet for people, how many do you think have crossed safley in the last two years 50 ? 100? may be 1000 ? and so far one while under construction and one drunk, yeah they better build the bridge, especially for the drunks, what an idiot you are. You’re a better example of can’t fix stupid than the drunk that got killed.
We all know it's not about how may cross safely but the number killed.

The first killing was during construction but the construction had NOTHING to do with the killing. You see the construction was over 120 and had no impact on the killing.

And you ignore the motor vehicle wrecks a the same intersection AND other intersections on 120 because of traffic backups on 120 because of the very slow light favoring 36 traffic.

Since: Apr 08

Twin Cities

#15 Jul 31, 2011
Truth hurts wrote:
<quoted text>
We all know it's not about how may cross safely but the number killed.
The first killing was during construction but the construction had NOTHING to do with the killing. You see the construction was over 120 and had no impact on the killing.
And you ignore the motor vehicle wrecks a the same intersection AND other intersections on 120 because of traffic backups on 120 because of the very slow light favoring 36 traffic.
Wouldn't the simplest and most logical solution, then, be to adjust the timing on the traffic signals?
Margin of Error

Minneapolis, MN

#16 Jul 31, 2011
Truth hurts wrote:
<quoted text>
We all know it's not about how may cross safely but the number killed.
The first killing was during construction but the construction had NOTHING to do with the killing. You see the construction was over 120 and had no impact on the killing.
And you ignore the motor vehicle wrecks a the same intersection AND other intersections on 120 because of traffic backups on 120 because of the very slow light favoring 36 traffic.
It is simply The Thinning Of The Herd.

Tends to weed stupid out of the gene pool. That is when not interfered with by hand-wringing politics.
Truth hurts

Long Lake, MN

#17 Jul 31, 2011
ZenBirdist wrote:
<quoted text>
Wouldn't the simplest and most logical solution, then, be to adjust the timing on the traffic signals?
The timing is adjusted to allow 40,000+ vehicles a day on 36 to quickly pass through the intersection. IF the timing were adjusted to allow more flow on 120 to cross 36 the heavy 36 traffic would back up for miles.

As it is even the comparably light traffic on 120 backs up past Silver lake on the north and past 7th Ave on the south.

The Government is making the flow on 120 suffer allowing the 40,000+ vehicles to make the best time.

Meanwhile 120/100/Century/Division/Genev a on the west side of town is a 6 lane freeway. Ever wonder why the west side of the TWin Cities grows and the east side stagnates?

It's called the Wigert/Lillie mentality, fools.
Capt Crunch

Minneapolis, MN

#18 Jul 31, 2011
So a drunk woman with no common sense walks out past a red light after being warned that cars were coming and gets killed - and you think it is the GOVERNMENT'S problem?

If you follow that logic, all intersections should be grade-separated, even those in the city.

And the moron that jumped over the railing of the Wabasha Street bridge because "he didn't know that there was no place to land on the other side of the railing" - should we put up barbed wire fences on every bridge to prevent this from happening.

Friday I watched a guy texting on his cell phone walk right in to a sign post because he was too busy texting to watch where he was going. By your logic, we should put padding on every sign post to "protect" pedestrians.

As a previous poster said - you can't fix stupid. Stupid people will find ways to do stupid things no matter how many precautions are taken.

Since: Jun 11

Saint Paul, MN

#19 Jul 31, 2011
Truth hurts wrote:
<quoted text>
The timing is adjusted to allow 40,000+ vehicles a day on 36 to quickly pass through the intersection. IF the timing were adjusted to allow more flow on 120 to cross 36 the heavy 36 traffic would back up for miles.
As it is even the comparably light traffic on 120 backs up past Silver lake on the north and past 7th Ave on the south.
The Government is making the flow on 120 suffer allowing the 40,000+ vehicles to make the best time.
Meanwhile 120/100/Century/Division/Genev a on the west side of town is a 6 lane freeway. Ever wonder why the west side of the TWin Cities grows and the east side stagnates?
It's called the Wigert/Lillie mentality, fools.
Give it up Truth.

Since: Apr 08

Twin Cities

#20 Jul 31, 2011
Truth hurts wrote:
<quoted text>
Meanwhile 120/100/Century/Division/Genev a on the west side of town is a 6 lane freeway. Ever wonder why the west side of the TWin Cities grows and the east side stagnates?
It's called the Wigert/Lillie mentality, fools.
It's been a while since I lived on Century Ave, but I don't recall 100 being a part of it. Hwy 100 is west of Minneapolis; which 100 are you thinking of?) The county line road known as 120 (Century, Division, Geneva) is in the east metro, is most certainly NOT a freeway, and to my best recollection doesn't maintain 6 lanes anywhere on its stretch. Please, do correct me if I'm in error here.

Since: Apr 08

Twin Cities

#21 Jul 31, 2011
Truth hurts wrote:
<quoted text>
The timing is adjusted to allow 40,000+ vehicles a day on 36 to quickly pass through the intersection. IF the timing were adjusted to allow more flow on 120 to cross 36 the heavy 36 traffic would back up for miles.
As it is even the comparably light traffic on 120 backs up past Silver lake on the north and past 7th Ave on the south.
The Government is making the flow on 120 suffer allowing the 40,000+ vehicles to make the best time.
Meanwhile 120/100/Century/Division/Genev a on the west side of town is a 6 lane freeway. Ever wonder why the west side of the TWin Cities grows and the east side stagnates?
It's called the Wigert/Lillie mentality, fools.
Okay, Bob, I just checked a map to refresh my memory and I still don't follow you. Are you familiar with 120, not just the 36 intersection, but the length of 120 as it runs from 94 to White Bear Lake?
Truth hurts

Minneapolis, MN

#22 Jul 31, 2011
ZenBirdist wrote:
<quoted text>
It's been a while since I lived on Century Ave, but I don't recall 100 being a part of it. Hwy 100 is west of Minneapolis; which 100 are you thinking of?) The county line road known as 120 (Century, Division, Geneva) is in the east metro, is most certainly NOT a freeway, and to my best recollection doesn't maintain 6 lanes anywhere on its stretch. Please, do correct me if I'm in error here.
A bit of history.

Back in the day highway 100 was a belt line and ran around the Twin Cities, a loop.

Talking about a 6 lane freeway called highway 100 on the west side I was comparing what the west side did as opposed to what east side highway 100/Century/Geneva/Division/12 0 currently looks like, it is nothing more than a busy 2 lane county road with tons of driveways and roads terminating on it along with stop lights.

The east side 100 was renamed Century because of the highway 100 designation, 100 = Century.

100 also has been renamed all those other names by various towns. Looking back the east side 100 should have been made into a freeway just like the west side 100. IF that freeway was available traffic would move with more ease and the east side would have developed with more jobs and a more advanced civilization/development.

The current stop light intersection at 120 and 36 is pretty rediculas, think about it. 40,000+ vehicles per day are faced with a stop light. Meanwhile the Government is constructing multimillion dollar freeway interchanges in Virginia, Mn where a close friend lives and he says a rush hour on that highway is when you see ONE car on the way to work.

Government isn't just broken it is flat out failed!!

My same friend from the Iron Range made a trip to the cities this spring when there was a pot whole in 35E south of Maryland that was breaking vehicles. And a day later the whole wasn't yet fixed. My friend was amazed at the incompetance. Here ya got I35E with over 150,000 vehicles a day using it and there right in the middle is a vehicle breaking WHOLE, unfixed for days!!!

Minnesota just sucks!
Truth hurts

Minneapolis, MN

#24 Jul 31, 2011
surfer joe wrote:
<quoted text> What the hell does a pedestrian bridge have to do with the number of accidents at the intersection, the bottom line is two dead, both preventable by the people who were killed, like i said twice before CAN’T FIX STUPID.
Government does all kinds of stuff to fix stupid. A good example is the construction of TALL fences on Highway 61 near the McDonalds on the north side of White Bear Lake. Also following the death of a pedestrian on the newly improved highway 36 near McKnigt road, sober kid was killed. Once that occurred SHORT fences were installed, never could figure out why WBL kids get TALL fences and NSP kids get short fences, another subject.

Also consider the tunnel under Margaret street along side of Highway 36, that cost millions so the Gateway Trail users don't need to stop at Margaret. An avid biker friend tells me that was 100% waste of money, NO NEED.

I agree you cannot fix stupid politicians OR pedestrians BUT Government is picking which stupid folks they protect and don't.

I'll make a guess "going forward", as the idiots say today because there is NO GOING BACKWARD, there WILL BE MORE fatal and serious injury accidents at the crossing at highway 36 and 120.

The next injured person MIGHT be a relative of yours.

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