Another high quality union shop

Another high quality union shop

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non-starter

Saint Paul, MN

#1 Feb 14, 2013
St. Paul crime lab plagued by widespread lack of scientific knowledge, consultants say
Article by: CHAO XIONG , Star Tribune
Updated: February 14, 2013 - 1:58 PM

Two consultants found a widespread lack of scientific knowledge at the police crime lab.

Independent reviews of St. Paul police's troubled crime lab found widespread failings in staff skills, poor maintenance of testing instruments and confusing and illegible lab reports, according to documents released Thursday.

All aspects of the lab's work were reviewed last year after two public defenders challenged its scientific credibility in drug cases, prompting major changes that have slowly unfolded over the last several months. Integrated Forensic Laboratories reviewed 100 controlled substance cases tested by the lab, and found that "the analyses conducted by the St. Paul Police Department Crime Lab did not meet the minimal reporting requirements that are generally accepted by the forensic chemistry community."

"Errors were noted in the majority of case files examined, ranging from minor typographical errors to misidentification of a controlled substance," according to a report written by Integrated Forensic Laboratories (IFL). "Substances were identified using methods that were inadequate or blatantly wrong... Reports greatly overstated the results and the reporting language was not standardized."
Amused Slew

Seattle, WA

#2 Feb 14, 2013
It's NOT my job to pretend union workers aren't human and capable of mistakes, BUT where in your article did it identify ANY UNIONS ??? Be sure and identify the specific union, worker, and pay grade...

Because, I did find they're underfunded...

The renovated lab will cost $1.5 million a year to run. The lab's previous annual budget was about $800,000.

Gee, buy me a Mercedes S class, your budget is 2k, I know you can do it, because you non-union guys are cheaper(and so is your product).

Still waiting for your Iraq payment=YOUR LEADERSHIP, right ?
Amused Slew

Minneapolis, MN

#3 Feb 14, 2013
Yeah! Just because everyone involved with the problems is a union member and they have been protected by the unions doesn't mean anything, right Slewsie? Just like the Hostess union members voting down the contract offers did not mean it is their fault the company closed down. Coincidences happen.
Amused Slew

Seattle, WA

#4 Feb 14, 2013
Coincidences, like management NOT honoring the contract and funding worker's pension plans ??

Sure, whatever seem right to a wing nut!

Stick with the gay schtick, it's more your maturity level. LMAOROTFU~!
Amused Slew

Minneapolis, MN

#5 Feb 14, 2013
Amused Slew wrote:
Coincidences, like management NOT honoring the contract and funding worker's pension plans ??
Sure, whatever seem right to a wing nut!
Stick with the gay schtick, it's more your maturity level. LMAOROTFU~!
The Spell Check Queen is going to loose here job. "Seem" like she is flustered this evening. Too bad for my gay Slewsie.
Amused Slew

Seattle, WA

#6 Feb 14, 2013
Really ?? No comments on the risk faced by unprofessional strike breakers getting hurt on the job ?? Funny, OSHA is in on it NOW ~!!!?
Amused Slew

Seattle, WA

#7 Feb 14, 2013
Amused Slew wrote:
<quoted text>
The Spell Check Queen is going to loose here job. "Seem" like she is flustered this evening. Too bad for my gay Slewsie.
Coincidences takes care of the pluralization, so seem right is actually correct. Too bad, but nice try, dummy guy. LMAOROTFu~! "Man", do I get paid to "school" you ?
Amused Slew

Seattle, WA

#8 Feb 14, 2013
Yeah, what "ware" ? "tpoix" seems "right" ??? "plese" ???

Poor childish moron, we should wager on who makes the most mistakes, as if you're a man....

The loser(you) WELSHES ~!!!!
Amused Slew

Minneapolis, MN

#9 Feb 14, 2013
Amused Slew wrote:
Yeah, what "ware" ? "tpoix" seems "right" ??? "plese" ???
Poor childish moron, we should wager on who makes the most mistakes, as if you're a man....
The loser(you) WELSHES ~!!!!
That's my Spell Check Queen. You go gurl!
Seattle Slew have at it

Saint Paul, MN

#10 Feb 14, 2013
ALL state employees are Union members.

AND the y will ALL get a 2%- 6.5% pay increase no matter how they perform.
non-starter

Saint Paul, MN

#11 Feb 15, 2013
Amused Slew wrote:
It's NOT my job to pretend union workers aren't human and capable of mistakes, BUT where in your article did it identify ANY UNIONS ??? Be sure and identify the specific union, worker, and pay grade...
Because, I did find they're underfunded...
The renovated lab will cost $1.5 million a year to run. The lab's previous annual budget was about $800,000.
Gee, buy me a Mercedes S class, your budget is 2k, I know you can do it, because you non-union guys are cheaper(and so is your product).
Still waiting for your Iraq payment=YOUR LEADERSHIP, right ?
Once again, the union protected incompetent workers. Guilty criminals will have to be let out on technicalities, and even worse, potentially innocent people were locked up. The liability of the City of St Paul won't stop at overturning verdicts, they will have civil liabilities as a result of locking up innocent citizens.

There have been known problems in that lab for years, but because of union rules, it has been too hard to get rid of the incompetent staff.

Underfunded? A renovated lab will have different equipment, different functions, and a different budget to run that equipment.

Unions, making the world safer for incompetent workers.
non-starter

Saint Paul, MN

#12 Feb 15, 2013
So look for, the union label, and your conviction will be overturned.
Amused Slew

Seattle, WA

#13 Feb 15, 2013
So, you offer NO ACTUAL PROOF, like all of your pointless slurs ???

Thanks, I expected more of your BS rhetoric, moron....

It's NOT my job to pretend union workers aren't human and capable of mistakes, BUT where in your article did it identify ANY UNIONS ??? Be sure and identify the specific union, worker, and pay grade...
Because, I did find they're underfunded...
The renovated lab will cost $1.5 million a year to run. The lab's previous annual budget was about $800,000.
Gee, buy me a Mercedes S class, your budget is 2k, I know you can do it, because you non-union guys are cheaper(and so is your product).

Still waiting for your Iraq payment=YOUR LEADERSHIP, right ?
non-starter

Saint Paul, MN

#14 Feb 15, 2013
Amused Slew wrote:
So, you offer NO ACTUAL PROOF, like all of your pointless slurs ???
Thanks, I expected more of your BS rhetoric, moron....
It's NOT my job to pretend union workers aren't human and capable of mistakes, BUT where in your article did it identify ANY UNIONS ??? Be sure and identify the specific union, worker, and pay grade...
Because, I did find they're underfunded...
The renovated lab will cost $1.5 million a year to run. The lab's previous annual budget was about $800,000.
Gee, buy me a Mercedes S class, your budget is 2k, I know you can do it, because you non-union guys are cheaper(and so is your product).
Still waiting for your Iraq payment=YOUR LEADERSHIP, right ?
Unions, making the world safer for incompetent workers.
Amused Slew

Seattle, WA

#15 Feb 15, 2013
Blather, the refuge of refuge...

Poor non-sense...

Stealing the pay from American workers, while you lie !~!!

Care to explain the Hostess PENSIONS ???
non-starter

Saint Paul, MN

#16 Feb 15, 2013
Amused Slew wrote:
It's NOT my job to pretend union workers aren't human and capable of mistakes, BUT where in your article did it identify ANY UNIONS ??? Be sure and identify the specific union, worker, and pay grade...
Because, I did find they're underfunded...
The renovated lab will cost $1.5 million a year to run. The lab's previous annual budget was about $800,000.
Gee, buy me a Mercedes S class, your budget is 2k, I know you can do it, because you non-union guys are cheaper(and so is your product).
Still waiting for your Iraq payment=YOUR LEADERSHIP, right ?
Please show your work Slewche. Prove the underfunding. I don't believe you can find a story anywhere claiming underfunding, but go ahead, make your pitiful case.

"The St. Paul City Council released more than $1 million in extra funding to the crime lab last week.

Chief Smith said the police did not provide copies of the reports to the city council prior to the meeting in which the council released the money.

The police were still reviewing the reports last week and did not have them ready for public viewing until now, said St. Paul Police spokesman Howie Padilla.

The police department plans to use the extra funding released by the city council for equipment, building improvements, training, consultants and salaries. Police will also pay for two employees at the state Bureau of Criminal Apprehension lab to test drug evidence on behalf of police."

Maybe the council better start getting ready to release millions of dollars to pay for wrongful imprisonment lawsuits.
Amused Slew

Seattle, WA

#17 Feb 15, 2013
Nice, you have no point, proof, and are a PUTZ !! LMAOROTFU~! DISMISSED ~!
non-starter

Saint Paul, MN

#18 Feb 15, 2013
The St. Paul lab suspended drug testing in July after employees said they did not follow any written procedures. An independent review of the lab is under way.

Problems at the St. Paul Police Department's crime lab are more serious than originally thought, and include dirty equipment, poor documentation, and the destruction of fingerprints that were wrongly classified as unusable, according to two independent reviews released Thursday.

Minnesota Public Radio News reported that lab workers destroyed at least one-third of all fingerprints after mistakenly saying they couldn't be identified. And in one drug case, Wikipedia was used as a "technical reference" by lab workers, the reviews found.

In addition, there was no clean area for reviewing and collecting DNA, and the lab stored crime scene photos on a computer accessible to anyone, consultants found. Lab conditions violated federal health and safety requirements.

Police Chief Thomas Smith said he's concerned and will make changes to improve lab work. He said the lab might eventually resume drug testing, but he didn't know when.

Three county attorneys said Wednesday they are considering dismissing drug charges against some defendants in light of the testing problems at the St. Paul police crime lab that surfaced last month.

The three -- Dakota County Attorney James Backstrom, Ramsey County Attorney John Choi and Washington County Attorney Pete Orput -- also announced in a statement after an hours-long meeting that charges in other cases could be reduced. About 350 to 400 cases could be affected.

Those options were outlined on the same day that the state Bureau of Criminal Apprehension was asked to start immediately retesting drug samples in hundreds of pending drug cases handled by the lab.

"It is unfortunate that we are in the position of having to take corrective action due to the troubling issues that have come to light in the St. Paul Police Department crime lab," the statement said.

The three met to come up with a uniform response to revelations in court last month that called into question the practices and training of the employees at the St. Paul lab, which in the past decade has probably performed drug tests in 10,000 or more cases for the three jurisdictions.

Two public defenders are challenging the lab's results in eight drug cases in Dakota County District Court. Testimony by lab staff revealed a lack of oversight, training and documentation of evidence-handling and testing procedures. Basic scientific standards were not followed, defense experts testified. Testimony will resume in August and September, with a judge's decision expected later this year.

So look for, the union label..........

Since: Sep 11

Rogers, MN

#19 Feb 15, 2013
non-starter wrote:
<quoted text>Please show your work Slewche. Prove the underfunding. I don't believe you can find a story anywhere claiming underfunding, but go ahead, make your pitiful case.
"The St. Paul City Council released more than $1 million in extra funding to the crime lab last week.
Chief Smith said the police did not provide copies of the reports to the city council prior to the meeting in which the council released the money.
The police were still reviewing the reports last week and did not have them ready for public viewing until now, said St. Paul Police spokesman Howie Padilla.
The police department plans to use the extra funding released by the city council for equipment, building improvements, training, consultants and salaries. Police will also pay for two employees at the state Bureau of Criminal Apprehension lab to test drug evidence on behalf of police."
Maybe the council better start getting ready to release millions of dollars to pay for wrongful imprisonment lawsuits.
I think the best part is when honey slew slew says "it's not my job". As if he/she/it actually has a job.
Full Truth

Saint Paul, MN

#20 Feb 15, 2013
Right wing extremists do not want ANYONE earning more than $10 per hour, except themselves, of course.The only thing that matters to them is greater corporate profits.

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