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A single 787 took flight flew from Fort Worth, Texas to Everett's Paine Field Thursday morning on a so-called ferry flight so the crew could test the lithium ion battery that have become the focus of an investigation after the jets were grounded last month.

It IS a test flight, you dumb ass, it says so right in the story you quoted!

How stupid do you have to be to post a link that directly contradicts your own statement.
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Maxamillion wrote:
A "Ferry Flight" was allowed by the FAA.
NO test flights are allowed of the 787. Boeing has no clue as to what the problem is, NONE.
She's GROUNDED!!!
http://www.nwcn.com/news/washington/First-787...
The slewpid one will be claiming victory on the intellectually bankrupt bet based on this, even though the battery problem is nowhere near solved. The lithium ion system being used likely will never be solved, a different battery chemistry will have to be substituted.
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<quoted text>The slewpid one will be claiming victory on the intellectually bankrupt bet based on this, even though the battery problem is nowhere near solved. The lithium ion system being used likely will never be solved, a different battery chemistry will have to be substituted.
That was a stupid thing to say. Are you saying there is something wrong with lithium ion batteries?
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Consistent wrote:
Your story:
A single 787 took flight flew from Fort Worth, Texas to Everett's Paine Field Thursday morning on a so-called ferry flight so the crew could test the lithium ion battery that have become the focus of an investigation after the jets were grounded last month.
It IS a test flight, you dumb ass, it says so right in the story you quoted!
How stupid do you have to be to post a link that directly contradicts your own statement.
"The FAA did not approve a test flight, but analysts say Thursday’s flight will give pilots a glimpse at how the battery reacts in the air."

The FAA is sitting on the fence. They approved the ferry flight BUT obviously the battery performance could be monitored as it could in a test flight. That DOES NOT make it a test flight.

If you choose to read the article you would understand.

I you can't read OR choose to ignore what is in print then you may PHOCK OFF!
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That was a stupid thing to say. Are you saying there is something wrong with lithium ion batteries?
They are VERY DANGEROUS!! So much so they are banned from some flights.

http://venturebeat.com/2013/01/19/british-air...
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That was a stupid thing to say. Are you saying there is something wrong with lithium ion batteries?
This particular chemistry in this cell size is prone to thermal runaway. Period.

It is a well documented problem with this battery chemistry, which is why Tesla, the electric car company, uses many small cells in this chemistry to avoid the thermal runaway problem.

The internal resistance of the cells can be high, leading to lots of heat generation on heavy discharge or charge as well. When lots of bigger cells are closer together, more heat, more chance for thermal runaway, leading to fire potential.

Boeing is an airline company that chose to use at the least, the wrong type of battery configuration for this chemistry.

Whatever project/program manager that allowed this problem to propogate throughout the system is likely in a lot of hot water at Boeing right now.
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Poor childish, broke, liar... LMNAOROFU~!

ACCEPT THE 6 month wager, stand behind YOUR WORDS ~!

Multiple moniker teabagger "reality" ??
CANNOT MATCH THE IRONY !!!
Boeing will never fly the 787..."
"All this rework may take 2+ years."
"NOT a quick fix by any means."
TAKE THE 6 MONTH BET, LIAR !!!
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non-starter wrote:
<quoted text>This particular chemistry in this cell size is prone to thermal runaway. Period.
It is a well documented problem with this battery chemistry, which is why Tesla, the electric car company, uses many small cells in this chemistry to avoid the thermal runaway problem.
The internal resistance of the cells can be high, leading to lots of heat generation on heavy discharge or charge as well. When lots of bigger cells are closer together, more heat, more chance for thermal runaway, leading to fire potential.
Boeing is an airline company that chose to use at the least, the wrong type of battery configuration for this chemistry.
Whatever project/program manager that allowed this problem to propogate throughout the system is likely in a lot of hot water at Boeing right now.
There's some history on this. Lithium battery powered laptops, for example, have had many recalls due to fires. In fact, a local manufacturer of lithium power cells for cars, gave up the process due to the high volatility of these cells - even during the manufacturing. Some hybrid cars have also been recalled for this.
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Feb 7, 2013
 
It's a bit of a disappointment yes, but it isn't the end of the world. Battery/charging problems suck, but nobody has died.(and nobody has bothered to express any appreciation towards the government for this obviously necessary oversight).

Of course, the political putzes simply want to argue, while a pretty successful American company has problems with out sourced parts....
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Amused Slew wrote:
Poor childish, broke, liar... LMNAOROFU~!
ACCEPT THE 6 month wager, stand behind YOUR WORDS ~!
Multiple moniker teabagger "reality" ??
CANNOT MATCH THE IRONY !!!
Boeing will never fly the 787..."
"All this rework may take 2+ years."
"NOT a quick fix by any means."
TAKE THE 6 MONTH BET, LIAR !!!
Backpedal to 6 months, good job slewsie. I only ever discussed a month with you, and that was a timeframe you published. I never made a claim, except to say a month was unlikely, and that months was a more likely timetable, months being 2 or more.

Declare Chapter 7 intellectual bankruptcy today, liquidate all that bad information rattling around in your head and start over.
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Amused Slew wrote:
It's a bit of a disappointment yes, but it isn't the end of the world. Battery/charging problems suck, but nobody has died.(and nobody has bothered to express any appreciation towards the government for this obviously necessary oversight).
Of course, the political putzes simply want to argue, while a pretty successful American company has problems with out sourced parts....
Translation: The battery fix is going to take more than a month, this is my(slewsie's) official retraction.
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#162
Feb 7, 2013
 
$550,000,000 is wasted already.

The FAA won't allow any test flights.

Boeing ferried a 787 home to reduce parking fees in Texas.

It amounts to a lemon being returned to maker, what are the lemon laws on airplanes?

787 is CLEARLY a lemon.
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787 wont fly again wrote:
$550,000,000 is wasted already.
The FAA won't allow any test flights.
Boeing ferried a 787 home to reduce parking fees in Texas.
It amounts to a lemon being returned to maker, what are the lemon laws on airplanes?
787 is CLEARLY a lemon.
I think the 787 will fly again, but the batteries will be a different configuration, if not a different chemistry. That will take some months of doing.

Knocking Lockheed and McDonnell Douglas out, Boeing's only current competition is Airbus, and they are having their own problems.

The 787 will likely be up testing out other battery configurations/chemistries soon. The FAA is unlikely to allow the same battery configuration back in the air.
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Poor childish, broke, liar... LMNAOROFU~!

ACCEPT THE 6 month wager, stand behind YOUR WORDS ~!

Multiple moniker teabagger "reality" ??
CANNOT MATCH THE IRONY !!!
Boeing will never fly the 787..."
"All this rework may take 2+ years."
"NOT a quick fix by any means."
TAKE THE 6 MONTH BET, LIAR !!!
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Translation: The battery fix is going to take more than a month, this is my(slewsie's) official retraction.
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<quoted text>I think the 787 will fly again, but the batteries will be a different configuration, if not a different chemistry. That will take some months of doing.
Knocking Lockheed and McDonnell Douglas out, Boeing's only current competition is Airbus, and they are having their own problems.
The 787 will likely be up testing out other battery configurations/chemistries soon. The FAA is unlikely to allow the same battery configuration back in the air.
So, how many MONTHS are we wagering on ??? Ps- chemistry's

Showing possession in English is a relatively easy matter (believe it or not). By adding an apostrophe and an s we can manage to transform most singular nouns into their possessive form:

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a hard day's work
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Translation: The battery fix is going to take more than a month, this is my(slewsie's) official retraction.
Oh, you need me to stand behind my projections, but you have no similar obligations and you're certainly unwilling to take my wager offers ... LMAOROTFU~! Yeah, you're quite a mensch, NOT !!!

I don't see you accepting my $50k offer, odd ...right ? You realize, the month starts, when we get the money to the middleman ! LMAOROTFU~!
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SWEET !!!!

Boeing says the pilots who flew a 787 from Texas to Everett on Thursday monitored the battery status and indicated the flight was uneventful.

The 787 landed routinely just before 11 a.m. at Paine Field, near the factory where it was assembled.

The plane was flown from Meacham Field at Fort Worth where it was painted in the colors of the airline customer, China Southern.

The Federal Aviation Administration gave the company permission to relocate the plane. Other 787s have been grounded since last month by battery problems.

The Federal Aviation Administration is still considering a separate Boeing request for 787 test flights.
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Amused Slew wrote:
SWEET !!!!
Boeing says the pilots who flew a 787 from Texas to Everett on Thursday monitored the battery status and indicated the flight was uneventful.
The 787 landed routinely just before 11 a.m. at Paine Field, near the factory where it was assembled.
The plane was flown from Meacham Field at Fort Worth where it was painted in the colors of the airline customer, China Southern.
The Federal Aviation Administration gave the company permission to relocate the plane. Other 787s have been grounded since last month by battery problems.
The Federal Aviation Administration is still considering a separate Boeing request for 787 test flights.
ONE flight without a crash does NOT make a safe plane.
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#170
Feb 7, 2013
 
NBC reports 787 to make test flights.

http://video.msnbc.msn.com/nightly-news/50737...

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