Will Not fly on a 787

Minneapolis, MN

#378 Mar 17, 2013
Hey the FAA is at odds with the NTSB on this.

Bottom line: Boeing don't matter, FAA don't matter, NTSB don't matter..

IF the 787 is allowed to haul pasengers and there is another fire the program will be terminated, by unpopular demand. The flying public is fully aware of the two fires. One more after the FAA grounding will be the 787s end.

I wish no malice towards Boeing OR the 787 BUT having worked on hundreds of system problems I'll tell you at this time they havn't a clue as to what actually caused the two fires.

Without knowing the root cause of the problem AND being able to recreate the problem AND then apply the fix. Once the fix is applied you subject the batteries to the same conditions that caused the problem and the problem doesn't recurr.

If this can be done the 787 can be flown with a reasonabe degree there will be NO further battery fires.

Without that it is very likely there will be more fires in the batteries. And the Boeing fix includes sealing the battery in a solid case with a vent to get rid of the byproducts of a fire.

Think about this: one byproduct of a lithium ion battery fire is the flamable electrolyte. So with a battery pack sealed in a strong stainles steel case with a vent hole. What happens when burning electrolyte ends up on the skin of the 787 OR on control surfaces of wing or tail?

The Boeing "FIX" is what we used to call a "BYPASS" to the problem. A BYPASS might prevent the problem but is NOT a well designed formal change that will prevent the problem from ever occuring again, that Boeing does NOT have.

I pray if the 787 is allowed to fly passengers with this BYPASS FIX there will be no injuries.

Please Pray with me...
Bushwhacker

Seattle, WA

#379 Mar 17, 2013
Sure, except THE FAA !!! LMAOROTFU~! What a moron !!! Sure, you can make stuff up, but Boeing makes planes and you make crap....
Bushwhacker

Seattle, WA

#380 Mar 17, 2013
Hey, did it fly after you said it never would again ?? Yep,... case closed.

Poor, not a man.

Ps- Flying Tuesday, despite your idiocy.
Will Not fly on a 787

Minneapolis, MN

#381 Mar 17, 2013
Bushwhacker wrote:
Hey, did it fly after you said it never would again ?? Yep,... case closed.
Poor, not a man.
Ps- Flying Tuesday, despite your idiocy.
# passengers flying?
pattiburns101

Atlanta, GA

#382 Mar 18, 2013
Being someone who built the 747 I can say that your latter-day management saints have made one mistake after another, starting with moving headquarters to Chicago. This "nighmareliner" is the most out-sourced plane ever built. Declaring it a USA export is a misnomer and its young arrival employees amateurs.
Bushwhacker

Seattle, WA

#383 Mar 18, 2013
Sure, except THE FAA !!! LMAOROTFU~! What a moron !!!
Will Not fly on a 787

Minneapolis, MN

#384 Mar 18, 2013
pattiburns101 wrote:
Being someone who built the 747 I can say that your latter-day management saints have made one mistake after another, starting with moving headquarters to Chicago. This "nighmareliner" is the most out-sourced plane ever built. Declaring it a USA export is a misnomer and its young arrival employees amateurs.
Thank you for your comments.

Boeing IS NOT the quality company it once was.

Boeing's problems originate at the top. CEO McNerney is a 3M (Minnesota Mineing and Manufaturing) reject. 3M employees I know here in Minnesota know McNerney very well. He is a 6 Sigma pimp and basically took a wrecking ball to 3M and then bailed out to Boeing.

For Boeing to deliver a passenger airplane with 2 battery packs that are prone to burn is typical McNerney.

Thank you for your work on the fine 747.
Bushwhacker

Seattle, WA

#385 Mar 18, 2013
Flying tomorrow !!!!

Didn't you say, they'd never fly, dummy guy ???
Will Not fly on a 787

Minneapolis, MN

#386 Mar 18, 2013
# passengers flying?
Will Not fly on a 787

Minneapolis, MN

#387 Mar 18, 2013
Boeing NOW FINALLY using RTCA protocol for testing 787 lithium ion batteries. Question: Why wasn't RTCA used prior to flying passengers?

http://www.foxbusiness.com/news/2013/03/18/bo...

Why not restrict the 787 to flying cargo only in order to ensure the new improved Boeing "FIX" will hold up over the long haul?

Remember Boeing STILL HAS NO CLUE as to why the batteries have BURNED and EXPLODED, injuring firefighters.

Boeing: FIX IT RIGHT!!!

You got one chance.
heggeg

Pittsburgh, PA

#388 Mar 18, 2013
youtube.com/watch...
Get over it?
Will Not fly on a 787

Minneapolis, MN

#389 Mar 18, 2013
The Boeing executives sought to allay flyers' fears about the 787 by repeatedly stressing their commitment to safety.

"""They said it would take too long to work out what had specifically caused the problems but the new design would ensure 787s were safe."""

Boeing came up with 80 possible causes for the battery failures, categorised them into four groups and came up with design adjustments such as better insulation between each battery cell so any malfunctions won't spread.

There were also changes to wiring for the battery, aimed at preventing overheating, and a new enclosure for the battery that would eliminate fire risk.

The enclosure has a direct vent to carry battery fumes outside the aeroplane, and small holes at the bottom of the battery case will allow moisture to drain from the battery, according to Boeing. The battery charger is also being adapted.

Executives acknowledged that final approval would have to come from the FAA and did not rule out further delays to ensure safety, but they said they were in close contact with the aviation authority and do not foresee any long holdups.

"It's a safe airplane. We have no concerns at all about that," Sinnett said.

The Boeing executive vice-president, Ray Conner, said: "We do apologise for this situation."
Will Not fly on a 787

Minneapolis, MN

#390 Mar 18, 2013
In the next fire in a 787 lithium ion battery pack the flamable electrolite can drip out of the drain holes in the battery box. What happens when flaming flamable electrolite drips out of the battery box and starts the 787 on fire?

Then the fire spreads to the cargo and all other parts of the 787 and the plane is forced to land in shark infested waters OR 32 degree water in the Atlantic. Of course help for the passengers is 2 hours away.

Do YOU want to fly on a 787?

Maybe fly cargo ONLY for 10,000,000 hours to ensure it won't burn and crash.
Will Not fly on a 787

Minneapolis, MN

#391 Mar 18, 2013
"""They said it would take too long to work out what had specifically caused the problems but the new design would ensure 787s were safe."""

Basic sound logic:

"A problem cannot be fixed UNLESS the problem is fully understood."

Boeing admits it does not know what the problem is. Boeing is throwing fixes at an unknown/unidentified problem.
Bushwhacker

Seattle, WA

#392 Mar 18, 2013
Flying tomorrow !!!!

Didn't you say, they'd never fly, dummy guy ???
Will Not fly on a 787

Minneapolis, MN

#393 Mar 18, 2013
Will YOU fly over the Atlantic or Pacific on any airplane with a known unidefined problem that may cause the plane to catch fire and crash?
Bushwhacker

Seattle, WA

#394 Mar 18, 2013
unidefined ??

I see you believe problems can't be fixed. it sure explains you....
Will Not fly on a 787

Minneapolis, MN

#395 Mar 18, 2013
Remember sharks and 33 degree water.
Will Not fly on a 787

Minneapolis, MN

#396 Mar 18, 2013
Bushwhacker wrote:
unidefined ??
I see you believe problems can't be fixed. it sure explains you....
Having worked solving problems my entire adult life it's OBVIOUS I have more experiance than you.

Any problem ca't be fixed without knowing what caused it. Once you identify the root cause you create a solution and apply it to the problem after recreating the cause of the problem.

Boeing has no idea what causes the batteries to burn. So they are throwing mud at the wall (fixes at the battery) in hopes one of the fixes will prevent the problem. AND IF the problem recurrs they HOPE the stronger containment box, venting, insulation and other modifications will prevent the fire from spreading and causing the 787 to crash KILLING all aboard.

In fact the fix is intended to vent combustion byproducts out of the plane so the flight crew may have no knowledge there is even a fire on the plane.

Fixed NO..
Bushwhacker

Seattle, WA

#397 Mar 18, 2013
Will Not fly on a 787 wrote:
<quoted text>
Having worked solving problems my entire adult life it's OBVIOUS I have more experiance than you.
Any problem ca't be fixed without knowing what caused it. Once you identify the root cause you create a solution and apply it to the problem after recreating the cause of the problem.
Boeing has no idea what causes the batteries to burn. So they are throwing mud at the wall (fixes at the battery) in hopes one of the fixes will prevent the problem. AND IF the problem recurrs they HOPE the stronger containment box, venting, insulation and other modifications will prevent the fire from spreading and causing the 787 to crash KILLING all aboard.
In fact the fix is intended to vent combustion byproducts out of the plane so the flight crew may have no knowledge there is even a fire on the plane.
Fixed NO..
You have more "experiance" misspelling, so you "ca't" be serious, when it "recurrs" often enough to prove you're a PUTZ !!! LMAOROTFU~! Funny, guns don't kill, but batteries which haven't really harmed anyone.... are dangerous ???

NUT-SO, it flies tomorrow !!!

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