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yaya

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While we slept, Republicans in the Minnesota Senate fought all night Tuesday for families and child care providers, said a tweet from the Republican Party.
It was a losing battle. The upshot of the all-nighter: Minnesota is a step closer to unionizing private business owners to bargain with the state over taxpayer dollars. The bill, affecting home-care workers who care for state-subsidized clients, passed by a vote of 35-32.
It next goes to the House, where Saturday is the soonest it could be considered. If the measure reaches his desk, it's considered certain that Gov. Mark Dayton will sign it into law. A judge in Ramsey County ruled last year that Dayton exceeded his authority in trying to order a unionization vote. The judge said the matter should be handled through the legislative process.
The organizations with the most to gain are the unions: Day-care operators would be represented by the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees, or AFSCME. Personal-care attendants, who care for the sick, elderly and disabled, could join the Service Employees International Union, or SEIU.
The conservative-leaning Freedom Foundation put the situation this way: "The extraordinary union power grab under way at the state Capitol is breathtaking, especially in light of the prevailing trend of Midwest states enacting positive, taxpayer-friendly collective bargaining reforms."
The foundation says that thousands of independent small business owners will be "forced to pay for a union they never requested and do not want." If the union prevails in a vote to organize, providers who receive subsidies but "opt out" of membership must -- under state law -- pay fair-share dues, a percentage of the dues paid by full members.
Estimates say the total number of affected workers is about 21,000. It's the small-business-based child-care workers who've drawn the most attention, and controversy.
In making their case, opponents:
-- Argue that the measure would affect the bottom lines of their businesses and that added costs would be passed on to parents. Some have suggested that the cost-cutting required might also mean lower pay for child-care workers. Like other markets, this one is best left to function more freely rather than less.
-- Dispute claims about union representation prompting training that would improve care for kids. We're not convinced that you need a union to advance training, professional development and other educational programs for these workers. Many best-practice resources are available in a state that's paying increased attention to its littlest learners.
-- Point to political payoff. Action this session on the measure is a result, in part, of the power shift at the Legislature that put Democrats in control. According to an Associated Press analysis of campaign reports, unions pumped more than $3.7 million into Democratic races and the state party last year, and steered millions more toward independent campaign groups.
-- Worry about creating what amounts to additional public-worker unions, about pressure on state budgets -- and the ultimate cost to taxpayers -- as increases in state reimbursement rates are negotiated.
After the 17-hour Senate debate this week, four Democrats broke with their party to vote against the measure: the east metro's Bev Scalze of Little Canada, as well as Terri Bonoff of Minnetonka, Greg Clausen of Apple Valley and Melisa Franzen of Edina.
Those who care for the youngest and most vulnerable Minnesotans do important work in our state. They should continue to do so compassionately and effectively -- without unions in their way.
Bushwhacker

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They aren't in the way, they simply bargain as a group and have better standards and benefits.

Since: Sep 11

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This is wrong on so many levels I can't even begin to address them all. No one should be forced to join a union or to pay union dues, fair share or other wise. This will prompt more unlicensed day care providers who will work under the table for less money. It will also force licensed providers who accept clients getting state subsidies to reduce staff or even reduce their salaries and they don't make all that much to begin with.

But the bottom line moral of the story? Don't send your kids to someone else to raise.
Bushwhacker

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No one is "forced", so you're wrong on so many levels... I can't even begin to address them all.

As for the rest of your blather, funny.... you always "recommend" illegality or not working.....

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This is a very scary situation. It is a payback to the unions for buying Gov GoogleyEyes the Office of Governor.

The DFL decided that an entire industry, comprised mostly of independent business owners, will now become State employees.

What industry is next? Who is the next takeover target for Gov GoogleyEyes and his DFL goons?

Since: Sep 11

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"thousands of independent small business owners will be "forced to pay for a union they never requested and do not want." If the union prevails in a vote to organize, providers who receive subsidies but "opt out" of membership must -- under state law -- pay fair-share dues, a percentage of the dues paid by full members."

and don't forget this highlight...

"- Point to political payoff. Action this session on the measure is a result, in part, of the power shift at the Legislature that put Democrats in control. According to an Associated Press analysis of campaign reports, unions pumped more than $3.7 million into Democratic races and the state party last year, and steered millions more toward independent campaign groups."


Keep an sharp eye out for the R.I.F. trucks in the neighborhood. Although I am not sure they will stop at the dojo.
Bushwhacker

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They can opt out ?? Gee, earlier you wrote

"No one should be forced to join a union..."

Guess, lies and deception are part of the anti-union "mentality".

As for "becoming state employees", it's as honest "ass" any IrishTrash...posted by a COWARD !!!

Since: Sep 11

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"thousands of independent small business owners will be "forced to pay for a union they never requested and do not want." If the union prevails in a vote to organize, providers who receive subsidies but "opt out" of membership must -- under state law -- pay fair-share dues, a percentage of the dues paid by full members."

Keep a sharp eye out for the R.I.F. trucks in the neighborhood. It will help to stop the hating on independent American workers. Although I am not sure they will stop at the dojo.
Bushwhacker

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yaya wrote:
While we slept, Republicans in the Minnesota Senate fought all night Tuesday for families and child care providers, said a tweet from the Republican Party.
It was a losing battle. The upshot of the all-nighter: Minnesota is a step closer to unionizing private business owners to bargain with the state over taxpayer dollars. The bill, affecting home-care workers who care for state-subsidized clients, passed by a vote of 35-32.
It next goes to the House, where Saturday is the soonest it could be considered. If the measure reaches his desk, it's considered certain that Gov. Mark Dayton will sign it into law. A judge in Ramsey County ruled last year that Dayton exceeded his authority in trying to order a unionization vote. The judge said the matter should be handled through the legislative process.
The organizations with the most to gain are the unions: Day-care operators would be represented by the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees, or AFSCME. Personal-care attendants, who care for the sick, elderly and disabled, could join the Service Employees International Union, or SEIU.
The conservative-leaning Freedom Foundation put the situation this way: "The extraordinary union power grab under way at the state Capitol is breathtaking, especially in light of the prevailing trend of Midwest states enacting positive, taxpayer-friendly collective bargaining reforms."
The foundation says that thousands of independent small business owners will be "forced to pay for a union they never requested and do not want." If the union prevails in a vote to organize, providers who receive subsidies but "opt out" of membership must -- under state law -- pay fair-share dues, a percentage of the dues paid by full members.
Estimates say the total number of affected workers is about 21,000. It's the small-business-based child-care workers who've drawn the most attention, and controversy.
In making their case, opponents:
-- Argue that the measure would affect the bottom lines of their businesses and that added costs would be passed on to parents. Some have suggested that the cost-cutting required might also mean lower pay for child-care workers. Like other markets, this one is best left to function more freely rather than less.
-- Dispute claims about union representation prompting training that would improve care for kids. We're not convinced that you need a union to advance training, professional development and other educational programs for these workers. Many best-practice resources are available in a state that's paying increased attention to its littlest learners.
-- Point to political payoff. Action this session on the measure is a result, in part, of the power shift at the Legislature that put Democrats in control. According to an Associated Press analysis of campaign reports, unions pumped more than $3.7 million into Democratic races and the state party last year, and steered millions more toward independent campaign groups.
-- Worry about creating what amounts to additional public-worker unions, about pressure on state budgets -- and the ultimate cost to taxpayers -- as increases in state reimbursement rates are negotiated.
After the 17-hour Senate debate this week, four Democrats broke with their party to vote against the measure: the east metro's Bev Scalze of Little Canada, as well as Terri Bonoff of Minnetonka, Greg Clausen of Apple Valley and Melisa Franzen of Edina.
Those who care for the youngest and most vulnerable Minnesotans do important work in our state. They should continue to do so compassionately and effectively -- without unions in their way.
Might have been smarted to NOT use a Montgomery Al proxy, putz.... When the initial poster uses a lie, wonder WHY ????

DISHONESTY WILL REIGN....
Bushwhacker

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They can opt out ?? Gee, earlier you wrote

"No one should be forced to join a union..."

Guess, lies and deception are part of the anti-union "mentality".

As for "becoming state employees", it's as honest "ass" any IrishTrash...posted by a COWARD !!!
Bushwhacker

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LOOK, the same folks who want your vote, WANT TO UNDERPAY YOUR EFFORTS ????

They are full time workers unable to even make a livable wage. Women are the caregivers, for children, disabled and older adults. If this would give women who greater voice and advocacy, and start to build better policy for the care of our children, then I'm all for it. Our society has long undervalued what these individuals do. They are the salt of the earth people, who never advocate for themselves. Maybe this will help to empower them.
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Smart Liberal wrote:
This is a very scary situation. It is a payback to the unions for buying Gov GoogleyEyes the Office of Governor.
The DFL decided that an entire industry, comprised mostly of independent business owners, will now become State employees.
What industry is next? Who is the next takeover target for Gov GoogleyEyes and his DFL goons?
It seems there will be opportunities for daycare workers to become state employees and PERA pension contributers without an interview, job posting, etc etc. If someone babysits a kid and wants to cash in there may be an open door to contribute to a PERA pension. Contact the Union and join up and start contributing to PERA and WALLA extend PERA benefits. It could be 1 daycare worker with no supervisor, no time recording, no traditional employer/employee relationship.

IMHO this arrangement won't work.

It works well for Unions, they will get a lot of dues.

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This is a very scary situation. It is a payback to the unions for buying Gov GoogleyEyes the Office of Governor.
The DFL decided that an entire industry, comprised mostly of independent business owners, will now become State employees.
What industry is next? Who is the next takeover target for Gov GoogleyEyes and his DFL goons?
And they will be forced to pay no matter what they choose. The term "opt-out" is apparently a lie. No doubt some of those providers who receive state subsidies will opt to give up the subsidies and refuse to take any of the kids who are being subsidized. Nice move. Again, moral of the story, stay home with your kids instead of paying other people to take care of them.

"thousands of independent small business owners will be "forced to pay for a union they never requested and do not want." If the union prevails in a vote to organize, providers who receive subsidies but "opt out" of membership must -- under state law -- pay fair-share dues, a percentage of the dues paid by full members."
Bushwhacker

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Montgomery, AL

While "we" slept ?? LMAOROFU~!


They can opt out ?? Gee, earlier you wrote

"No one should be forced to join a union..."

Guess, lies and deception are part of the anti-union "mentality".

As for "becoming state employees", it's as honest "ass" any IrishTrash...posted by a COWARD !!!

“The one and only Smart Liberal”

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And they will be forced to pay no matter what they choose. The term "opt-out" is apparently a lie. No doubt some of those providers who receive state subsidies will opt to give up the subsidies and refuse to take any of the kids who are being subsidized. Nice move. Again, moral of the story, stay home with your kids instead of paying other people to take care of them.
"thousands of independent small business owners will be "forced to pay for a union they never requested and do not want." If the union prevails in a vote to organize, providers who receive subsidies but "opt out" of membership must -- under state law -- pay fair-share dues, a percentage of the dues paid by full members."
As was demonstrated in 2011 during their earlier campaign to unionize, the DFL supported union thugs are as dishonest as the day is long.

It ieven caused an AFSCME local Vice President to resign in disgust at the tactics they used.

Look for more of the same as the DFL shuts their eyes to a government takeover of an entire industry of independent business owners.

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The legislation would authorize AFSCME to collectively bargain with the state on behalf of day-care providers and (of course) collect mandatory union dues. Day-care providers would not even get a secret ballot vote on unionizing — AFSCME would merely collect publicly signed cards, making possible this type of fraud:

Shaffer [a Minnesota child-care provider] said in 2011, she was approached by part of a door-knocking campaign for forming a childcare union in Minnesota. Shaffer said she was asked to sign a card to receive more information on the campaign, but she later learned it was actually a union authorization card.

It is hard to see how self-employed in-home day-care providers benefit from union representation, much less representation without a secret-ballot vote. AFSCME, however, would skim millions in dues off of CCAP checks.

These tactics inspired the vice president of Minnesota AFSCME Local 3400 to resign in dismay earlier this month. Kathy Stevens, a lifelong union member and vice president of Minnesota Child Care Providers Together local, told Watchdog.org ,“I am not anti-union and I don’t want anybody to think I am, but I am anti what [AFSCME’s] purpose is and their mission is right now. I’m not okay with that.”

“This isn’t the way we want our profession to look,” said Stevens.“We don’t want to use people just to get what we want. This is a respectable profession, and we need to have it maintained as a respectable profession, and I don’t think that’s what’s happened.”

Ms. Stevens has a good point. Unions shouldn’t look to government benefits for children, the sick, and the disabled to fill their coffers.

http://www.heritage.org/research/commentary/2...
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And they will be forced to pay no matter what they choose. The term "opt-out" is apparently a lie. No doubt some of those providers who receive state subsidies will opt to give up the subsidies and refuse to take any of the kids who are being subsidized. Nice move. Again, moral of the story, stay home with your kids instead of paying other people to take care of them.
"thousands of independent small business owners will be "forced to pay for a union they never requested and do not want." If the union prevails in a vote to organize, providers who receive subsidies but "opt out" of membership must -- under state law -- pay fair-share dues, a percentage of the dues paid by full members."
I guess the best option is not to take any government vouchers, then you don't have to unionize. With the DFL in control, that is the best option for independent day care providers. Hopefully, the DFL and SEIU's policy will cause a shortage of day care providers that are willing to take government vouchers.
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Bushwhacker wrote:
Montgomery, AL
While "we" slept ?? LMAOROFU~!
They can opt out ?? Gee, earlier you wrote
"No one should be forced to join a union..."
Guess, lies and deception are part of the anti-union "mentality".
As for "becoming state employees", it's as honest "ass" any IrishTrash...posted by a COWARD !!!
Opt out of the "fair share" dues? Not once the union is in place. They get 80% or so of the regular union dues under "fair share". Nice of the DFL to subsidize unions, as they are not able to make it on their own any more.
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The only folks getting paid a nickle a "post" are your 4 daughters, coward. LMAOROTFU~!

Montgomery, AL

While "we" slept ?? LMAOROFU~!

They can opt out ?? Gee, earlier you wrote

"No one should be forced to join a union..."

Guess, lies and deception are part of the anti-union "mentality".

As for "becoming state employees", it's as honest "ass" any IrishTrash...posted by a COWARD !!!

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