Stick a fork in them 2012 Minnesota Vikings

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DSM Local

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Dec 4, 2012
 
Being average is an achievement for the 2012 Minnesota Vikings. Little was expected of this team, and they remain right in the middle of the playoff race at 6-6 to start December.

Yet they will be the first team at .500 or better to get forked by our wildly subjective panel because average won't be enough in a deep NFC. The Vikings, losers of four of five games, have shown repeatedly they can't consistently beat quality competition. Their remaining opponents (Chicago Bears, St. Louis Rams, Houston Texans, Green Bay Packers) have a combined record of 32-15-1. Minnesota would be lucky to go 2-2 the rest of the way. It's hard to win in the NFL without a passing game.

What went wrong
The Vikings organization and its fans have to feel mixed emotions about this season. They have overachieved, yet they haven't achieved their primary goal this season: Developing Christian Ponder. If this season was about "finding out if Ponder is the guy," the answer is clear. Only Blaine Gabbert and John Skelton have thrown for fewer yards-per-attempt. Ponder's accuracy, confidence, and decision-making have all been shaky.

No quarterback with over 300 attempts has fewer plays over 20 yards. For perspective, Matt Cassel has more big plays than Ponder with 107 fewer attempts. It's not all Ponder's fault of course. His wide receivers are very poor after Percy Harvin, who has battled injuries again. The playcalling can be too conservative. But Ponder has been stuck in a hole for two months and can't seem to dig himself out.

His yardage numbers since Week 7: 58, 251, 63, 221, 159, 119. Even his biggest game in that group (against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers) was a rough performance.

We could pick on other aspects of the Vikings team like their -6 turnover margin, the Jerome Simpson signing, a mediocre guard tandem or their need for a decent linebacker. But that's all window dressing. They need a passing game. That comes back to Ponder.

What went right
They started out 4-1 after winning only three games all of last year. While five of their six wins were against teams with losing records, that sixth win was an thorough smackdown of the San Francisco 49ers. This team can be physical and the defense has vastly improved since last year's disaster.

Adrian Peterson is an MVP candidate and freak of nature. This year perhaps above all others thus far will help cement his legacy as an all-time great. No. 4 overall pick Matt Kalil has come as advertised on the left side of the offensive line. Center John Sullivan and right tackle Phil Loadholdt have been effective. Kyle Rudolph has been a solid puzzle piece. Percy Harvin remained wildly valuable, but still not durable.

On defense, the team didn't excel in any area but has improved to solid. Jared Allen has declined some, but Antoine Winfield has enjoyed a terrific season. Kevin Williams has been more effective with less snaps. First-round pick, safety Harrison Smith, has looked like a keeper. The team had a nice draft.
DSM Local

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Dec 4, 2012
 
What still matters
We know the Vikings remain in the playoff race, but even winning two more games would be a strong finish for this team. Even one more win wouldn't be that bad, if that win came against the Packers or Bears. Getting Ponder to turn things around in the final month is huge. It's not just that he's struggled this year, he's regressed as the season wore on.

What changes are coming
The coaching staff and front office should be all set unless the Vikings pulled a surprise move and replaced offensive coordinator Bill Musgrave. It's too early to "give up" on Ponder, but bringing in more competition for him will be key. Harvin is entering the last year of his deal and is sure to make noise if he doesn't get a big extension in the offseason.

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The Truth Squad

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Dec 4, 2012
 
By continuing to feature Ponder as the starting QB tells me Management and coaches have basically given up for the season. And Webb is not the answer, however, inserting Webb in the lineup in a wildcat formation should give the offense some additional options and take some of the pressure off Ponder.
That does take some imagination from the offensive coach and Frazier, something I'm not sure they have.
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Dec 4, 2012
 
The Truth Squad wrote:
By continuing to feature Ponder as the starting QB tells me Management and coaches have basically given up for the season. And Webb is not the answer, however, inserting Webb in the lineup in a wildcat formation should give the offense some additional options and take some of the pressure off Ponder.
That does take some imagination from the offensive coach and Frazier, something I'm not sure they have.
ponder is gone this time next year so why play him, we won't win with him?
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Dec 4, 2012
 
You said they'd win last weekend, are you an idiot or liar ???
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ponder is gone this time next year so why play him, we won't win with him?
There in lies the biggest problem with the Vikings. They draft under performing QB's plus they have this habit of signing over-the-hill QB's, Ala Favre and McNabb recently. The franchise has never in the last 20 years or so had a quality QB. Until that happens they never will have a legit chance of going to the Super Bowl.
Wade Gustafson

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Dec 30, 2012
 
DSM Local wrote:
Being average is an achievement for the 2012 Minnesota Vikings. Little was expected of this team, and they remain right in the middle of the playoff race at 6-6 to start December.
Yet they will be the first team at .500 or better to get forked by our wildly subjective panel because average won't be enough in a deep NFC. The Vikings, losers of four of five games, have shown repeatedly they can't consistently beat quality competition. Their remaining opponents (Chicago Bears, St. Louis Rams, Houston Texans, Green Bay Packers) have a combined record of 32-15-1. Minnesota would be lucky to go 2-2 the rest of the way. It's hard to win in the NFL without a passing game.
What went wrong
The Vikings organization and its fans have to feel mixed emotions about this season. They have overachieved, yet they haven't achieved their primary goal this season: Developing Christian Ponder. If this season was about "finding out if Ponder is the guy," the answer is clear. Only Blaine Gabbert and John Skelton have thrown for fewer yards-per-attempt. Ponder's accuracy, confidence, and decision-making have all been shaky.
No quarterback with over 300 attempts has fewer plays over 20 yards. For perspective, Matt Cassel has more big plays than Ponder with 107 fewer attempts. It's not all Ponder's fault of course. His wide receivers are very poor after Percy Harvin, who has battled injuries again. The playcalling can be too conservative. But Ponder has been stuck in a hole for two months and can't seem to dig himself out.
His yardage numbers since Week 7: 58, 251, 63, 221, 159, 119. Even his biggest game in that group (against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers) was a rough performance.
We could pick on other aspects of the Vikings team like their -6 turnover margin, the Jerome Simpson signing, a mediocre guard tandem or their need for a decent linebacker. But that's all window dressing. They need a passing game. That comes back to Ponder.
What went right
They started out 4-1 after winning only three games all of last year. While five of their six wins were against teams with losing records, that sixth win was an thorough smackdown of the San Francisco 49ers. This team can be physical and the defense has vastly improved since last year's disaster.
Adrian Peterson is an MVP candidate and freak of nature. This year perhaps above all others thus far will help cement his legacy as an all-time great. No. 4 overall pick Matt Kalil has come as advertised on the left side of the offensive line. Center John Sullivan and right tackle Phil Loadholdt have been effective. Kyle Rudolph has been a solid puzzle piece. Percy Harvin remained wildly valuable, but still not durable.
On defense, the team didn't excel in any area but has improved to solid. Jared Allen has declined some, but Antoine Winfield has enjoyed a terrific season. Kevin Williams has been more effective with less snaps. First-round pick, safety Harrison Smith, has looked like a keeper. The team had a nice draft.
"... have shown repeatedly they can't consistently beat quality competition. Their remaining opponents (Chicago Bears, St. Louis Rams, Houston Texans, Green Bay Packers) have a combined record of 32-15-1. Minnesota would be lucky to go 2-2 the rest of the way. It's hard to win in the NFL without a passing game. "

Hey Iowegian, do you have anything to say now, you hanyacker?
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Dec 31, 2012
 

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Add football to the list of things DSM Local doesn't know anything about.
DSM Local

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Dec 31, 2012
 
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Ponder grew some balls today. Peterson continues to put on cyborg performances.I'm not even sure he's human. Ponder definitely won a night of hot sex with Samantha Steele.
Marriage has been good for Ponder, Simpson and Wright and even Jenkins stood up for once; BTW how many 2000 yard rushers have made the postseason?
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Dec 31, 2012
 
Yesterdays game was strictly a revenue producer.

Green Bay could have demolished the Vikequeens if they had tryed.

The last Viking game will exhibit the real Packers talent.

Meanwhile the fans are patronized and their pockets picked by the NFL.

Remember the NFL is nothing but entertainment.

NOTHING!!
DSM Local

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Dec 31, 2012
 
Tank Murdock wrote:
Add football to the list of things DSM Local doesn't know anything about.
I had the vikings 10-6, slew had them at 3-13 I wonder who knows more?
DSM Local

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Dec 31, 2012
 
Wade Gustafson wrote:
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"... have shown repeatedly they can't consistently beat quality competition. Their remaining opponents (Chicago Bears, St. Louis Rams, Houston Texans, Green Bay Packers) have a combined record of 32-15-1. Minnesota would be lucky to go 2-2 the rest of the way. It's hard to win in the NFL without a passing game. "
Hey Iowegian, do you have anything to say now, you hanyacker?
yeah this team is winning on the backs of the defense and AP, along with Ponder playing CLEAN games, yeah great passing game. Dump Ponder start Webb, at least he has an arm
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Dec 31, 2012
 
DSM Local wrote:
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yeah this team is winning on the backs of the defense and AP, along with Ponder playing CLEAN games, yeah great passing game. Dump Ponder start Webb, at least he has an arm
I wasn't really ripping you, just having a little fun.

I don't think giving up on Ponder now is wise. Let's get him some recievers and see what he can do. There certainly are no QBs available the the Vikings in the draft that I think they should go after. Too bad the Vikings beat Washington last year. The only people helped by that were the coaches.If I had made a prediction, it would have been no better than 6 - 10.
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Dec 31, 2012
 
Wade Gustafson wrote:
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I wasn't really ripping you, just having a little fun.
I don't think giving up on Ponder now is wise. Let's get him some recievers and see what he can do. There certainly are no QBs available the the Vikings in the draft that I think they should go after. Too bad the Vikings beat Washington last year. The only people helped by that were the coaches.If I had made a prediction, it would have been no better than 6 - 10.
Ponder wasnt so bad this week though, who knows maybe he can pull himself together, he was 94.6 QBR 3rd best for week17 after eli manning at 99.6 and peyton manning at 98.7... Still don't trust him if he can perform next week on the road then I'll reconsider

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