Should the vikins bench ponder

Created by DSM Local on Dec 3, 2012

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DSM Local

Ankeny, IA

#1 Dec 3, 2012
What Vikings fans are saying after the loss
The Green Bay Packers improved to 8-4 on the season after a 23-14 win over the Minnesota Vikings Sunday at Lambeau Field. The win, combined with a Bears loss, allowed the Packers to move into a first place tie with Chicago atop the NFC North. By virtue of their week 2 win over Chicago, the Packers own the first tie-breaker at the moment.

The Vikings, meanwhile, suffered a damaging loss. While they are still in the playoff discussion at 6-6, they are behind Dallas and Tampa Bay in the tie-breaker world. Below is a sampling of what Vikings fans are saying after the loss to the Packers. As always, the comments have not been altered from their original state.
DSM Local

Ankeny, IA

#2 Dec 3, 2012
Ponder is a terrible quarterback

the vikings clearly felt the presence of Ponder. Awful.

Christian Ponder sucks. If I was Peterson, I'd want out of this joke of a team. He puts the team on his back every week only to watch the team lose like usual. The sad part is this Vikings team, at one time 5-2, will not finish above .500.

Peterson faces 8 men in the box consistently and still dominates. Haven't seen a single run his entire career that he didn't give it his all. At the start of the 4th quarter, Peterson 210 yards, Ponder 36 & 2 picks in the red zone. The Viking coaches owe Peterson an apology -

The Pack gift wrapped this game for the Vikes But I guess they wanted to wait til Christmas to open it Three bonehead plays by two player cost us this one 1 by E Griffen and 2 by Christian Plunder Is Webb really that bad? How about a draft time trade at draft time {Editor's note:???}

No desire to try someone else, ANYONE ELSE at quarterback.

Vikings Area of Strength: Running back, Offensive Line, Defensive Secondary, Tight End. Area of Mediocrity: Defensive Line. Areas of Weakness: Linebacker, Wide Receiver and most importantly, Quarterback

We need someone to catch the ball. We have to get off the field on third down. We need help with our defense in the draft. We are back in the conversation after a dismall '11 season, but not good enough to be contenders

Time to pull the plug on this failed Ponder experiment. Completely in over his head in the NFL. He gets worse each game. Unbelievable.

percy harvin deserves a big extension after this game because we need him and the vikings are wasting petersons miles by not helping him with getting a deep threat this front office has done it for years on end now and its getting pathetic.

I've defended both Ponder and coaches previously, but no more!! Biggest unsolved problem no competent number 1 or 2 wide outs.

Until the Vikings get an actual receiver on the team, our quarterback will look bad

Leslie Frazier should be fired if lets Ponder and Musgrave board the flight home!

Super Bowl Contender vs. Rebuilding Team. All Pro vs.Arena League QB on the road. Just think if Ponder was just a little bit better then Spergon Wynn. We might have actually won this game.

It's to bad that QB is the only position that matters anymore. If Rodgers wasn't on GB the Pack would be a terrible team. They should thank there stars every night. On the other hand a competant QB like say Russell Wilson, and the Vikes would once again rule the North.

Ponder's play is an embarrassment to the team, the league, and the game...why on earth is this guy still in there? And if Webb is that bad, why are we even paying him? This team needed a seasoned backup for this exact reason, and they did zilch in the offseason.

Green Bay won the game, but they got eviscerated on the ground. The Packers should be embarrassed by that defensive showing. Peterson owned that entire squad. 126 yards on the ground...at Lambeau...11 months after an injury that would have ended 99% of the players in the league's career.{Editor's Note: Peterson finished with 210 yards rushing}

Let's get Matt Flynn in here next year as the quarterback.

People....the Vikings are just not a good team...it's as simple as that.

PLEEEEEEEEEEAAAASE ZIGGY, fire Frazier right after the game clock goes to 0 in our final game against Green Bay!!!! Alex Smith will be looking for a team next year, we need a new coach to understand you need a QB to win a Superbowl!!!

http://www.620wtmj.com/blogs/gregmatzek/18181...
CRASSUS

Green Bay, WI

#4 Dec 3, 2012
DSM Local wrote:
What Vikings fans are saying after the loss
The Green Bay Packers improved to 8-4 on the season after a 23-14 win over the Minnesota Vikings Sunday at Lambeau Field. The win, combined with a Bears loss, allowed the Packers to move into a first place tie with Chicago atop the NFC North. By virtue of their week 2 win over Chicago, the Packers own the first tie-breaker at the moment.
The Vikings, meanwhile, suffered a damaging loss. While they are still in the playoff discussion at 6-6, they are behind Dallas and Tampa Bay in the tie-breaker world. Below is a sampling of what Vikings fans are saying after the loss to the Packers. As always, the comments have not been altered from their original state.
What a wasted performance by AP! Ponder sucks.
Bob Schmahl

Saint Paul, MN

#6 Dec 3, 2012
This from the best example of a wasted human being alive..
DSM Local

Ankeny, IA

#7 Dec 3, 2012
CRASSUS wrote:
<quoted text>What a wasted performance by AP! Ponder sucks.
season is over the vikings may win 1-2 more games
DSM Local

Ankeny, IA

#8 Dec 3, 2012
CRASSUS wrote:
<quoted text>What a wasted performance by AP! Ponder sucks.
as for the cardinals you really need to draft a QB
idiot frazier

Ankeny, IA

#11 Dec 3, 2012
So why stick with Ponder?

"We do have confidence that Christian will continue to get better," Frazier said.

But the Vikings coach also acknowledged, in so many ways, that Ponder isn't getting it done. When assessing Sunday's loss, which effectively knocked the Vikings out of the NFC North race, Frazier cited turnovers -- both attributed to Ponder -- as the bottom line.

"We're not a good enough team right now to win in minus (turnover) situations," he said. "We're not."

And when criticizing his wide receivers for not getting open against Green Bay's man-to-man coverage, Frazier quickly added there were "other times where we had that separation and we didn't get the ball there in a timely fashion, and it cost us."

Ponder, the Vikings' first-round pick (12th overall) in the 2011 draft, has had his moments this season, most of them during a 5-2 start that raised the bar in what was initially expected to be a rough season. He rallied the team past Jacksonville in the season opener, led an efficient attack in an upset over San Francisco and didn't throw an interception until a Week 5 victory over Tennessee.

Since then, however, he has thrown as many interceptions (eight) as touchdowns while team Vikings have gone 3-5.

"We think he's more than capable of being successful," Frazier said. "He showed it early in the season; he has played some consistent football for us. We've got to get him back to playing that way, playing winning football. We think he's capable of getting that done, and we're going to need it for sure (against Chicago)."

The Bears enter Sunday's game with an 8-4 record, tied with Green Bay (8-4) atop the NFC North. Chicago leads the NFL in interceptions and turnover margin (plus-14).

Frazier said the decision to stick with Ponder is not a reflection of his confidence, or lack there of, in Webb. He did, however, acknowledge a philosophical reluctance to bench his starter.

"There's something there in my mind where you don't want to get into a situation where you're not sure who your No. 1 is," Frazier said. "We believe that Christian is our No. 1. We've gone through offseason, training camp, during the season, now.

"That being said, if things get to a point where your No. 1 is really costing you some situations that could preclude winning, you do have to do what's best for the football team. That's always the case. It's always about what's best for the team. Up to this point, I felt that what's best for the team is that Christian remains our No. 1 quarterback, and I still feel that way."
idiot frazier

Ankeny, IA

#12 Dec 3, 2012
Asked if sticking with Ponder could signal a double standard to players who live with the specter of being benched, Frazier also acknowledged some concern.

"I've thought about that a lot because when you're struggling at a position, the guys know how we talked about everybody doing their jobs and why it's important for us to have our success," the coach said. "You don't want to send mixed messages at any position. It's important that all the positions do their jobs and function well. The quarterback position is always under that bright light.

"We believe that Christian is going to continue to develop and grow and be the quarterback that we all expect him to be. That being said, there's a lot riding on this next ballgame for our football team and I'm sure there are a lot of guys looking and wondering if we can get it done under the current situation. I believe we can."

http://www.twincities.com/sports/ci_22116538/...
The Truth Squad

Rancho Mirage, CA

#15 Dec 3, 2012
When Ponder is under pressure he has the "deer in the headlights'" look about him. He needs to have a veteran QB backing him up to help him out. Sorry Viking fans, looking at the upcoming schedule, they have won their last game for the year. And Webb is not the answer. If he was he would have been starting by now. Surprised thou the offense have not run the wildcat with Webb and Ponder in the back field. No imagination with the current offensive coach.
DSM Local

Ankeny, IA

#16 Dec 3, 2012
1.Would you believe that Adrian Peterson already has produced his second-highest yardage total for an entire season in his career? That's right. Peterson's 210-yard performance Sunday puts him at 1,446 yards through 12 games. That pushed him past his season total of 1,383 yards in 2009 and left him behind the 1,760 yards he gained in 2008. Sunday, he gained 117 yards after contact, according to ESPN Stats & Information. That's the most of any running back in the NFL this season, and quite frankly Peterson is running better than he has at any point in his NFL career. What's sad is that he was genuinely kicking himself afterward for not scoring on a 48-yard run in the third quarter, a play that put the Vikings in scoring position but did not lead to points because of a Christian Ponder fumble. There have only been eight games in NFL history when a team has squandered a 200-yard game by a running back, and Sunday was one of them.
2.There were no visible cracks in the Vikings' support for Ponder, not from coach Leslie Frazier or any of a number of players who spoke confidently about his promise. But we should note that Ponder is on the brink of putting the Vikings in a near-impossible situation this offseason. His play has been competent at some points this season, enough so to conjure a future vision of a smart, efficient quarterback who finds non-flashy ways to win. But he produced too many clunkers, games that are below standard for any NFL quarterback, to feel confident about him. Sunday, with a running back gashing the opposing defense for 210 yards, he still couldn't complete a pass between the 12:18 mark of the second quarter and the 3:32 mark in the fourth quarter. So unless Ponder finishes the season with four really efficient starts, the Vikings will be in the unenviable position of risking their 2013 season on an unproven third-year quarterback. Otherwise, they could either give up and start over or hedge their bet with a mid-level addition such as Alex Smith. None of those answers sound great to me.
3.After a midseason disappearing act, tight end Kyle Rudolph has re-emerged as the threat we thought he would be when the season began. He has caught touchdown passes in three consecutive games, hauling in a total of 18 passes over that stretch, and had a chance at another score on a bootleg pass Sunday if Ponder had delivered the ball more crisply and accurately. He now has 45 receptions on the season and his eight touchdowns trails only Rob Gronkowski of the New England Patriots among NFL tight ends. An offense with a big tight end and a powerful running back can go places, if of course the quarterback does his part.
DSM Local

Ankeny, IA

#17 Dec 3, 2012
The Truth Squad wrote:
When Ponder is under pressure he has the "deer in the headlights'" look about him. He needs to have a veteran QB backing him up to help him out. Sorry Viking fans, looking at the upcoming schedule, they have won their last game for the year. And Webb is not the answer. If he was he would have been starting by now. Surprised thou the offense have not run the wildcat with Webb and Ponder in the back field. No imagination with the current offensive coach.
do you think webb is so bad that like ponder he couldn't complete a pass to a wr until there is only 2 minutes of garbage time left in the game

Webb has a better career so far than ponder, how do you explain that?
Comrade Slew

Ankeny, IA

#18 Dec 3, 2012
I feel the need to spam!
idiot frazier

Ankeny, IA

#19 Dec 3, 2012
There are certain decisions that have "coaches favorite" stamped all over them. Why on earth when you have one of the better guards in the NFL in Geoff Schwartz (+0.9 in 16 plays) do you rotate him with someone playing as poorly as Brandon Fusco (-1.2 in 39 plays). Unless of course you drafted Fusco and want to prove what a talent spotting whiz you are.
idiot frazier

Ankeny, IA

#20 Dec 3, 2012
Hmm...going with "your guy" that you drafted, even though he's struggling mightily, instead of looking for someone better? The Vikings staff wouldn't dream of doing something like that, would they?
Bob Schmahl

Minneapolis, MN

#21 Dec 3, 2012
McCain Shows Sympathy For Filibuster Reform

WASHINGTON -- On Monday, Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) expressed sympathy with supporters of filibuster reform -- albeit in a low-key tone.

During a Senate floor discussion of the defense authorization bill, McCain took a swipe at Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) and his filibuster threats and stall tactics.

"I've just been informed that the senator from Kentucky has objected, voiced an objection to taking up any further unanimous consent agreements or votes," McCain lamented. "That means that there will be many, many amendments which have been approved by both sides which will now not be allowed to be offered or acted upon."

Paul's maneuver is known in the Senate as a hold. It's enough to make McCain sympathize with Senate rules reform.

"All I can say to my friend, the chairman, is that again I find it disappointing that one member of the United States Senate feels that his particular agenda is so important that it affects the lives and the readiness and the capabilities of the men and women who are serving in the military and our ability to defend this nation," McCain said. "And much to my dismay, it lends some credence to the -- to the argument that maybe we ought not to do business the way that we are doing here in the United States Senate."

The argument he's referring to is being made by Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.), who has pledged to take up filibuster reform.

But Paul's move could also be seen in the opposite light. He has regularly used stalling tactics to stand up for civil liberties, including opposition to indefinite detention.

A Paul spokeswoman said the senator has since lifted his hold, and is negotiating with the bill's leaders on a path forward.
Comrade Slew

Ankeny, IA

#23 Dec 3, 2012
HAHAHA I SPAM!!!
The Truth Squad

Rancho Mirage, CA

#24 Dec 3, 2012
DSM Local wrote:
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do you think webb is so bad that like ponder he couldn't complete a pass to a wr until there is only 2 minutes of garbage time left in the game
Webb has a better career so far than ponder, how do you explain that?
How do you explain that he has not started a game this year. I could use a knowledgeable answer.
DSM Local

Ankeny, IA

#25 Dec 3, 2012
The Truth Squad wrote:
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How do you explain that he has not started a game this year. I could use a knowledgeable answer.
Frazier is incompetent
Amused Slew

Seattle, WA

#26 Dec 3, 2012
Or you're a moron, with a dumb opinion... More likely, given your "behavior".
CRASSUS

Green Bay, WI

#27 Dec 3, 2012
DSM Local wrote:
<quoted text>
do you think webb is so bad that like ponder he couldn't complete a pass to a wr until there is only 2 minutes of garbage time left in the game
Webb has a better career so far than ponder, how do you explain that?
Webb is too much like the cross between a Spider Monkey and a Rabbit. The first sign of danger, the ears pop up and he runs.

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