Escaping the past

There are 136 comments on the TwinCities.com story from Jun 18, 2008, titled Escaping the past. In it, TwinCities.com reports that:

MICKEY NASSEFF NEAR THE PASSAGE WAY, AN ALLEGED FABLED LOST TUNNEL OF LOVE IN THE LOWER SANCTUM OF THE MINNESOTA CLUB TO THE WICKED BOUDOIRS OF NINA CLIFFORD, IN ST.

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OneLostCustomer

Cottage Grove, MN

#137 Jul 18, 2008
"the careless kid on a bike having fun and not watching where he was going...(where does a parent's responsibility end?) We all were taught to look both ways when we cross the street, right?"

And now, a word from LetsBlameTheParentsForTheChildsDeath.com

"P.S. Bet this stirs the hornets nest up"
It appears that was the sole purpose of your post K Dog. Fail.
Rhodster

Saint Paul, MN

#138 Jul 19, 2008
My concern is that we (ashamedly, I include myself) can read a short newspaper article or see a brief television news clip and formulate an opinion solely on what was presented.
How many of us were aware of this tragic incident that day it took place, over 43 years ago? Were we present at the original trial? Rhetorical questions, I know. Many of us have never met, nor will we ever meet, the Wedesí family or John "Mickey" Nasseff Jr. But, after reading a one page article we are sufficiently informed to offer our opinions concerning the matter.
Fortunately, our constitution affords us all the right to our voice our opinions without fear of reprisals. But if we are quick to formulate our judgments and opinions, basing them on our limited understanding, biases and prejudices, who does that serve?
What may have been an article about a legal court practice has evolved into a public outcry. My questions are to the Pioneer Press, Emily Gurnon and the editor, who was advising and overseeing this article. What made this story "rontpage" news? Was the article accurate, fair and impartial? What was the articles goal and did it achieve itís intent? Are we, the readers, more informed about the procedure of "expunging court records" or are we left with a story about a 64 year old manís tragic mistake? A story, I might add, written in such a way as to arouse our hostilities and frustrations towards a court system and real or perceived "justices". I feel for the Wedes' family who, after 43 years, are now having to relive and deal with the pain and anguish of so long ago. Was that the articles intent? I do not believe it was. For John "Mickey" Nasseff, what was to be a court hearing, sealing his felony conviction from 43 years ago, has brought an outcry of public opinion against him. I certainly do not think that was your intent, either.
But, if your intent was to create readership to bolster advertisement revenue, pad a resume with another frontpage article or stir up controversy, you have succeeded.
His error in judgment in 1965 created many hurts and wounds that few of us can truly understand. If he abided by the courts sentencing, whatís left for him to do?
"Inherent with the power of the pen is great responsibility".
OneLostCustomer

Cottage Grove, MN

#139 Jul 19, 2008
Rhodster, it's is the apparant lack of remorse appears to have people upset. That, and Nasseffs callus comments about "Burying" the incident.

Also, 43 years later, he decides "I was denied the right to purchase a shotgun. If in the future additional issues arise, it makes sense to resolve this issue now." 43 years later he decides to resolve this? Something smells funny.

If the facts of all this sound bad, it's because they ARE bad.

"Inherent with the power of the pen is great responsibility".

I will go you one better: "Inherent with the power of a gun is great responsibility"

I for one, dont care to have my local felons carrying a gun. I am funny that way,,,,
less thee be judged

Minneapolis, MN

#140 Jul 19, 2008
OneLostCustomer wrote:
Rhodster, it's is the apparant lack of remorse appears to have people upset. That, and Nasseffs callus comments about "Burying" the incident.
Also, 43 years later, he decides "I was denied the right to purchase a shotgun. If in the future additional issues arise, it makes sense to resolve this issue now." 43 years later he decides to resolve this? Something smells funny.
If the facts of all this sound bad, it's because they ARE bad.
"Inherent with the power of the pen is great responsibility".
I will go you one better: "Inherent with the power of a gun is great responsibility"
I for one, dont care to have my local felons carrying a gun. I am funny that way,,,,
In reference to Mr Nasseffs callous comments: were you there for this interview? You have no idea in what context his response of "putting this behind him or burying this" was given. You can't honestly believe he was quoted exactly in that article. As far as not wanting felons to carry weapons: If Mr Nasseff was such a menace to society don't you think with his money he could have found a way to purchase a gun (which by the way I believe he wanted a hunting license) illegally? NO as a law abiding citizen he went thru the legal system. Unfortunetly for him Ellen saw a name that could get her story on the front page. As I stated before who else was in court that day for the same reason.
OneLostCustomer

Cottage Grove, MN

#141 Jul 19, 2008
"You can't honestly believe he was quoted exactly in that article"

My good sir. The statement was in quotation marks. That is EXACTLY what he said. You must understand the difference between a paraphrase and quote. If (As it was n this article) it's in quotes, it means to repeat his EXACT words.

You cant honestly not know the difference. Can you?
Cindy Stainker

Saint Paul, MN

#142 Jul 19, 2008
A Mom wrote:
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I totally agree. It's so sad because I'm sure the courts were thinking "well, this happened so long ago, no need to notify the family". Yeah, like they forgot about their little boy *eyeroll* I'm a firm believer that the so called "justice system" is here to protect the criminals, not the victims. I've seen it happen too many times not to think that. Don't get me wrong, alot of victims come out getting the justice they deserve, but it seems like it's all about protecting the criminals who committed the crime.
We are in agreement there.
Buttomfly

Madison, WI

#143 Jul 20, 2008
Too many times they make criminals out of innocent people who tried to help the real victims. Everytime I hear a story about people not helping a victim out of fear of some stupid punishment for getting involved I cringe. Been there, done that, it's not worth the devastation they leave you in when its all over.

The prosecutors protect the criminals everyday, making deals for coerced statements, trying to make a point that what they call "vigilante justice" serves no purpose, and just finding reasons to brush aside cases that they see as an easy mark on their spreadsheets.

If you haven't been involved in the justice system recently that your tax dollars are paying for, you have no idea how disgusting it really is.

“Accept me for me or be gone!”

Since: Apr 08

Palo Alto, CA

#144 Jul 21, 2008
OneLostCustomer wrote:
"the careless kid on a bike having fun and not watching where he was going...(where does a parent's responsibility end?) We all were taught to look both ways when we cross the street, right?"
And now, a word from LetsBlameTheParentsForTheChildsDeath.com
"P.S. Bet this stirs the hornets nest up"
It appears that was the sole purpose of your post K Dog. Fail.
Even if he did look both way prior to crossing the street, the dude was speeding, well over the speed limit, and a young child isn't going to be able to tell that just by glancing down the street...the car may have been far enough away for him to safely cross when he initially saw it...
Marsha F

United States

#145 Jul 21, 2008
OneLostCustomer wrote:
"You can't honestly believe he was quoted exactly in that article"
My good sir. The statement was in quotation marks. That is EXACTLY what he said. You must understand the difference between a paraphrase and quote. If (As it was n this article) it's in quotes, it means to repeat his EXACT words.
You cant honestly not know the difference. Can you?
Does your hat come to a point at the top? Not many people anymore believe even 51% of what is in ANY newspaper...well, except you maybe. If you actually believe that if it's got quotation marks it is the absolute truth, then I suggest you wake up, take off your Dunce Cap and remove those narrow-minded glasses. There's a better view of the world than what you are seeing.
OneLostCustomer

Cottage Grove, MN

#146 Jul 21, 2008
[quote]wake up, take off your Dunce Cap[/quote]
No way. After all, one MUST hide the point on one's head after all.

Go back to your NASCAR race, and check your oven. The meatloaf is going to burn your trailer down.:-)
family member of Mickey

Saint Paul, MN

#147 Jul 29, 2008
The purpose of this article is merely brought forward because of the popular name! Aren't there current events more important, why is something so tradegic and so old on the front page? Disgusting if you ask me? This article was for the growth of Emily Gurnon's career! This tradegic accident was horrible for both families and always will be! This article was unjustly written! How ignorant for all of you to take one persons inaccurate view to be the truth! Do any of you really believe that Mickey's comments were quoted properly? Do you really think a day goes by that he doesn't remember John Wedes name or this tradegy? Just because someone uses quotations doesn't mean a darn thing! Mickey is far from heartless and he has been unjustly portrayed here! A good question to ask Emily Gurnon is why wasn't the other person involved in the drag race name not mentioned or asked her comments on this tradegy? She truly was just as much to blame for this drag race as Mickey was, if not more! Why is Mickey's succcess in a company he started 40 years ago deamed so harshly or what is the importance here? He worked his butt off to get where he is today! Do any of you have any idea what this article and comments have done to his family? What about his kids or grandkids? Do any of you have a soul? This tradegy was 43 years ago, leave the Wedes and the Nasseff families be! Sad that grown adults can behave so childish!
friend

United States

#148 Nov 24, 2008
The reporter wanted to make a name for herself and she did.

“Get RIGHT or be left”

Since: Nov 07

www.dreamindemon.com

#149 Nov 25, 2008
family member of Mickey wrote:
The purpose of this article is merely brought forward because of the popular name! Aren't there current events more important, why is something so tradegic and so old on the front page? Disgusting if you ask me? This article was for the growth of Emily Gurnon's career! This tradegic accident was horrible for both families and always will be! This article was unjustly written! How ignorant for all of you to take one persons inaccurate view to be the truth! Do any of you really believe that Mickey's comments were quoted properly? Do you really think a day goes by that he doesn't remember John Wedes name or this tradegy? Just because someone uses quotations doesn't mean a darn thing! Mickey is far from heartless and he has been unjustly portrayed here! A good question to ask Emily Gurnon is why wasn't the other person involved in the drag race name not mentioned or asked her comments on this tradegy? She truly was just as much to blame for this drag race as Mickey was, if not more! Why is Mickey's succcess in a company he started 40 years ago deamed so harshly or what is the importance here? He worked his butt off to get where he is today! Do any of you have any idea what this article and comments have done to his family? What about his kids or grandkids? Do any of you have a soul? This tradegy was 43 years ago, leave the Wedes and the Nasseff families be! Sad that grown adults can behave so childish!
That is correct. 43 years the Wedes family lacked a son and grandchildren. Where is your soul, O Selfish One? It is exactly your attitude and seeminly the attitude of Mickey that suggests a complete lack of remorse (cannot remember the child's name).

Ever had someone die as a child or in a car accident? I didn't think so.
Family member of Mickey

Saint Paul, MN

#150 Jan 12, 2009
Jeff T in MPLS wrote:
<quoted text>
That is correct. 43 years the Wedes family lacked a son and grandchildren. Where is your soul, O Selfish One? It is exactly your attitude and seeminly the attitude of Mickey that suggests a complete lack of remorse (cannot remember the child's name).
Ever had someone die as a child or in a car accident? I didn't think so.


And do you honestly believe that Mickey hasn't carried this accident for 43 years? You possibly can't think for a second that he did not remember his name! After noticing how many articles you make comments to, you obviously don't have much of a life! Unless you know these people - from either family - leave them all alone and mind your own business! Shame on you for being so ignorant!
Abe

Minneapolis, MN

#151 Aug 27, 2010
John was my uncle and to see this dude get away with murder is REDICULOUS!!!!!!!!!!
Burton Selsback

Saint Paul, MN

#152 Oct 8, 2013
friend wrote:
The reporter wanted to make a name for herself and she did.
She posted an article like that on myself. Although it was dismissed it still appears in at least four publications online submitted by guess who. Your right she could care less about people its just about making a name for herself. Her managing editor is just as bad. Innocent until proven guilty not with Emily. She crucified a lady for taking an ashtray from work after she was canned. Her reporting is the worst and is never in line. She always has the persons name address town and everything on the article. I called her and asked her to update the article and she said Im sorry I usually double check to see if there were any changes. Bull# I had contact ed her for 2 years and nothing changed. Then she used her managing editor as the excuse that they could not remove the article. She needs to be brought to court and stopped. People like her always get worse.

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