More union stupidity.

[Smart Liberal]

I guess earning $0 per hour is more satisfying for the union members than accepting a 15% raise.

Congrats to the union. Another Christmas with no presents under the tree.

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Locked-out American Crystal workers vote down contract in fourth vote

Minneapolis / St. Paul Business Journal by Mark Reilly, Managing Editor

Date: Monday, December 3, 2012, 7:19am CST

American Crystal Sugar workers once again rejected the company's contract offer, 16 months after being locked out in a labor dispute.

Minnesota Public Radio reports that 55 percent of the workers rejected the contract in a vote on Saturday, the fourth time the union has voted down virtually the same offer from the company's Moorhead, Minn., factory.

Previous votes were by wider margins, and the ranks of workers have thinned by half this time around, the Star Tribune reported last week; many have quit or moved away.

http://www.bizjournals.com/twincities/morning...

[Amused Slew]

Seems like you "do" funny math...Why is it "$0 per hour" again ??

"Previous votes were by wider margins, and the ranks of workers have thinned by half this time around, the Star Tribune reported last week; many have quit or moved away."

Read that to say retired, moved on to better jobs, or went back to school...

Of course, it's poor management, AGAIN/ALWAYS...

But union leaders say the contract would “dismantle union workers’ health coverage,” and also compromises safety and product quality with a disregard for the value of union workers.

In advance of the vote, the union had been emphasizing the grower-owned cooperative’s diminished financial performance since the lockout began.

[Smart Liberal]

Amused Slew wrote:

Seems like you "do" funny math...Why is it "$0 per hour" again ??

Let's see now...if they are not working at the plant, they are making nothing.

Amused Slew wrote:

"Previous votes were by wider margins, and the ranks of workers have thinned by half this time around, the Star Tribune reported last week; many have quit or moved away."
Read that to say retired, moved on to better jobs, or went back to school....

Call it what you want. They voted not to return to their old jobs. as for your "better jobs" comment...you don't know that. Again you are making shyt up.

Amused Slew wrote:

Of course, it's poor management, AGAIN/ALWAYS...
But union leaders say the contract would “dismantle union workers’ health coverage,” and also compromises safety and product quality with a disregard for the value of union workers.
In advance of the vote, the union had been emphasizing the grower-owned cooperative’s diminished financial performance since the lockout began.

Oh yeah, those brilliant union leaders that said the company would fold and everyone would get raises bigger than the 15%. Yep, those are very credible sources for quotes regarding a labor battle they lost.

[Niether of the Above]

So, a union worker making 45K a year, just lost about 60k over the past 16 months because they were going to pay more for health care. Once again the stupidity of these people confounds me. As far as I can tell, profitable or not, the managers and other non-union staff are still collecting paychecks so what real world rational can these people be thinking about? They have lost a year of wages they can never make up and 55% still voted against it! Amazing stupidity!

[Amused Slew]

I'm so sorry you don't understand simple logic...See, the jobs are better or they'd go back to the "better" offer...You must be a complete moron, Hertz, huh ???
Many union workers have moved on to other jobs. About 520 of them have notified Crystal Sugar they've retired or quit, up from about 400 in June, said Brian Ingulsrud, a company vice president.
The lockout has hurt the company's bottom line, too. Its cost of sales in the fiscal year ending Aug. 31 was up by $180 million over the previous year, partly due to costs incurred from the lockout, according to Crystal's annual report recently filed with U.S. securities regulators.
The report also showed that Dave Berg, the firm's CEO, got an 11 percent increase in base pay to $654,000 during the fiscal year, which started a month after the lockout began.
But Berg got no short-term cash bonus, whereas he pulled in bonuses of $414,000 and $341,000 in the previous two years. The CEO's cash bonus "ranges from 0 percent [of base salary] for unsatisfactory performance to a maximum of 90 percent for outstanding performance," the report said.
Budd said public relations may have played a part in the lack of a cash bonus for Berg, who made a total of $1.7 million in Crystal's last fiscal year.
"It would further fan the flames," Budd said, "if the CEO was getting an additional bonus while workers are on picket lines losing their unemployment and their houses."

[Smart Liberal]

Amused Slew wrote:

I'm so sorry you don't understand simple logic...See, the jobs are better or they'd go back to the "better" offer...You must be a complete moron, Hertz, huh ???
Many union workers have moved on to other jobs. About 520 of them have notified Crystal Sugar they've retired or quit, up from about 400 in June, said Brian Ingulsrud, a company vice president.
The lockout has hurt the company's bottom line, too. Its cost of sales in the fiscal year ending Aug. 31 was up by $180 million over the previous year, partly due to costs incurred from the lockout, according to Crystal's annual report recently filed with U.S. securities regulators.
The report also showed that Dave Berg, the firm's CEO, got an 11 percent increase in base pay to $654,000 during the fiscal year, which started a month after the lockout began.
But Berg got no short-term cash bonus, whereas he pulled in bonuses of $414,000 and $341,000 in the previous two years. The CEO's cash bonus "ranges from 0 percent [of base salary] for unsatisfactory performance to a maximum of 90 percent for outstanding performance," the report said.
Budd said public relations may have played a part in the lack of a cash bonus for Berg, who made a total of $1.7 million in Crystal's last fiscal year.
"It would further fan the flames," Budd said, "if the CEO was getting an additional bonus while workers are on picket lines losing their unemployment and their houses."

Do you even read what you post? You start out saying that everyone got better jobs and moved on.

Then the final line of the uncredited union talking points that you posted read: " ... while workers are on picket lines losing their unemployment and their houses."

Yep, those union members are sure smart for choosing $0 per hour instead of a 15% raise on $20 per hour range for unskilled labor.

[Cool Hand Clem]

Unions suck!

[Amused Slew]

It would further fan the flames," "IF the CEO was getting an additional bonus while workers are on picket lines losing their unemployment and their houses."

Poor TrashyLiar, copying a quote IS TO TOUGH, huh ???

[Amused Slew]

About 520 of them have notified Crystal Sugar they've retired or quit, up from about 400 in June, said Brian Ingulsrud, a company vice president.

[Amused Slew]

Funny how terrified you are to acknowledge corporate greed, are you afraid you'll have to actually work ??? Oh yeah, you "tried" and 2 1/4 hours later...RAN AWAY ~!

http://boycottacs.com/

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Amused Slew wrote:

About 520 of them have notified Crystal Sugar they've retired or quit, up from about 400 in June, said Brian Ingulsrud, a company vice president.

If those 520 could get better jobs or retire, why strike? Because they couldn't, and they can't afford to keep on waiting, so the ones that quit found "other" employment, not necessarily "better" employment.

[Bob Schmahl]

You are an anti-middle class butthole surfer.

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Bob Schmahl wrote:

You are an anti-middle class butthole surfer.

Since when should fast food jobs pay middle class wages? I know this is the Crystal Sugar topic, however, you have posted this same lame reply on multiple boards. I am all for the middle class, but if you raise menial fast food jobs to middle class pay levels, either the companies go bankrupt, or they automate more and reduce total headcount. It might be the way to go anyway.

[Bob Schmahl]

It's this simple: all Americans deserve a living wage and benefits.

ALL AMERICANS!

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Bob Schmahl wrote:

It's this simple: all Americans deserve a living wage and benefits.
ALL AMERICANS!

All Amricans should and do have equal opportunities to earn a living wage, but not all Americans are willing to do what it takes to earn a living wage. All unions do is take away opportunities for employers and employees.

[Bob Schmahl]

No. Unions provide livable wages and benefits for workers. Union members make more than nonunion workers doing the same jobs, have better benefits and more job security.

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Bob Schmahl wrote:

No. Unions provide livable wages and benefits for workers. Union members make more than nonunion workers doing the same jobs, have better benefits and more job security.

Union members make more doing less with less quality. Compare GM cars built in the 90's to Toyotas built in Ohio in the 90's. The Toyota workers were paid less, produced more and better products. The union prevented GM from competing.

[Robert]

Bob Schmahl wrote:

No. Unions provide livable wages and benefits for workers. Union members make more than nonunion workers doing the same jobs, have better benefits and more job security.

So my power bill that goes up 7 to 8% every year is what exactly? It is an increase to pay the union Lineman more, and the cost is passed on to the consumer. I can not just go to another power company because they are the only one in my area. No, i just have to pay or have no power. Unions only care about themselves. They do not care if the consumer can pay or not because it is all about them.

[Niether of the Above]

All the BS aside, the logic being spewed by the moronic union supporters is just typical of those who have no idea or backbone of their own, The workers don't have jobs, no money coming in and they still continue to be led like sheep to the slaughter, by union bosses who are getting paid. Stupid Period

[Robert]

Just move the plant to Kansas, a right to work state. Plenty of people here willing to take 20 an hour job.