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“I am always right.”

Since: Oct 09

Former MN Taxpayer

#1 Dec 15, 2013
This is very good news. Even the Leftists at the AP are finally admitting that Obamacare is going to screw over most Americans.

2014 - here we come!

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AP-GfK poll: Obama's health care problem goes beyond website as many say coverage is eroding

Article by: JENNIFER AGIESTA , Associated Press

Updated: December 15, 2013 - 12:05 PM

WASHINGTON — Americans who already have health insurance are blaming President Barack Obama's health care overhaul for their rising premiums and deductibles, and overall 3 in 4 say the rollout of coverage for the uninsured has gone poorly.

An Associated Press-GfK poll finds that health care remains politically charged going into next year's congressional elections. Keeping the refurbished HealthCare.gov website running smoothly is just one of Obama's challenges, maybe not the biggest.

The poll found a striking level of unease about the law among people who have health insurance and aren't looking for any more government help. Those are the 85 percent of Americans who the White House says don't have to be worried about the president's historic push to expand coverage for the uninsured.

In the survey, nearly half of those with job-based or other private coverage say their policies will be changing next year — mostly for the worse. Nearly 4 in 5 (77 percent) blame the changes on the Affordable Care Act, even though the trend toward leaner coverage predates the law's passage.

Sixty-nine percent say their premiums will be going up, while 59 percent say annual deductibles or copayments are increasing.

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Hey Redeemer, how much is 69 percent plus 59 percent? 128 percent of Americans hate Obamacare.
No Exemptions For Dems

Saint Paul, MN

#2 Dec 15, 2013
No exemptions for the democratic congressional staffers. If they think ACA/ Obama Care is so good then they should be willing to be on it too, with no exemptions.
redeemer

Saint Paul, MN

#3 Dec 16, 2013
IrishMN wrote:
This is very good news. Even the Leftists at the AP are finally admitting that Obamacare is going to screw over most Americans.
2014 - here we come!
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AP-GfK poll: Obama's health care problem goes beyond website as many say coverage is eroding
Article by: JENNIFER AGIESTA , Associated Press
Updated: December 15, 2013 - 12:05 PM
WASHINGTON — Americans who already have health insurance are blaming President Barack Obama's health care overhaul for their rising premiums and deductibles, and overall 3 in 4 say the rollout of coverage for the uninsured has gone poorly.
An Associated Press-GfK poll finds that health care remains politically charged going into next year's congressional elections. Keeping the refurbished HealthCare.gov website running smoothly is just one of Obama's challenges, maybe not the biggest.
The poll found a striking level of unease about the law among people who have health insurance and aren't looking for any more government help. Those are the 85 percent of Americans who the White House says don't have to be worried about the president's historic push to expand coverage for the uninsured.
In the survey, nearly half of those with job-based or other private coverage say their policies will be changing next year — mostly for the worse. Nearly 4 in 5 (77 percent) blame the changes on the Affordable Care Act, even though the trend toward leaner coverage predates the law's passage.
Sixty-nine percent say their premiums will be going up, while 59 percent say annual deductibles or copayments are increasing.
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Hey Redeemer, how much is 69 percent plus 59 percent? 128 percent of Americans hate Obamacare.
Hey fraud what kind of arithmetic or you using here? Hitler was right when he said that great liar's are also great magicans.
How did you get 128 percent from a 100 percent please explain or spin your your arithmetic
dementia can be treated.

“I am always right.”

Since: Oct 09

Former MN Taxpayer

#4 Dec 16, 2013
redeemer wrote:
<quoted text> Hey fraud what kind of arithmetic or you using here? Hitler was right when he said that great liar's are also great magicans.
How did you get 128 percent from a 100 percent please explain or spin your your arithmetic
dementia can be treated.
Way to go fake Black guy. You got the math right. Now, let's talk about the fact that the majority of Americans now say they are getting screwed with Obamacare. You want to take up that topic?

Or would you rather try to throw insults in order to deflect from the fact that Obamacare is designed to hurt middle class families?

Next ... nice Hitler reference. When you have nothing else, always fall back on that one.

Are you man enough to stay on topic and argue for your side?

Since: Sep 11

Rogers, MN

#5 Dec 16, 2013
IrishMN wrote:
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Way to go fake Black guy. You got the math right. Now, let's talk about the fact that the majority of Americans now say they are getting screwed with Obamacare. You want to take up that topic?
Or would you rather try to throw insults in order to deflect from the fact that Obamacare is designed to hurt middle class families?
Next ... nice Hitler reference. When you have nothing else, always fall back on that one.
Are you man enough to stay on topic and argue for your side?
That's some tricky math there Irish. And I don't honestly believe that Obamacare was "designed" to hurt anyone. In fact, it was the complete lack of any coherent plan that is the real problem here. They only thing they actually "designed" was the provisions to give free health insurance to as many people as possible. Most of whom already options at the state, county, and federal levels. What it was also not designed to do was reduce the cost of health care. And because of that, those costs are also skyrocketing.

“I am always right.”

Since: Oct 09

Former MN Taxpayer

#6 Dec 16, 2013
cantmakeitup wrote:
<quoted text>
That's some tricky math there Irish. And I don't honestly believe that Obamacare was "designed" to hurt anyone. In fact, it was the complete lack of any coherent plan that is the real problem here. They only thing they actually "designed" was the provisions to give free health insurance to as many people as possible. Most of whom already options at the state, county, and federal levels. What it was also not designed to do was reduce the cost of health care. And because of that, those costs are also skyrocketing.
Hi there cant ... how the heck have you been? And an early Merry Christmas to you and yours.

You and I will have to agree to disagree if you say you don't think Obamacare was designed to hurt middle class families. Here is what I believe about this fiasco that the Government has foisted upon all American citizens:

1. It is a Ponzi scheme with the healthy younger people paying for the elderly and the uninsured.
2. It was designed so that those middle class families pay for the bulk of those that "can not afford to pay" for themselves.
3. The only way to get FREE and/or reduced cost health insurance for those who can not afford it is to have the middle class pay a higher share of the total costs.

It was designed to hurt the middle class by my definition.

Since: Sep 11

Rogers, MN

#7 Dec 16, 2013
IrishMN wrote:
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Hi there cant ... how the heck have you been? And an early Merry Christmas to you and yours.
You and I will have to agree to disagree if you say you don't think Obamacare was designed to hurt middle class families. Here is what I believe about this fiasco that the Government has foisted upon all American citizens:
1. It is a Ponzi scheme with the healthy younger people paying for the elderly and the uninsured.
2. It was designed so that those middle class families pay for the bulk of those that "can not afford to pay" for themselves.
3. The only way to get FREE and/or reduced cost health insurance for those who can not afford it is to have the middle class pay a higher share of the total costs.
It was designed to hurt the middle class by my definition.
Same holiday wishes to you and your.
Ok, I was being a bit facetious and contrary. I agree that pretty much anytime Congress does anything, it falls squarely on the backs of the middle class. It is, by far, the American way. But I would say it was more keenly designed to make sure the rich get richer and the poor get poorer and to create even more poor by hammering at the middle class.
LIbEralS

Minneapolis, MN

#8 Dec 16, 2013
IrishMN wrote:
<quoted text>
Hi there cant ... how the heck have you been? And an early Merry Christmas to you and yours.
You and I will have to agree to disagree if you say you don't think Obamacare was designed to hurt middle class families. Here is what I believe about this fiasco that the Government has foisted upon all American citizens:
1. It is a Ponzi scheme with the healthy younger people paying for the elderly and the uninsured.
2. It was designed so that those middle class families pay for the bulk of those that "can not afford to pay" for themselves.
3. The only way to get FREE and/or reduced cost health insurance for those who can not afford it is to have the middle class pay a higher share of the total costs.
It was designed to hurt the middle class by my definition.
There is a reason that even Washington Post’s Fact Checker gave Obama 4 Ponocchios for his “If you like your health care, you can keep it.” He knew that there would be no way that the Affordable Care Act would pass if he didn't lie.
redeemer

Saint Paul, MN

#9 Dec 16, 2013
IrishMN wrote:
<quoted text>
Way to go fake Black guy. You got the math right. Now, let's talk about the fact that the majority of Americans now say they are getting screwed with Obamacare. You want to take up that topic?
Or would you rather try to throw insults in order to deflect from the fact that Obamacare is designed to hurt middle class families?
Next ... nice Hitler reference. When you have nothing else, always fall back on that one.
Are you man enough to stay on topic and argue for your side?
First of all you call me on another one of your nonsense topics secondly your spin makes you look more silly then you already are so stop embarrassing yourself with your lame logic and foolish statements loser and keep your comments to your GOPT base ok idiot.
redeemer

Saint Paul, MN

#10 Dec 16, 2013
cantmakeitup wrote:
<quoted text>
That's some tricky math there Irish. And I don't honestly believe that Obamacare was "designed" to hurt anyone. In fact, it was the complete lack of any coherent plan that is the real problem here. They only thing they actually "designed" was the provisions to give free health insurance to as many people as possible. Most of whom already options at the state, county, and federal levels. What it was also not designed to do was reduce the cost of health care. And because of that, those costs are also skyrocketing.
For once you had a spine and enough courage to be a free thinker.
redeemer

Saint Paul, MN

#11 Dec 16, 2013
cantmakeitup wrote:
<quoted text>
Same holiday wishes to you and your.
Ok, I was being a bit facetious and contrary. I agree that pretty much anytime Congress does anything, it falls squarely on the backs of the middle class. It is, by far, the American way. But I would say it was more keenly designed to make sure the rich get richer and the poor get poorer and to create even more poor by hammering at the middle class.
Now you're apologizing for having a honest opinion now go and Irish that you're sorry and that you will be a good boy and never get out of place again madam.
redeemer

Saint Paul, MN

#12 Dec 16, 2013
LIbEralS wrote:
<quoted text>
There is a reason that even Washington Post’s Fact Checker gave Obama 4 Ponocchios for his “If you like your health care, you can keep it.” He knew that there would be no way that the Affordable Care Act would pass if he didn't lie.
Blah Blah you can keep your healthcare if you like,but do your insurance like you enough to keep you?

Since: Sep 11

Rogers, MN

#13 Dec 16, 2013
redeemer wrote:
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Now you're apologizing for having a honest opinion now go and Irish that you're sorry and that you will be a good boy and never get out of place again madam.
Go lay by your dish.
redeemer

Saint Paul, MN

#14 Dec 16, 2013
cantmakeitup wrote:
<quoted text>
Go lay by your dish.
The truth hurts I bet that you been a suck all of your fearful timid life you are the suck-a-along to get a-along, you're so weak that I feel really bad for you.

Also I really surprise that you had the nerve to wish that dumb loser happy holidays instead of merry xmas .
redeemer

Saint Paul, MN

#15 Dec 16, 2013
IrishMN wrote:
<quoted text>
Hi there cant ... how the heck have you been? And an early Merry Christmas to you and yours.
You and I will have to agree to disagree if you say you don't think Obamacare was designed to hurt middle class families. Here is what I believe about this fiasco that the Government has foisted upon all American citizens:
1. It is a Ponzi scheme with the healthy younger people paying for the elderly and the uninsured.
2. It was designed so that those middle class families pay for the bulk of those that "can not afford to pay" for themselves.
3. The only way to get FREE and/or reduced cost health insurance for those who can not afford it is to have the middle class pay a higher share of the total costs.
It was designed to hurt the middle class by my definition.
More of the same NONSENSE and LIES!

Since: Sep 11

Rogers, MN

#16 Dec 16, 2013
They really are desperate to get people to sign up.

http://www.nationalreview.com/campaign-spot/3...

The recent Harvard survey found 56 percent of young people disapprove of the Affordable Care Act, 39 percent approve. Only 20 percent said they plan to enroll through the exchanges after they are no longer covered by their parents’ plan; 47 percent described themselves as likely to enroll. Young people are wary because, as Baum acknowledges, it’s a bad deal: 44 percent believe their care will get worse under the new law; only 17 believe it will get better, and 50 percent believe they will pay more for care under ACA; only 10 percent believe they will pay less.

Average premiums for young people will range from $157 to $201 a month, which comes out to $1,884 to $2,412 per year.(This doesn’t account for deductibles, copays, etc.) Most uninsured young people don’t have that extra cash lying around – or if they do, they would prefer to spend it elsewhere.

Since: Sep 11

Rogers, MN

#17 Dec 16, 2013
redeemer wrote:
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Now you're apologizing for having a honest opinion now go and Irish that you're sorry and that you will be a good boy and never get out of place again madam.
Your lack of writing skills is only exceeded by your lack of reading comprehension skills.

“I am always right.”

Since: Oct 09

Former MN Taxpayer

#18 Dec 16, 2013
redeemer wrote:
<quoted text> More of the same NONSENSE and LIES!
Facts are not your friend - again.

But the facts are never your friend. That is why your arguments consist only of feeble attempts at personal insults and accusations.

If you want to argue your side, bring forth some facts to back up your position. Otherwise, STFU and let the adults discuss intelligent topics.
Laura

Minneapolis, MN

#19 Dec 16, 2013
Redeemer, you should give up. You are NOT ahead and never will be.

You are obviously outgunned in the IQ area.

You need a towel to throw in?
redeemer

Saint Paul, MN

#20 Dec 16, 2013
cantmakeitup wrote:
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Your lack of writing skills is only exceeded by your lack of reading comprehension skills.
Who made you a scholar? also writing skills and reading comprehension works fine for me especially on this forum and since I also more clever and smarter then you can ever be my simple typo's and slang is the only weapon that you can use to no avail sucker upper.

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