Think Conceal Carry Makes You Safe? Think Again!

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cantmakeitup

Minneapolis, MN

#1 Jun 23, 2013
It is hard to find a more zealous group than conceal carriers. Like George Zimmerman who killed Trayvon Martin in Florida last year, they see "bad guys" everywhere, have a high fear level and flatter themselves that they are keeping themselves and others safe.

Both are fantasies. Two years ago, the TV show 20/20 tested whether carriers could defend themselves against an armed assailant who they knew would storm the room they were in. Even with advance warning none of the carriers stopped the assailant even though some were well trained in firearms. Some carriers came close to injuring themselves and others had the ammo been live. Oops.



On cue, gun zealots cried the 20/20 test conditions were "unfair" as if conditions in real life would be fair and offer perfect conditions for them to demonstrate their conceal carry advantage. Right.



It is obvious conceal and carry does not protect the carriers or stop bad guys unless you consider Trayvon Martin a bad guy. But there is a more deadly side to conceal carry. Since 2007, conceal carriers have been responsible for 494 US civilian deaths, 23 mass shootings and the death of 14 law enforcement officers, according to data compiled by the Violence Policy Institute.
Romney 54 Obama 46

Minneapolis, MN

#3 Jun 23, 2013
America wants more gun control.
RACIST CRASSUS

Minneapolis, MN

#7 Jun 23, 2013
Democrats are liars wrote:
America was built on personal freedom. Not government regulation. America does not want more gun control. Government kool-aid drinkers want more gun control.
Good luck with those 19th century ideas.
Bushwhacker

Seattle, WA

#8 Jun 23, 2013
Personal freedom, where you pollute a site and they have to censor your rude blather, BUT you don't pay for it.

SIMPLIFIED to teabagger.

Freedom to benefit, but not pay ....
Bushwhacker

Seattle, WA

#9 Jun 24, 2013
Sure weapons make the day safer, nobody's shooting Chris Kyle... ANYMORE.

One last lesson, right .....
Bridgework

Lincoln, NE

#10 Jun 24, 2013
cantmakeitup wrote:
It is hard to find a more zealous group than conceal carriers. Like George Zimmerman who killed Trayvon Martin in Florida last year, they see "bad guys" everywhere, have a high fear level and flatter themselves that they are keeping themselves and others safe.
Both are fantasies. Two years ago, the TV show 20/20 tested whether carriers could defend themselves against an armed assailant who they knew would storm the room they were in. Even with advance warning none of the carriers stopped the assailant even though some were well trained in firearms. Some carriers came close to injuring themselves and others had the ammo been live. Oops.
On cue, gun zealots cried the 20/20 test conditions were "unfair" as if conditions in real life would be fair and offer perfect conditions for them to demonstrate their conceal carry advantage. Right.
It is obvious conceal and carry does not protect the carriers or stop bad guys unless you consider Trayvon Martin a bad guy. But there is a more deadly side to conceal carry. Since 2007, conceal carriers have been responsible for 494 US civilian deaths, 23 mass shootings and the death of 14 law enforcement officers, according to data compiled by the Violence Policy Institute.
Yes I do consider Trayvon Martin a bad guy. I consider Zimmerman a moron, but Trayvon was a violent thug.

P.S. Maybe you think it would have been better had Martin killed ZImmerman?
Bridgework

Lincoln, NE

#11 Jun 24, 2013
Bushwhacker wrote:
Sure weapons make the day safer, nobody's shooting Chris Kyle... ANYMORE.
One last lesson, right .....
What kind of scum makes fun of a murdered veteran?
Bushwhacker

Seattle, WA

#12 Jun 24, 2013
What kinda scum calls FACTS, making fun ??

Grow up, bYtch.... People are dying in OUR streets.

Since: Sep 11

Rogers, MN

#13 Jun 24, 2013
Pathetic Slew wrote:
<quoted text>
An antigun group is where you get your information? Of course you do. Try something factual for once. http://www.amazon.com/More-Guns-Less-Crime-Un...
What do you expect from posters who are not intelligent enough to make up their own monikers.
Bushwhacker

Seattle, WA

#14 Jun 24, 2013
What do you expect, from posters who are not intelligent enough to realize folks don't want to see your sexual dysfunction, cantgetitup....
Bridgework

Lincoln, NE

#15 Jun 24, 2013
Bushwhacker wrote:
What kinda scum calls FACTS, making fun ??
Grow up, bYtch.... People are dying in OUR streets.
"nobody's shooting Chris Kyle... ANYMORE"

What kind of loser makes fun of a MURDERED VETERAN?
Bushwhacker

Seattle, WA

#16 Jun 24, 2013
Bridgework wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes I do consider Trayvon Martin a bad guy. I consider Zimmerman a moron, but Trayvon was a violent thug.
P.S. Maybe you think it would have been better had Martin killed ZImmerman?
Maybe, STAYING IN THE VEHICLE LIKE HE WAS TOLD... was a better option.....

Since: Sep 11

Rogers, MN

#17 Jun 24, 2013
Democrats are liars wrote:
America was built on personal freedom. Not government regulation. America does not want more gun control. Government kool-aid drinkers want more gun control.
Dig deep enough and there will surely be some kind of profit motive for this attack on the second amendment.
Bushwhacker

Seattle, WA

#18 Jun 24, 2013
Really decided to dismiss reality & go with teabagger intuition ?? Did all the monikers agree ???

Does Chris Kyle get a vote ???

Oh right, DEAD !!!

What was it you said, a trained man with a gun always wins ???

NOPE DOPE !!!!
Bridgework

Lincoln, NE

#19 Jun 24, 2013
Bushwhacker wrote:
<quoted text>Maybe, STAYING IN THE VEHICLE LIKE HE WAS TOLD... was a better option.....
Do you do anything other then lie? He was never told to stay in his vehicle.

http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2012/03/20/911-call...
Bushwhacker

Seattle, WA

#21 Jun 24, 2013
Lets look at the evidence.

Zimmerman "appeared to be fixated on young black males"He warned residents to watch-out for young black males, he saw Trayvon as "real suspicious looking" he "looks like he was up to no good" " he looked like" he was on drugs or something" that "these a**holes always get away" The dispatcher told Zimmerman "we don't need you to do that" when Zimmerman said he was pursuing the teen, but Zimmerman ignored that and continued to pursue the teen anyway.

Apparently Zimmerman decided that this young black a**hole wasn't going to get away. Trayvon was guilty just because was a young black male. He didn't have to do anything wrong. He was guilty by association for any wrongs committed by any young black males, real or imagined by Zimmerman.

Zimmerman ignored the dispatcher. He ignored the neighborhood watch manual, if he ever read it. He ignore common sense. He ignored everything except his obsession with making a young black a**hole pay for crimes real or imagined in his mind.

It looks like he took advantage of the opportunity to carry out his obsession with young black males by using the Florida self defense law, that states if you feel threaten whether it's real or imagined you can use deadly force against a real or imagined threat.

I think Zimmerman pretended to feel threaten so he could finally get one of these black a**holes "who usually get away". That's why he's trying to make himself out to be the victim, incredulously saying it was he who was screaming for help on the calls not Trayvon Wilson. Is this guy unbelievable or what! So the question still screams for an answer.
why was Trayvon Martin shot and killed by George Zimmerman?
Was this a classic case of walking while black?

The police accepted Zimmerman's self-defense statement at face value even though he ignored the dispatcher telling him not to pursue the teen.

Since: Sep 11

Rogers, MN

#24 Jun 24, 2013
Democrats are liars wrote:
America was built on personal freedom. Not government regulation. America does not want more gun control. Government kool-aid drinkers want more gun control.
Nothing in the world will make you safe. Pity the nanny state socialists can't grasp that concept.
Concealed carry can and often does, however, make you safer.

But those kinds of stories are not nearly interesting enough to the media as repeating the death of James Gandolfini, over and over and over again for days on end.
Bushwhacker

Seattle, WA

#25 Jun 24, 2013
LIbEralS wrote:
<quoted text>
This sounds a lot like you.
Personal freedom, where you pollute a site and they have to censor your rude blather, BUT you don't pay for it.
SIMPLIFIED to SLEWpidity.
Freedom to benefit, but not pay ....
So, you're obsessed with me, pretending your posts aren't deleted, unoriginal & INCREDIBLY STOOPID, right ???

787 flying, THEN you're lying...

Oh sure, you make a BS statement of opinion, but the meat & potatoes is you're A moron !!!

So, it took 4 months, NOT the 6+ you wrote ??

Funny, you DID SAY NEVER, with lithium ion batteries, but now changed your "tune" !?? LMAOROFDU~

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/minneapolis-m ...
"Lithium ion batteries should NEVER have been approved for this application, and the FAA is more likely to mandate Boeing use a different battery technology."

Looks like, you said the FAA would MANDATE DIFFERENT BATTERIES, dumbass ~!!!
Bushwhacker

Seattle, WA

#26 Jun 25, 2013
Really decided to dismiss reality & go with teabagger intuition ??

Did all the monikers agree ???

Does Chris Kyle get a vote ???

Oh right, DEAD !!!

What was it you said, a trained man with a gun always wins ???

NOPE, still dead, DOPE !!!!

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