3D printing could muzzle new gun laws

3D printing could muzzle new gun laws

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Go For It

Ankeny, IA

#1 Feb 18, 2013
Gun owners who can't buy high capacity ammo magazines because of new laws have another option: Print them.

Gun control measures passed or proposed in the wake of the Sandy Hook school massacre have targeted magazines that can feed 30 rounds or more into the firing chambers of AR-15s and other semi-automatic guns. New York has banned magazines holding more than seven rounds, and a federal bill proposed by Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., would ban magazines holding more than 10 rounds.

But the laws are at least one step behind technology. Using 3D printers and schematics available on the Internet, gun owners can manufacture a fully functional, plastic magazine clip. Plans are free, although getting access to a 3D printer may prove expensive, at least for now.

“If you can download it, you can have it.”
- Cody Wilson, Defense Distributed/Wiki Weapons Project

“If you can download it, you can have it,” said University of Texas law student Cody Wilson, who is part of Defense Distributed, a group that has created the design for what they refer to as a “Cuomo Clip” along with other gun parts. It is all under an initiative they refer to as the Wiki Weapon Project.

“It’s basically to head them [legislators] off at the pass, which we have,” Wilson added, noting that “hundreds of thousands” of visitors have gone to his group's site to download the CAD file for the ammo magazine since it was first posted in mid-January.

The “Cuomo Clip,” named for New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo, who pushed the high-capacity clip ban through the Legislature, is made from a plastic filament similar to the type of material used to manufacture LEGO building blocks. It is also loaded with a large spring that helps to push rounds of ammo into the gun chamber.

The ammo magazine clip appears to be durable; Defense Distributed test-fired 86 rounds from a 30-round prototype last month, and the clip showed no signs of damage.

The cutting edge technology, in which three-dimensional objects can be manufactured from melted plastic thread, is likely to complicate efforts to control firearms. No such ability existed in 1994, when large-capacity clips were first banned in an initial federal assault weapons ban that lasted a decade.

Although the new ban proposed by Feinstein would prohibit the manufacture of magazines, it focuses on traditional arms makers and sellers. How the law might be enforced against individuals making their own magazines -- and possibly even guns in the future -- is unclear.

Rep. Steve Israel, D-N.Y., has called for amending the Undetectable Firearms Act of 1988, which initially sought to ban guns that could be sneaked through metal detectors, to include a ban on “homemade, 3-D printed, plastic high-capacity magazines."

“Congress passed a law banning plastic guns for two decades when they were just a movie fantasy," Israel told FoxNews.com . "With the advent of 3-D printers, these guns are suddenly a real possibility, and the law Congress passed is set to expire this year.
Go For It

Ankeny, IA

#2 Feb 18, 2013
“We should act now to give law enforcement authorities the power to stop the development of these weapons before terrorists and criminals can easily bring them on planes. We need to be proactive and keep ahead of the technology. When the legislation was originally passed in 1988, no one would have imagined that parts of a gun and a magazine could be made with a printer — imagine what the technology will be even five years down the road.”

Defense Distributed and the Wiki Weapons Project also has made schematics of other parts of the AR-15 and other weapons and modifications, including pistol grips, but has avoided attempting to design and distribute plans for a fully-functional gun.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2013/02/13/print-...
Go For It

Ankeny, IA

#3 Feb 18, 2013
3d printers sound great
Awful Truth

Saint Paul, MN

#4 Feb 18, 2013
You are such a clown that it is seriously not worth the effort to ridicule you. You do such a nice job of that yourself.
DSM Local

Ankeny, IA

#5 Feb 18, 2013
Awful Truth wrote:
You are such a clown that it is seriously not worth the effort to ridicule you. You do such a nice job of that yourself.
thanks for the random comment elitist

Since: Jul 10

Minneapolis, MN

#6 Feb 18, 2013
Go For It wrote:
Gun owners who can't buy high capacity ammo magazines because of new laws have another option: Print them.
Gun control measures passed or proposed in the wake of the Sandy Hook school massacre have targeted magazines that can feed 30 rounds or more into the firing chambers of AR-15s and other semi-automatic guns. New York has banned magazines holding more than seven rounds, and a federal bill proposed by Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., would ban magazines holding more than 10 rounds.
But the laws are at least one step behind technology. Using 3D printers and schematics available on the Internet, gun owners can manufacture a fully functional, plastic magazine clip. Plans are free, although getting access to a 3D printer may prove expensive, at least for now.
“If you can download it, you can have it.”
- Cody Wilson, Defense Distributed/Wiki Weapons Project
“If you can download it, you can have it,” said University of Texas law student Cody Wilson, who is part of Defense Distributed, a group that has created the design for what they refer to as a “Cuomo Clip” along with other gun parts. It is all under an initiative they refer to as the Wiki Weapon Project.
“It’s basically to head them [legislators] off at the pass, which we have,” Wilson added, noting that “hundreds of thousands” of visitors have gone to his group's site to download the CAD file for the ammo magazine since it was first posted in mid-January.
The “Cuomo Clip,” named for New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo, who pushed the high-capacity clip ban through the Legislature, is made from a plastic filament similar to the type of material used to manufacture LEGO building blocks. It is also loaded with a large spring that helps to push rounds of ammo into the gun chamber.
The ammo magazine clip appears to be durable; Defense Distributed test-fired 86 rounds from a 30-round prototype last month, and the clip showed no signs of damage.
The cutting edge technology, in which three-dimensional objects can be manufactured from melted plastic thread, is likely to complicate efforts to control firearms. No such ability existed in 1994, when large-capacity clips were first banned in an initial federal assault weapons ban that lasted a decade.
Although the new ban proposed by Feinstein would prohibit the manufacture of magazines, it focuses on traditional arms makers and sellers. How the law might be enforced against individuals making their own magazines -- and possibly even guns in the future -- is unclear.
Rep. Steve Israel, D-N.Y., has called for amending the Undetectable Firearms Act of 1988, which initially sought to ban guns that could be sneaked through metal detectors, to include a ban on “homemade, 3-D printed, plastic high-capacity magazines."
“Congress passed a law banning plastic guns for two decades when they were just a movie fantasy," Israel told FoxNews.com . "With the advent of 3-D printers, these guns are suddenly a real possibility, and the law Congress passed is set to expire this year.
I have on a different thread posted a bit of this. where 3D printing is able to make things like firearm parts
DSM Local

Ankeny, IA

#7 Feb 18, 2013
Sangelia wrote:
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I have on a different thread posted a bit of this. where 3D printing is able to make things like firearm parts
Oh, okay I wouldn't mind reading it, what's it under?
Bushwhacker

Seattle, WA

#8 Feb 18, 2013
The Undetectable Firearms Act of 1988 signed into law by Ronald Reagan makes it ILLEGAL to manufacture plastic guns. Plastic guns cannot be seen by metal detectors allowing TERRORISTS to bring guns aboard planes, hijack them and kill innocent Americans. Home manufacturing of plastic guns is a FEDERAL CRIME.
DSM Local

Ankeny, IA

#9 Feb 18, 2013
Bushwhacker wrote:
The Undetectable Firearms Act of 1988 signed into law by Ronald Reagan makes it ILLEGAL to manufacture plastic guns. Plastic guns cannot be seen by metal detectors allowing TERRORISTS to bring guns aboard planes, hijack them and kill innocent Americans. Home manufacturing of plastic guns is a FEDERAL CRIME.
Expires soon, idiot... did you even bother to read the article?
DSM Local

Ankeny, IA

#10 Feb 18, 2013
Undetectable Firearms Act of 1988

The general affect of this legislation was to ban the manufacturing or possession of a firearm that has less of an x-ray or metal detector signature than a plastic test gun containing 3.7 oz of 17-4 stainless steel.

The legislation did allow exceptions for the use of such weapons by government entities such as the military and CIA. It also allowed the manufacturing or possession of such a weapon for the intent of having the government test it to see if it meets the above criteria.

The act had a sunset clause, rendering it void ten years after inception (November 10, 1998). The law was allowed to sunset, and no action on the issue was taken for five years.

In 2003, a bill was passed to re-authorize the ban for another 10 years. This was HR3348 and was signed into law on December 9, 2003, becoming Public Law 108-174. This will sunset on DECEMBER 9, 2013 unless renewed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Undetectable_Fir...

It's in the posted article but just in case anyone needs to have it SPOT ON (looking at you slew)
Bushwhacker

Seattle, WA

#11 Feb 18, 2013
Yeah, I read about the renewal effort, too dipsh*t !

Rep. Steve Israel, D-N.Y., has called for amending the Undetectable Firearms Act of 1988, which initially sought to ban guns that could be sneaked through metal detectors, to include a ban on “homemade, 3-D printed, plastic high-capacity magazines."

Since: Jul 10

Minneapolis, MN

#12 Feb 18, 2013
DSM Local wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh, okay I wouldn't mind reading it, what's it under?
Colorado Democrats Pass Bold New Gun Control Measures thread
DSM Local

Ankeny, IA

#13 Feb 18, 2013
Bushwhacker wrote:
Yeah, I read about the renewal effort, too dipsh*t !
Rep. Steve Israel, D-N.Y., has called for amending the Undetectable Firearms Act of 1988, which initially sought to ban guns that could be sneaked through metal detectors, to include a ban on “homemade, 3-D printed, plastic high-capacity magazines."
will it pass the house?
Bushwhacker

Seattle, WA

#14 Feb 18, 2013
Why should I guess ??
DSM Local

Ankeny, IA

#15 Feb 18, 2013
Bushwhacker wrote:
Why should I guess ??
99% it won't, thanks for your oh so relative comment
DSM Local Molests Kids

Minneapolis, MN

#16 Feb 18, 2013
We all knew it, but now we know for sure - DSM Local is a child molester

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