Solar doesn't even work in Hawaii wit...

Solar doesn't even work in Hawaii with high electric SUNNY

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Beth

Minneapolis, MN

#1 May 16, 2014
Solar isn't winning users in Hawaii even thou electric rates there are very high and it's sunny all the time, well most of the time. Consumers there like Solar except on cloudy days is't useless and backup power off the grid is VERY EXPENSIVE!! There is NO WAY Solar will ever be useful in Minnesota where it's cloudy most of the time.

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Since: Jul 10

Minneapolis, MN

#2 May 16, 2014
Beth wrote:
Solar isn't winning users in Hawaii even thou electric rates there are very high and it's sunny all the time, well most of the time. Consumers there like Solar except on cloudy days is't useless and backup power off the grid is VERY EXPENSIVE!! There is NO WAY Solar will ever be useful in Minnesota where it's cloudy most of the time.
http://www.bizjournals.com/pacific/news/2014/...
Actually it has been working quite well on the small scale AKA private homes using the ones they have built near or on their homes.
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And it is not cloudy most of the time.
Beth

Minneapolis, MN

#3 May 16, 2014
Sangelia wrote:
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Actually it has been working quite well on the small scale AKA private homes using the ones they have built near or on their homes.
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And it is not cloudy most of the time.
If you count partly sunny days it's over 50% sunny but I don't think Solar electricity generation works in partly sunny conditions. Not to mention SHORT winter days and low sun angle in winter lowering solar generation of electricity. Reasonable people with cost/ROI in mind ARE NOT installing solar generation panels. Don't happen in Minnesota and isn't happening in Hawaii..

City Sunny/Partly Sunny Total Days

Duluth 179
International Falls 177
Minneapolis & St. Paul 196
Rochester 183
St. Cloud 199

Since: Jul 10

Minneapolis, MN

#4 May 16, 2014
Beth wrote:
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If you count partly sunny days it's over 50% sunny but I don't think Solar electricity generation works in partly sunny conditions. Not to mention SHORT winter days and low sun angle in winter lowering solar generation of electricity. Reasonable people with cost/ROI in mind ARE NOT installing solar generation panels. Don't happen in Minnesota and isn't happening in Hawaii..
City Sunny/Partly Sunny Total Days
Duluth 179
International Falls 177
Minneapolis & St. Paul 196
Rochester 183
St. Cloud 199
Plus they still work on cloudy days. Not as efficient. But they still work. Since there is still daylight out. As well as there is new development in even more efficient ones.
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http://www.sunfarmers.com/do-solar-panels-wor... If asked the question, Do solar panels work when it's cloudy?, the average person would no doubt guess that, well, no, how can they when there's no sunshine for them to work with?
Actually, that answer is partially true, in that solar panels aren't as efficient in cloudy conditions as during bright, sunny days. In fact, the production of solar panels is reduced by at least 50 percent on cloudy days, and may even by down to just 5 to 10 percent of what they can produce on sunny days.
But, the point is that they do still actually do their job, even if at a reduced rate. That's a great testament to the amazing technology that solar panels are, so let's look a bit deeper into this.
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http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2014/0... Solar panels have always made sense in cities that get a lot of sun, at least intuitively. But in recent years, scientists have figured out ways to make them more useful for perpetually gloomy cities like London and Seattle.
...The solution comes down to organic photovoltaics. Unlike traditional solar panels, made of silicon, OPV cells are made of organic semiconductors, which can be 3D-printed or coated over large areas
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-ne... In a departure from 'blue sky thinking' scientists in Britain have developed solar panels that work better on a cloudy day.
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I'm seriously considering solar panels for my next home. Due to the HoA rules. They are not allowed here.
Beth

Minneapolis, MN

#5 May 16, 2014
Sangelia wrote:
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Plus they still work on cloudy days. Not as efficient. But they still work. Since there is still daylight out. As well as there is new development in even more efficient ones.
.
http://www.sunfarmers.com/do-solar-panels-wor... If asked the question, Do solar panels work when it's cloudy?, the average person would no doubt guess that, well, no, how can they when there's no sunshine for them to work with?
Actually, that answer is partially true, in that solar panels aren't as efficient in cloudy conditions as during bright, sunny days. In fact, the production of solar panels is reduced by at least 50 percent on cloudy days, and may even by down to just 5 to 10 percent of what they can produce on sunny days.
But, the point is that they do still actually do their job, even if at a reduced rate. That's a great testament to the amazing technology that solar panels are, so let's look a bit deeper into this.
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http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2014/0... Solar panels have always made sense in cities that get a lot of sun, at least intuitively. But in recent years, scientists have figured out ways to make them more useful for perpetually gloomy cities like London and Seattle.
...The solution comes down to organic photovoltaics. Unlike traditional solar panels, made of silicon, OPV cells are made of organic semiconductors, which can be 3D-printed or coated over large areas
.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-ne... In a departure from 'blue sky thinking' scientists in Britain have developed solar panels that work better on a cloudy day.
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I'm seriously considering solar panels for my next home. Due to the HoA rules. They are not allowed here.
A friend in Hawaii had solar panels installed and reported they are fine UNLESS it's cloudy. When cloudy they have to use grid and the price off the grid is real high. Grid electricity is very high because the electric power needed on cloudy days is peak generation that the power company isn't normally generating because of the use of solar on sunny days. The peak generation is very expensive because the generators sit idle on sunny days not producing any profit and then called into operation on the cloudy days. Very expensive.
Wade Gustafson

Saint Paul, MN

#7 May 18, 2014
Beth wrote:
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A friend in Hawaii had solar panels installed and reported they are fine UNLESS it's cloudy. When cloudy they have to use grid and the price off the grid is real high. Grid electricity is very high because the electric power needed on cloudy days is peak generation that the power company isn't normally generating because of the use of solar on sunny days. The peak generation is very expensive because the generators sit idle on sunny days not producing any profit and then called into operation on the cloudy days. Very expensive.
Most Hawaiian islands have azdry side and a wet side. On which side does your friend live?
Beth

Minneapolis, MN

#8 May 18, 2014
Wade Gustafson wrote:
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Most Hawaiian islands have azdry side and a wet side. On which side does your friend live?
Mililani, where a lot of working stiffs live on Oahu. Seems to me it's not real wet along with Waikiki/Honolulu. Hilo is considered on the wet side of the big island of Hawaii which is the east side of the island. The big island has much more elevation that Oahu. Mililani is near the middle of Oahu between mountian ranges and might be a bit wet but it's where my friend lives. It's funny how taxes differ there, they live in a $300K house and pay $1,500 in property taxes or way less than 1/2 of Minnesota taxes.
Beth

Minneapolis, MN

#9 May 18, 2014
Wade Gustafson wrote:
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Most Hawaiian islands have azdry side and a wet side. On which side does your friend live?
Interesting, Schofield Barraks housing has solar panels on every roof even thou non-military housing in Mililani has very few. This is a very good indication that solar does not have a ROI warranting investment unless you are burning tax dollars. To bad they don't burn them on the VA Hospitals.

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