Global warming 'undeniable,' scientis...

Global warming 'undeniable,' scientists say

There are 35519 comments on the TwinCities.com story from Jul 29, 2010, titled Global warming 'undeniable,' scientists say. In it, TwinCities.com reports that:

Scientists from around the world are providing even more evidence of global warming, one day after President Barack Obama renewed his call for climate legislation.

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Seattle Slew

Kent, WA

#20431 Aug 5, 2012
It would seem you use varying standards of proof...In this case you're wrong, as usual... Not surprisingly, little minds find little amusements. Do better, you cannot do worse.
Just Me

Minneapolis, MN

#20432 Aug 5, 2012
No more daily temperature updates from your back yard???

You only do that on the specifically cooler days which have been few and far between.....posting 70-80 degree temps.

What's the temp now?

What the high expected to be?

Mothra wrote:
<quoted text>
A Global Temperature History of the Past Two Millennia Reference
Loehle, C. 2007. A 2000-year global temperature reconstruction based on non-treering proxies. Energy and Environment 18: 1049-1058.
What was done
Using data from eighteen 2000-year-long proxy temperature series from all around the world that were not developed from tree-ring data (which provide significant interpretive challenges), the author (1) smoothed the data in each series with a 30-year running mean,(2) converted the results thereby obtained to anomalies by subtracting the mean of each series from each member of that series, and then (3) derived the final mean temperature anomaly history defined by the eighteen data sets by a simple averaging of the individual anomaly series, a procedure that he rightfully emphasizes is "transparent and simple."
What was learned
The results obtained by this procedure are depicted in the figure below, where it can be seen, in the words of its creator, that "the mean series shows the Medieval Warm Period (MWP) and Little Ice Age (LIA) quite clearly, with the MWP being approximately 0.3C warmer than 20th century values."
What it means
Loehle notes that "the 1995-year reconstruction shown here does not match the famous hockey stick shape," which clearly suggests that one of them is a poorer, and the other a better, representation of the truth. Because of its simplicity and transparency, as well as a host of other reasons described in detail by Loehle -- plus what we have learned since initiating our Medieval Warm Period Record-of-the Week feature -- it is our belief that Loehle's curve is by far the superior of the two in terms of the degree to which it likely approximates the truth.
http://www.co2science.org/articles/V11/N5/C1....
SpaceBlues

Melmore, OH

#20433 Aug 5, 2012
Seattle Slew wrote:
It would seem you use varying standards of proof...In this case you're wrong, as usual... Not surprisingly, little minds find little amusements. Do better, you cannot do worse.
Hello.

Are you talking to me? I think NOT.
Seattle Slew

Kent, WA

#20434 Aug 5, 2012
It was to Mothra
Seattle Slew

Minneapolis, MN

#20435 Aug 5, 2012
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>Hello.
Are you talking to me? I think NOT.
schmall minds like you probably wear magic underwear just like mitt. i canj talk to anyone one i want. but i wouldnt stoop so low as to talk to you.
Seattle Slew

Kent, WA

#20436 Aug 5, 2012
Fake Mn slew is a child troll, almost...
Seattle Slew

Minneapolis, MN

#20437 Aug 5, 2012
Seattle Slew wrote:
Fake Mn slew is a child troll, almost...
talk to me. i choose to talk to you. i am not fake. why do you lie to everyone? lets tell magic underwear stories about mitt. you know...mitt happens.
Just Me

Minneapolis, MN

#20438 Aug 5, 2012
chazmo wrote:
<quoted text>
Perhaps...
Yet $6 Trillion in deficit later and not ONE THING has been done to reduce our dependence on fossil fuels...
14% of that could have reduced it (Dependence) by some 50%...
Surely that tells you SOMETHING about the truth of what we are being told...
Maybe if all the oil and all the natural gas drilled and all the coal dug in the USA were restricted from being sold to the highest bidder on the global market we might not have a energy problem, BUT THEY'RE ARE NOT NOW AND NEVER WILL BE UNDER ANYONE'S PROPOSED PLAN.

Even if it were, that still doesn't mean we won't have a air and water pollution problem as a result. Fuel sources and supplies grow with a population, shortsightedness always leads to problems.

Think again, and again. Keep thinking, you haven't came up with any solutions.

BTW- I believe there with be a global reset of the world financial market at some point in the future which would destroy most of the deficit reduction argument anyway. People cannot pay what they do not have, and now it's govts that cannot pay what they do not have. To hell with the banking and lending industry....they have been the facilitators,promoters, and enablers of our past and current situation and beneficiary of present circumstances. They created wealth out of thin air.....and that wealth disapeared right back into thin air when the smoke cleared. Get a clue.

Right now, lenders are promoting short term loans(payday loans) left and right at 600+% to the cash strapped public who are just trying to get by and stay above water. And here is the latest the financial industry brings us....another financial scheme

JUL 19, 2012 MARKETS
Plotting a Securitization Sequel

Banks and real-estate investors want to create securities out of the rental payments on previously-foreclosed homes. They think it could boost the housing market. Four years after mortgage-linked deals played a starring role in the worst financial crisis in decades, banks and real-estate investors are at work on a new type of security tied to the housing market. This time, financial firms are seeking to engineer deals backed by the rental payments of residents living in previously foreclosed homes.http://stream.wsj.com/st ory/markets/SS-2-5/SS-2-34620/
Mothra

Peoria, AZ

#20439 Aug 5, 2012
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>WOW year 2007?
Did you just wake up on Aug 5, 2012?
Here, learn a little new in science:
http://summitcountyvoice.com/2012/08/05/globa...
Bozo said, "Scientists have long understood that the so called Medieval Warm Period was not considered a world wide phenomenon.... "

I posted evidence otherwise.

Where is the MWP in your post?

Oh... it's not there.

Do TRY to keep up with the discussion at hand.
Mothra

Peoria, AZ

#20440 Aug 5, 2012
Just Me wrote:
No more daily temperature updates from your back yard???
You only do that on the specifically cooler days which have been few and far between.....posting 70-80 degree temps.
What's the temp now?
What the high expected to be?
<quoted text>
<sigh>

Another warmist troll.
Seattle Slew

Minneapolis, MN

#20441 Aug 5, 2012
Just Me wrote:
<quoted text>
Maybe if all the oil and all the natural gas drilled and all the coal dug in the USA were restricted from being sold to the highest bidder on the global market we might not have a energy problem, BUT THEY'RE ARE NOT NOW AND NEVER WILL BE UNDER ANYONE'S PROPOSED PLAN.
Even if it were, that still doesn't mean we won't have a air and water pollution problem as a result. Fuel sources and supplies grow with a population, shortsightedness always leads to problems.
Think again, and again. Keep thinking, you haven't came up with any solutions.
BTW- I believe there with be a global reset of the world financial market at some point in the future which would destroy most of the deficit reduction argument anyway. People cannot pay what they do not have, and now it's govts that cannot pay what they do not have. To hell with the banking and lending industry....they have been the facilitators,promoters, and enablers of our past and current situation and beneficiary of present circumstances. They created wealth out of thin air.....and that wealth disapeared right back into thin air when the smoke cleared. Get a clue.
Right now, lenders are promoting short term loans(payday loans) left and right at 600+% to the cash strapped public who are just trying to get by and stay above water. And here is the latest the financial industry brings us....another financial scheme
JUL 19, 2012 MARKETS
Plotting a Securitization Sequel
Banks and real-estate investors want to create securities out of the rental payments on previously-foreclosed homes. They think it could boost the housing market. Four years after mortgage-linked deals played a starring role in the worst financial crisis in decades, banks and real-estate investors are at work on a new type of security tied to the housing market. This time, financial firms are seeking to engineer deals backed by the rental payments of residents living in previously foreclosed homes.http://stream.wsj.com/st ory/markets/SS-2-5/SS-2-34620/
we need al gore and the government to control all energy usage by rethuglicants. we cant trust rich peeple. we can only trust the government to make the right decisions for us.
Seattle Slew

Kent, WA

#20442 Aug 5, 2012
Mothra wrote:
<quoted text>
<sigh>
Another warmist troll.
So, you deny posting backyard temps, like they proved something, right ??? Poor trolls, you and the moniker thief are a pair off boobs, Jenna Jameson would be proud to "support", like Mitt head,,,
Seattle Slew

Minneapolis, MN

#20443 Aug 5, 2012
Seattle Slew wrote:
<quoted text>So, you deny posting backyard temps, like they proved something, right ??? Poor trolls, you and the moniker thief are a pair off boobs, Jenna Jameson would be proud to "support", like Mitt head,,,
you tell them fake slew. we cant afford rethuglicants like the magic underwear guy to be president. we need benovelent rulers like barry sorento who knows a good investment in green energy when he sees is and is willing to put truckloads of tax dollars into the pockets of his campaign fund raisers to prove it is a good deal.
Just Me

Minneapolis, MN

#20444 Aug 5, 2012
Mothra wrote:
<quoted text>
<sigh>
A reply indicative of your position and argument.
Just Me

Minneapolis, MN

#20445 Aug 5, 2012
Seattle Slew wrote:
<quoted text>
we need al gore and the government to control all energy usage by rethuglicants. we cant trust rich peeple. we can only trust the government to make the right decisions for us.
HAHAHAHAAAAA

Those are your words, not mine.

Please continue, I'm amused by your stupidity.
Just Me

Minneapolis, MN

#20446 Aug 5, 2012
Mothra wrote:
<quoted text>
Bozo said, "Scientists have long understood that the so called Medieval Warm Period was not considered a world wide phenomenon.... "
I posted evidence otherwise.
Where is the MWP in your post?
Oh... it's not there.
Do TRY to keep up with the discussion at hand.
Chew on this for a while.

For many years, humans forgot their glorious past and huddled in a state of ignorance and fear. Scientists have uncovered evidence from around the world that the early Dark Ages may have been triggered by an actual event that occurred around 535 A.D. Science writer David Keys believes that the cause was a natural phenomenon of cataclysmic proportions. Determined to discover the exact nature of this natural catastrophe, and to understand its political, economic and social repercussions, he embarks on a scientific odyssey that ranges from Greenland to the Antarctica; from the Americas to the Far East. At the center of a stunningly complex chain of events seems to be "a loud bang" according to Keys a volcanic explosion equal to "two thousand million Hiroshima size bombs { 2 Billion - 2,000,000,000 }." The subsequent environmental calamity, he believes, affected human civilization from Mongolia to Constantinople, precipitating plague, famine, death, great migration, the fall of the great Mexican city of Teotihuacan, the Anglo-Saxon victory over the Celts, and may even have played a role in the rise of Islam.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#20447 Aug 5, 2012
Mothra wrote:
<quoted text>
Bozo said, "Scientists have long understood that the so called Medieval Warm Period was not considered a world wide phenomenon.... "
I posted evidence otherwise.
Where is the MWP in your post?
Oh... it's not there.
Do TRY to keep up with the discussion at hand.
First, evidence suggests that the Medieval Warm Period was in fact warmer than today in many parts of the globe such as in the North Atlantic. However, there were parts of the earth that were much cooler than today.
Secondly, there were known causes of the MWP. There was higher than average solar radiation and lower than average volcanic activity. Since these factors are not present in the current warming, even if it were warmer during the MWP throughout the entire world,(which has not been proved)it not a proof that man is not a factor in the current warming.

Since: Nov 08

Location hidden

#20448 Aug 5, 2012
Carbon taxes will cripple America Permanently. That's what this is all about.

“Happy, warm and comfortable”

Since: Oct 10

Mountain retreat, SE Spain

#20449 Aug 5, 2012
Mothra wrote:
A Global Temperature History of the Past Two Millennia Reference
Loehle, C. 2007. A 2000-year global temperature reconstruction based on non-treering proxies. Energy and Environment 18: 1049-1058.
What was done
Using data from eighteen 2000-year-long proxy temperature series from all around the world that were not developed from tree-ring data (which provide significant interpretive challenges), the author (1) smoothed the data in each series with a 30-year running mean,(2) converted the results thereby obtained to anomalies by subtracting the mean of each series from each member of that series, and then (3) derived the final mean temperature anomaly history defined by the eighteen data sets by a simple averaging of the individual anomaly series, a procedure that he rightfully emphasizes is "transparent and simple."
What was learned
The results obtained by this procedure are depicted in the figure below, where it can be seen, in the words of its creator, that "the mean series shows the Medieval Warm Period (MWP) and Little Ice Age (LIA) quite clearly, with the MWP being approximately 0.3C warmer than 20th century values."
What it means
Loehle notes that "the 1995-year reconstruction shown here does not match the famous hockey stick shape," which clearly suggests that one of them is a poorer, and the other a better, representation of the truth. Because of its simplicity and transparency, as well as a host of other reasons described in detail by Loehle -- plus what we have learned since initiating our Medieval Warm Period Record-of-the Week feature -- it is our belief that Loehle's curve is by far the superior of the two in terms of the degree to which it likely approximates the truth.
http://www.co2science.org/articles/V11/N5/C1....
It's sad, but Bozo refers to the MWP as the "so called Medieval Warm Period," ignoring all scientific evidence of it.

“Happy, warm and comfortable”

Since: Oct 10

Mountain retreat, SE Spain

#20450 Aug 5, 2012
DumBozo wrote:
First, evidence suggests that the Medieval Warm Period was in fact warmer than today in many parts of the globe such as in the North Atlantic. However, there were parts of the earth that were much cooler than today.
Where?
DumBozo wrote:
Secondly, there were known causes of the MWP. There was higher than average solar radiation and lower than average volcanic activity.
Can you cite that?
DumBozo wrote:
Since these factors are not present in the current warming, even if it were warmer during the MWP throughout the entire world,(which has not been proved)it not a proof that man is not a factor in the current warming.
Proof?

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