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Global warming 'undeniable,' scientists say

There are 35564 comments on the TwinCities.com story from Jul 29, 2010, titled Global warming 'undeniable,' scientists say. In it, TwinCities.com reports that:

Scientists from around the world are providing even more evidence of global warming, one day after President Barack Obama renewed his call for climate legislation.

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“Come Home America!”

Since: Nov 11

Claymont, Delaware 19809

#32966 Apr 20, 2014
Brian_G wrote:
The sun's energy is limited to daylight; you can't run an industrial economy on energy that needs no clouds and daytime. We have plenty of fossil fuel; we don't have sound energy policy to encourage the production and use of energy and fuel. Humanity has never used up ANY mineral resource.
Don't panic, elect Conservatives who want an energy policy that helps everyone, not just crony corporations like GE and power hungry environmentalists like Tom Steyer.
Yeah, right , you're talking about the same Conservatives in the deep pockets of Big Oil, Big Ag, and Wall Street Banks too big to fail who want to deny millions of uninsured people the choice to buy affordable health insurance, eliminate Social Security , Medicaid, and Medicare, prevent us from knowing what goes in to making our food, give big corporate polluters a free ride on paying for their waste and pollutants dumped into the Natural Commons for the rest of us to clean up.

“I Luv Carbon Dioxide”

Since: Dec 08

Home, sweet home.

#32967 Apr 20, 2014
frontporchreactionary wrote:
Yeah, right , you're talking about the same Conservatives in the deep pockets of Big Oil, Big Ag, and Wall Street Banks too big to fail who want to deny millions of uninsured people the choice to buy affordable health insurance, eliminate Social Security , Medicaid, and Medicare, prevent us from knowing what goes in to making our food, give big corporate polluters a free ride on paying for their waste and pollutants dumped into the Natural Commons for the rest of us to clean up.
CO2 isn't a pollutant and it does good in the atmosphere, helping keep Earth habitable. Those are different from Democrats in the deep pockets of Tom Steyer, Al Gore and GE, they want government out of the markets, not cancelling your insurance.

Remember when Obama promised, if you like your healthcare plan you can keep it?
Trigger

Minneapolis, MN

#32968 Apr 20, 2014
I award US President Richard Milhouse Nixon the:

"NOBEL PEACE PRIZE".

For ending the US involvement in the Vietnam War.
litesong

Everett, WA

#32969 Apr 20, 2014
[QUOTE who="lyin' brian"]CO2 isn't a pollutant?[/QUOTE]

"lyin' brian" also thought science, chemistry, astronomy, physics, algebra or pre-calc wasn't important to have in its poorly earned, but proudly held hi skule DEE-plooomaa. "lyin' brian" also made errors of 1 million TIMES, 1000 TIMES, 3000 TIMES, 73 million TIMES, & 2.5+ million TIMES.

“Come Home America!”

Since: Nov 11

Claymont, Delaware 19809

#32970 Apr 20, 2014
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>CO2 isn't a pollutant and it does good in the atmosphere, helping keep Earth habitable. Those are different from Democrats in the deep pockets of Tom Steyer, Al Gore and GE, they want government out of the markets, not cancelling your insurance.
Remember when Obama promised, if you like your healthcare plan you can keep it?
Only a very small percentage of insured couldn't keep their insurance , but they could purchase an upgraded , better quality healthcare plan for pennies on the dollar . CO2 is a poisonous gas to humans . Trees and arable soils have amazing ecological systems to absorb harmful CO2 gasses ,but human over-production of pollutant greenhouse gasses from burning fossil fuels is degrading the ecological capacity and integrity of trees , grasslands,(increasing destruction of arable land worldwide).

What is really wrong with our economy and how we determine our progress on social welfare and happiness? I'd like to engage in a lively discussion on what would be needed to establish a national gauge on determining the 'ecological loss ratio' for the 45 most seriously polluting American Companies just for a start. I expect that there are many variables that need to be defined like measurements of energy efficiency, flow of resource throughput, loss of ecological systems integrity (degrading quality), GPI economic indicators, etc.?
"The issue, therefore, is not so much a commitment to environmental restoration, but instead to help consumer-voters appreciate the current damaging aspects of our activities and shift our actions toward a systemically restorative economy. The first step is to examine the root of the problem. Economic measures, like Gross Domestic Product, are clear and compelling numbers to the electorate. In contrast, there are no comparable monetary values for the costs of environmental degradation or human health impacts that result from economic growth. The lack of a true accounting ledger leads consumer-voters to associate economic activity with social well-being, and subsequently demand that elected officials and policymakers make imprudent choices predicated largely on economic gauges.

To make the shift to a restorative economy a reality, major hurdles must be overcome. For one, invisible or disregarded economic impacts must be brought to light, since the market and electorate only act on what can be “seen.” The economy accounts for costs that are quantifiable but ignores the value of the priceless: wetlands, childhood asthma, clean water, and so on. For true transformation to occur, and for policymakers to act, the priceless needs to be valued and that value must be clearly conveyed to the public and incorporated into the market. " http://www.thesolutionsjournal.com/node/1070

“Come Home America!”

Since: Nov 11

Claymont, Delaware 19809

#32971 Apr 20, 2014
Trigger wrote:
I award US President Richard Milhouse Nixon the:
"NOBEL PEACE PRIZE".
For ending the US involvement in the Vietnam War.
You're praising a crook, liar, and mass murderer . Are you also member of Charlie Manson's cult? That's a lot to pay for a chance to pick up chicks.
Mothra

Tempe, AZ

#32972 Apr 20, 2014
frontporchreactionary wrote:
<quoted text> Yeah, right , you're talking about the same Conservatives in the deep pockets of Big Oil, Big Ag, and Wall Street Banks too big to fail who want to deny millions of uninsured people the choice to buy affordable health insurance, eliminate Social Security , Medicaid, and Medicare, prevent us from knowing what goes in to making our food, give big corporate polluters a free ride on paying for their waste and pollutants dumped into the Natural Commons for the rest of us to clean up.
As if liberals aren't in the same deep pockets...

btw, wth does "affordable" healthcare mean? During it's promotion period it was advertised as reducing rates by $2500 a year. Seen that happen?

“Come Home America!”

Since: Nov 11

Claymont, Delaware 19809

#32973 Apr 20, 2014
Mothra wrote:
<quoted text>
As if liberals aren't in the same deep pockets...
btw, wth does "affordable" healthcare mean? During it's promotion period it was advertised as reducing rates by $2500 a year. Seen that happen?
Yes, Obamacare has reduced rates. And they are finding ways to offer lower deductible insurance options in the exchanges by the next sign-up period. "CBO and the staff of the Joint Committee on Taxation (JCT) have updated their estimates of the budgetary effects of the provisions of the Affordable Care Act (ACA) that relate to health insurance coverage. The new estimates, which are included in CBO’s latest baseline projections, reflect CBO’s most recent economic forecast, account for administrative actions taken and regulations issued through March 2014, and incorporate new data and various modeling updates.

Relative to their previous projections made in February 2014, CBO and JCT now estimate that the ACA’s coverage provisions will result in lower net costs to the federal government: The agencies currently project a net cost of $36 billion for 2014,$5 billion less than the previous projection for the year; and $1,383 billion for the 2015–2024 period,$104 billion less than the previous projections"... "Those estimates address only the insurance coverage provisions of the ACA; they do not constitute all of the act’s budgetary effects. Many other provisions, on net, are projected to reduce budget deficits. Considering all of the provisions—including the coverage provisions—CBO and JCT estimated in July 2012 (their most recent comprehensive estimates) that the ACA’s overall effect would be to reduce federal deficits. " http://www.cbo.gov/publication/45231#.U1QQmTS...
Mothra

Tempe, AZ

#32974 Apr 20, 2014
frontporchreactionary wrote:
<quoted text> Yes, Obamacare has reduced rates. And they are finding ways to offer lower deductible insurance options in the exchanges by the next sign-up period. "CBO and the staff of the Joint Committee on Taxation (JCT) have updated their estimates of the budgetary effects of the provisions of the Affordable Care Act (ACA) that relate to health insurance coverage. The new estimates, which are included in CBO’s latest baseline projections, reflect CBO’s most recent economic forecast, account for administrative actions taken and regulations issued through March 2014, and incorporate new data and various modeling updates.
Relative to their previous projections made in February 2014, CBO and JCT now estimate that the ACA’s coverage provisions will result in lower net costs to the federal government: The agencies currently project a net cost of $36 billion for 2014,$5 billion less than the previous projection for the year; and $1,383 billion for the 2015–2024 period,$104 billion less than the previous projections"... "Those estimates address only the insurance coverage provisions of the ACA; they do not constitute all of the act’s budgetary effects. Many other provisions, on net, are projected to reduce budget deficits. Considering all of the provisions—including the coverage provisions—CBO and JCT estimated in July 2012 (their most recent comprehensive estimates) that the ACA’s overall effect would be to reduce federal deficits. " http://www.cbo.gov/publication/45231#.U1QQmTS...
First, that CBO forecast is for government spending "budgetary effects", not "rates".

"Relative to their previous projections made in February 2014..."

This report compares itself to a previous CBO estimate for "budgetary effects". The first CBO estimate from 2010 pegged the 10 year spending amount of $898 billion. Now they say it's $1.383 trillion.

A trillions is more than hundreds of billions.

But please do read on in that CBO report, you'll find why their forecast is less: narrower networks and reduced reimbursement rates for doctors and hospitals.

Was Obamacare sold on fewer services?

“BET DAP”

Since: Feb 09

GOOM BOWN

#32976 Apr 20, 2014
Happy Easter!!!

Those of you who believe man can causes/alters climate....I applaud your beliefs!!!! I,however, happen to believe differently.

I'm not a flat earther....I'm not a registered republican....I'm not a denier of real science.

I know, though, that many here think the science is settled! I ask how?? I get scorned...ridiculed...AND I LAUGH!!

Science is never settled......especially if a minor trace gas in the atmosphere has never been experimentally tested to cause all the things some people say it does.

Bless you believers!!!

And......one more time.....Happy Easter!!

Humanity and mankind has done and accomplished so much. Keep the human spirit alive!! Government will only bring you down!!! That is the one thing humanity has proven without question time and again!

Adam 36

Since: Aug 13

Location hidden

#32978 Apr 21, 2014
frontporchreactionary wrote:
<quoted text> Yes, Obamacare has reduced rates. And they are finding ways to offer lower deductible insurance options in the exchanges by the next sign-up period. "CBO and the staff of the Joint Committee on Taxation (JCT) have updated their estimates of the budgetary effects of the provisions of the Affordable Care Act (ACA) that relate to health insurance coverage. The new estimates, which are included in CBO’s latest baseline projections, reflect CBO’s most recent economic forecast, account for administrative actions taken and regulations issued through March 2014, and incorporate new data and various modeling updates.
Relative to their previous projections made in February 2014, CBO and JCT now estimate that the ACA’s coverage provisions will result in lower net costs to the federal government: The agencies currently project a net cost of $36 billion for 2014,$5 billion less than the previous projection for the year; and $1,383 billion for the 2015–2024 period,$104 billion less than the previous projections"... "Those estimates address only the insurance coverage provisions of the ACA; they do not constitute all of the act’s budgetary effects. Many other provisions, on net, are projected to reduce budget deficits. Considering all of the provisions—including the coverage provisions—CBO and JCT estimated in July 2012 (their most recent comprehensive estimates) that the ACA’s overall effect would be to reduce federal deficits. " http://www.cbo.gov/publication/45231#.U1QQmTS...
Here's the real truth...

Premiums rising faster than eight years before Obamacare COMBINED

http://dailycaller.com/2014/03/18/report-prem...

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#32979 Apr 21, 2014
ritedownthemiddle wrote:
Happy Easter!!!
Those of you who believe man can causes/alters climate....I applaud your beliefs!!!! I,however, happen to believe differently.
I'm not a flat earther....I'm not a registered republican....I'm not a denier of real science.
I know, though, that many here think the science is settled! I ask how?? I get scorned...ridiculed...AND I LAUGH!!
Science is never settled......especially if a minor trace gas in the atmosphere has never been experimentally tested to cause all the things some people say it does.
Bless you believers!!!
And......one more time.....Happy Easter!!
Humanity and mankind has done and accomplished so much. Keep the human spirit alive!! Government will only bring you down!!! That is the one thing humanity has proven without question time and again!
Without a viable government, mankind would annihilate the weak and form their own rules (government). You anti-government nuts are pathetic. Where would you be today if you did not reap the benefits of the protections provided by government? You are not a self-made success, you perch on the shoulders of a social order that allow you to succeed. Many condemn those who are not white, non male, non English speaking, born in a impoverished class. Condemn those who through medical or accident are disabled, those who have not been presented with opportunity or have not the skills to compete in an aggressive marketplace because of socialist actions such as being placed on a reservation because they were different and folks didn't want to deal with them. For example, I do volunteer work for the indigenous Spanish speaking in the Southwest. They were settled long before the English speaking moved into the area. Yet many try to tell us that all those indigenous folks are "wetbacks". Get over it. We are all of one race. It is Homo sapiens. If we cannot subscribe to a higher order, we are no better than lower animals.

“BET DAP”

Since: Feb 09

GOOM BOWN

#32980 Apr 21, 2014
Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:
<quoted text>
Without a viable government, mankind would annihilate the weak and form their own rules (government). You anti-government nuts are pathetic. Where would you be today if you did not reap the benefits of the protections provided by government? You are not a self-made success, you perch on the shoulders of a social order that allow you to succeed. Many condemn those who are not white, non male, non English speaking, born in a impoverished class. Condemn those who through medical or accident are disabled, those who have not been presented with opportunity or have not the skills to compete in an aggressive marketplace because of socialist actions such as being placed on a reservation because they were different and folks didn't want to deal with them. For example, I do volunteer work for the indigenous Spanish speaking in the Southwest. They were settled long before the English speaking moved into the area. Yet many try to tell us that all those indigenous folks are "wetbacks". Get over it. We are all of one race. It is Homo sapiens. If we cannot subscribe to a higher order, we are no better than lower animals.
anti government nut?!?! Is that what you were called when you oppose government policies, son?
If I need a sermon....I'll listen to a non-hypocritical preacher .
Lol

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#32981 Apr 21, 2014
ritedownthemiddle wrote:
<quoted text>anti government nut?!?! Is that what you were called when you oppose government policies, son?
If I need a sermon....I'll listen to a non-hypocritical preacher .
Lol
Weak minded, there is a difference between opposing some government policies and opposing all government. Government is not our enemy! Science is not our enemy! Ignorance is. Try to educate yourself.

“Come Home America!”

Since: Nov 11

Claymont, Delaware 19809

#32982 Apr 21, 2014
Adam 36 wrote:
<quoted text>
Here's the real truth...
Premiums rising faster than eight years before Obamacare COMBINED
http://dailycaller.com/2014/03/18/report-prem...
the daily caller is a Rupert Murdoch-controlled media propaganda machine. Try using reputable , reliable news sources next time.

Adam 36

Since: Aug 13

Location hidden

#32983 Apr 21, 2014
I guess we can blame this on global warming...

Meteorologist Brad Panovich:‘Slowest start to U. S. tornado season on record

http://www.climatedepot.com/2014/04/19/slowes...
Mothra

Tempe, AZ

#32984 Apr 21, 2014
ritedownthemiddle wrote:
<quoted text>anti government nut?!?! Is that what you were called when you oppose government policies, son?
If I need a sermon....I'll listen to a non-hypocritical preacher .
Lol
Bozo is an extremists.

Merely questioning any government policy at any level is the equivalent to wanting to dismantle ALL government at ALL levels.

He's been ranting like this for ages. Not worth the time spent reasoning when this jackass goes off on his rants, but mockery is certainly due.

Since: Dec 06

Charlie's

#32986 Apr 21, 2014
Brian_G wrote:
The Greens and Democrats push government controls and taxes to make fossil fuels more expensive, precious and rare. They back energy policies based on conservation instead of expanding our economy encouraging the production and use of energy and fuel. Green fossil fuel pricing policy is the same as OPEC's and other fossil fuel providers.
What percent of the gaz supply does Russia provide Eastern Europe? Russia likes high fossil fuel prices too, just like the Greens.
All those who detain fossil fuel want it as expensive as possible. They are not philanthropic societies.
The greens want wind farms, solar energy, biogaz, and CO2 lower GHG emission
and unlike the Greens, I want more nuke electricity.

“BET DAP”

Since: Feb 09

GOOM BOWN

#32987 Apr 21, 2014
Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:
<quoted text>
Weak minded, there is a difference between opposing some government policies and opposing all government. Government is not our enemy! Science is not our enemy! Ignorance is. Try to educate yourself.
where have i opposed all government? point out that, or just admit you're making shyt up again. which is the same as lying.
LIbEralS

Minneapolis, MN

#32988 Apr 21, 2014
frontporchreactionary wrote:
<quoted text> Yes, Obamacare has reduced rates. And they are finding ways to offer lower deductible insurance options in the exchanges by the next sign-up period. "CBO and the staff of the Joint Committee on Taxation (JCT) have updated their estimates of the budgetary effects of the provisions of the Affordable Care Act (ACA) that relate to health insurance coverage...
You are getting a little sidetracked with all of this ACA stuff. There are plenty of threads out there is you want to continue it there:

Want Affordable Care act to work
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/minneapolis-m...

Affordable Care Act
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/minneapolis-m...

the NON affordable care act
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/minneapolis-m...

The train wreck called ObamaCare
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/minneapolis-m...

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