Global warming 'undeniable,' scientists say

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Scientists from around the world are providing even more evidence of global warming, one day after President Barack Obama renewed his call for climate legislation.
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China is being plagued with choking pollution on an unprecedented scale. The smog over many cities reached new levels in the run-up to Chinese New Year on 31 January, creating havoc for holiday travellers. The government advised citizens to refrain from using fireworks and to stay indoors.

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as stupid as you are dumb as you are hysterical
Climate Change Myths Debunked - Greenhouse Gases
www.plantsneedco2.org/default.aspx... ;
Many myths are quoted as facts by the media, politicians and the administration. We provide information below to debunk many of the myths. Pollutions Myths
New Study Thoroughly Debunks Global Warming, Will Media Notice ...
newsbusters.org › Blogs › Noel Sheppard's blog&#8206;
Jul 11, 2012 - New Study Thoroughly Debunks Global Warming, Will Media Notice?.... My mind is made up, don't confuse me with the facts. Ignore that man ...
In Their Own Words: Climate Alarmists Debunk Their 'Science ...
www.forbes.com/.../in-their-own-words-climate... ;
Forbes
Feb 5, 2013 - It is way past time to realize that none of this is really about protecting the planet from man-made climate change. It never was.
Liberals Still on Fire Over Our 13-Year-Old Caller Who Debunked ...
So who's behind "CO2 is green" and this advert? One of its founders is H Leighton Steward who, until his retirement in 2000, was the vice chairman of Burlington Resources, a Houston-based oil and gas company bought by ConocoPhillips in 2006. Steward received the American Petroleum Institute's Gold Medal for Distinguished Achievement in 2001 and remains an honorary director of the oil industry lobby group. In other words, we can conclude that this man boasts a particular pedigree within the oil industry.

The Washington Post (which admits it has taken a half-page advert from the "CO2 is green" group) is reporting that Steward, along with some associates, is now trying to establish the group as a charity:

Steward has joined forces with Corbin J Robertson Jr, chief executive of and leading shareholder in Natural Resource Partners, a Houston-based owner of coal resources that lets other companies mine in return for royalties. Its revenues were $291m [£184m] in 2008. They have formed two groups – CO2 Is Green designated for advocacy and Plants Need CO2 for education – with about $1m. Plants Need CO2 has applied for 501(c)(3) tax status, so that contributions would qualify as charitable donations, said Natural Resource Partners general counsel Wyatt L Hogan, who also serves on the group's board.

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/blog/2...

H. Leighton Steward is the spokesman for front group Plants Need CO2 (the 501(c)(3) backed by coal baron Corbin Robertson) and the registrant of its PlantsNeedCO2.org website. According to its corporate Certificate of Formation[1], Steward is also a director at oil and gas company EOG Resources, formerly known as Enron Oil and Gas Company, where he earned $617,151 in 2008. Steward also serves as an honorary director of the American Petroleum Institute.[2]

http://sourcewatch.org/index.php/H._Leighton_...

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harmonious wrote:
In Their Own Words: Climate Alarmists Debunk Their 'Science ...
www.forbes.com/.../in-their-own-words-climate... ;
Forbes
Feb 5, 2013 - It is way past time to realize that none of this is really about protecting the planet from man-made climate change. It never was.
Liberals Still on Fire Over Our 13-Year-Old Caller Who Debunked ...
Forbes isn't known as a science magazine and is known as a very bad toilet paper
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These scientists are heros of person kind. They care about our planet and have no ulterior motive. We need to pass the Fairness Doctrine so Fox News and others bought by Big Oil will no longer brainwash the sheep.
Hold On A Minute....those bastards believe the earth is more than 6000 years old and that dinosaurs existed 65 million years ago.

Realistically it's only 95% of scientists who believe climate change is real and that man is causing it....the others are bible thumpers.
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Hold On A Minute....those bastards believe the earth is more than 6000 years old and that dinosaurs existed 65 million years ago.
Realistically it's only 95% of scientists who believe climate change is real and that man is causing it....the others are bible thumpers.
Actually it isn't "climate change" people have a problem with. Of course the climate is changing....it does that sometimes. Done it in the past, will do it again in the future! What the argument is about is if it is all man made changes or if we live on a planet in a great big solar system and that history tells us goes through climate changes as it always has and that like most of the occurrences we experience from natural changes to our planet or as a result of changes in the environment of our planet that we can't control or if everything is just centered around we people living on the planet living on the least amount of what our planet is even made up of (that would land, I thought for you I might need to explain), and what we do actually causes changes to the atmosphere that apparently some people think is even worse for our planet than NASA blowing through it, big companies sending up satellites through it, military and even weather stations sending up satellites, earthquakes and volcanic eruptions that we can't control but do make either changes to the atmosphere or to the very location of the land itself, or Al Gore's private jet that is spewing out crap all over the country so he can go all over the country and spew out his crap. Catch up jr. we and the conversation or argument like our planet are evolving!
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Actually it isn't "climate change" people have a problem with. Of course the climate is changing....it does that sometimes. Done it in the past, will do it again in the future!
The climate changes within a range, naturally as cyclical processes shift heat and energy around in dynamic patterns.

BUT no. The issue is that AGW is shifting the climate BEYOND what is 'normal' into areas that will cost money to adapt to, or cost lives.

P.S. You do raise the one question. Why is it that denialist posters seem mostly to choose handles that are the OPPOSITE of their actual logic?

i.e you post the OPPOSITE of common sense, mostly ignorance and bad logic. Do you REALLY think your handle will give such crap some credibility? Or that the readers will be fooled?
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Just that deniers love hypocrisy.
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<quoted text>coming from someone who claims snowstorms prove his flimsy theory of man made global warming.
yeah, you people like to play both sides of the street and maintain a "straight" face.
lol
Where's your evidence?

You are still the same, sans science! Remembering when I noticed you first .. it was claiming some stuff re the destructive tornadoes in OK.. again sans science.

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The climate changes within a range, naturally as cyclical processes shift heat and energy around in dynamic patterns.
BUT no. The issue is that AGW is shifting the climate BEYOND what is 'normal' into areas that will cost money to adapt to, or cost lives.
P.S. You do raise the one question. Why is it that denialist posters seem mostly to choose handles that are the OPPOSITE of their actual logic?
i.e you post the OPPOSITE of common sense, mostly ignorance and bad logic. Do you REALLY think your handle will give such crap some credibility? Or that the readers will be fooled?
Was our last ice age within this "range" you preposterous blathering buffoon?

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Tell me again.... YOU don't icon, liar !
LMAO !
Gotta admit, you're a funny tea twit,,,
Bushwhacked on Sunday

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Krauthammer: The myth of "settled science"
By Charles Krauthammer
Washington Post Writers Group
POSTED: 02/22/2014 05:01:00 PM MST248 COMMENTS| UPDATED: A DAY AGO

""The debate is settled," asserted propagandist in chief Barack Obama in his latest State of the Union address. "Climate change is a fact." Really? There is nothing more anti-scientific than the very idea that science is settled, static, impervious to challenge."

Obama is an idiot.

"So much for settledness. And climate is less well understood than breast cancer. If climate science is settled, why do its predictions keep changing? And how is it that the great physicist Freeman Dyson, who did some climate research in the late 1970s, thinks today's climate-change Cassandras are hopelessly mistaken?"

Warmers are stupid and hysterical

"They deal with the fluid dynamics of the atmosphere and oceans, argues Dyson, ignoring the effect of biology, i.e., vegetation and topsoil. Further, their predictions rest on models they fall in love with: "You sit in front of a computer screen for 10 years and you start to think of your model as being real." Not surprisingly, these models have been "consistently and spectacularly wrong" in their predictions, write atmospheric scientists Richard McNider and John Christy — and always, amazingly, in the same direction.

Settled? Even the U.K.'s national weather service concedes there's been no change — delicately called a "pause" — in global temperature in 15 years. If even the raw data is recalcitrant, let alone the assumptions and underlying models, how settled is the science?"

Blind leading the blind hysterics

"Climate-change proponents have made their cause a matter of fealty and faith. For folks who pretend to be brave carriers of the scientific ethic, there's more than a tinge of religion in their jeremiads. If you whore after other gods, the Bible tells us, "the Lord's wrath be kindled against you, and he shut up the heaven, that there be no rain, and that the land yield not her fruit"

Religious fanatics, as loony as the islamofascists, even more dangerous.

Read more: Krauthammer: The myth of "settled science" - The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/opinion/ci_25199194...
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true wrote:
BS propaganda for carbon taxes, earth been cooling for 10 years hmmmm funny how they keep trying to cook the books to get a company call chicago climate exchange ( which AL GORE GEORGY BUSH BARRY SETERO OR HUSSAN OBAMA OR WHAT EVER HE NAME IS THIS WEEK ) rolling and raking in the billions, oh and by the way to all you believers out there, this is to send all US industry over seas and help to clear out the middle class as well as make the US a third world country like the rest of the world, because obama said in a global order all countrys must be equal. spreading the wealth, do one of you morons think you will see a penny of it?
Obviously the Global Warming Hoaxers are interested in trickle-down-government grants for their own financial benefit and greed and most definitely not "scientific truth." Greed rules most scientific circles.

"May 20 2005 The eastern half of Antarctica is gaining weight more than 45 billion tonnes a year according to a new scientific study. Data from satellites bouncing radar signals off the ground show that the surface of eastern Antarctica appears to be slowly growing higher by about 1.8 centimeters a year..."

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Philliproy wrote:
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Obviously the Global Warming Hoaxers are interested in trickle-down-government grants for their own financial benefit and greed and most definitely not "scientific truth." Greed rules most scientific circles.
"May 20 2005 The eastern half of Antarctica is gaining weight more than 45 billion tonnes a year according to a new scientific study. Data from satellites bouncing radar signals off the ground show that the surface of eastern Antarctica appears to be slowly growing higher by about 1.8 centimeters a year..."
Why only quote a study from 2005 when we have analysis of data from satellites up to 2012?

Oh yes, of course: because the latest figure show the Antarctic losing ice.

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/Grace/news/...

Deniers are liars.

And stupid one too.

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Correction: not even 2005- that's the date of the story.

The analysis is of data up to 2003.

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And how is it that the great physicist Freeman Dyson, who did some climate research in the late 1970s, thinks today's climate-change Cassandras are hopelessly mistaken?"
And what did the group he worked with conclude in the 70s:

If the current growth rate in the use of fossil fuels continues at 4.3% per year, then the CO/sub 2/ concentration in the atmosphere can be expected to double by about 2035 provided the current partition of CO/sub 2/ between the atmosphere, biosphere, and oceans is maintained as is the current mix of fuels. Slower rates of anticipated growth of energy use lead to a doubling of the carbon content of the atmosphere sometime in the period 2040 to 2060. This report addresses the questions of the sources of atmospheric CO/sub 2/; considers distribution of the present CO/sub 2/ among the atmospheric, oceanic, and biospheric reservoir; and assesses the impact on climate as reflected by the average ground temperature at each latitude of significant increases in atmospheric CO/sub 2/. An analytic model of the atmosphere was constructed (JASON Climate Model). Calculation with this zonally averaged model shows an increase of average surface temperature of 2.4/sup 0/ for a doubling of CO/sub 2/. The equatorial temperature increases by 0.7/sup 0/K, while the poles warm up by 10 to 12/sup 0/K. The warming of climate will not necessarily lead to improved living conditions everywhere. Changes in sea level, in agricultural productivity, and in water availability can be anticipated, but the dimensions of their economic, political, or social consequences can not.

http://www.osti.gov/scitech/biblio/5851500

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The late 1970s and early 1980s were a transitional time for scientific research into the effects of CO2 on climate. Before the late ’70s substantial research had been conducted from a purely scientific perspective, largely independent of politics. In 1978 the Carter administration’s desire to use domestic coal to solve the energy crisis brought the CO2 issue into the political arena for the first time. It also increased attention from various scientific groups resulting in the publication of several influential papers. As a result this period has become the focus of some attention by historians.

Two reports could be viewed as marking the beginning of this era. The first was written by a group of physicists from the JASON defense advisory panel (a select group of scientists who met annually, usually to work on defense- related issues, named for the hero of Greek myth), with Gordon MacDonald as the lead author.

The second was an ad hoc National Academy of Sciences (NAS) report authored by Jule G. Charney et al.

Of the two, the Charney study is probably the better known. Many references to the period describe one or both of these as having called for policy action, potentially setting them apart from previous work in the field.

Largely as a result of these reports, the Energy Security Act of 1980 called for a comprehensive NAS study of the issue. Accordingly, the NAS formed the Carbon Dioxide Assessment Committee (CDAC), which in 1983 produced a report called Changing Climate. It provided a thorough assessment of the problem but did not recommend immediate changes to the U.S. energy program.

In a 2008 paper, Naomi Oreskes, Erik M. Conway and Matthew Shindell (OCS) reexamined this period.

In that paper, they concluded that in 1980 a consensus was emerging in the scientific community for action to limit the increase of CO2 in the atmosphere.

http://scilib.ucsd.edu/sio/hist/nierenberg_ea...

The research Dyson was part of in the 70s contributed to the emerging consensus.

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Warming pause and volcanoes

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LessHypeMoreFact wrote:
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The climate changes within a range, naturally as cyclical processes shift heat and energy around in dynamic patterns.
BUT no. The issue is that AGW is shifting the climate BEYOND what is 'normal' into areas that will cost money to adapt to, or cost lives.
P.S. You do raise the one question. Why is it that denialist posters seem mostly to choose handles that are the OPPOSITE of their actual logic?
i.e you post the OPPOSITE of common sense, mostly ignorance and bad logic. Do you REALLY think your handle will give such crap some credibility? Or that the readers will be fooled?
So when the climate changed and the people started losing crops, people died, population shrunk due to lack of ability to grow food, and things got real cold and they came into the little ice age....that wasn't climate beyond what had been normal before that and didn't make "costly" change to their lives or adaptability? RIGHT!!!! Wonder what the evil humans were doing to this fragile climate then to cause such a horrible thing to happen?

When things started warming up....what changed....oh yeah, more population because people could grow more food and expand into areas they had not been able to live before. But the climate didn't apparently change "extremely" enough to make a change in money or cost issues....oh wait, that's right it did. They were just positive changes. And those same evil humans that had caused the little ice age made what changes to their daily lives to try to restore a more acceptable friendly climate....oh that's right, they sent out priest to pray the ice back.

So we are to believe now that the changes are so extreme it is unprecedented and man must be responsible for it all. According to you, because it will cost money to adapt and maybe even lives.....and that is also unprecedented in our history. So never before has it cost to adapt to changes in our climate.
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common sense wrote:
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So when the climate changed and the people started losing crops, people died, population shrunk due to lack of ability to grow food, and things got real cold and they came into the little ice age....that wasn't climate beyond what had been normal before that and didn't make "costly" change to their lives or adaptability? RIGHT!!!! Wonder what the evil humans were doing to this fragile climate then to cause such a horrible thing to happen?
When things started warming up....what changed....oh yeah, more population because people could grow more food and expand into areas they had not been able to live before. But the climate didn't apparently change "extremely" enough to make a change in money or cost issues....oh wait, that's right it did. They were just positive changes. And those same evil humans that had caused the little ice age made what changes to their daily lives to try to restore a more acceptable friendly climate....oh that's right, they sent out priest to pray the ice back.
So we are to believe now that the changes are so extreme it is unprecedented and man must be responsible for it all. According to you, because it will cost money to adapt and maybe even lives.....and that is also unprecedented in our history. So never before has it cost to adapt to changes in our climate.
Name yourself 'no common sense.' What's your evidence?

Above, Fair Game posted: The warming of climate will not necessarily lead to improved living conditions everywhere. Changes in sea level, in agricultural productivity, and in water availability can be anticipated, but the dimensions of their economic, political, or social consequences can not.

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