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Global warming 'undeniable,' scientists say

There are 37118 comments on the TwinCities.com story from Jul 29, 2010, titled Global warming 'undeniable,' scientists say. In it, TwinCities.com reports that:

Scientists from around the world are providing even more evidence of global warming, one day after President Barack Obama renewed his call for climate legislation.

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independent common sense

Coffeyville, KS

#31414 Feb 4, 2014
Fair Game wrote:
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Remember that every scientific academy on the planet has looked at the evidence and said global warming is real and we are responsible.
Believing it isn't happening or that we are not responsible is exactly as detached from reality as claiming the world is flat.
The fact is global warming is happening just like global cooling has happened and will happen again. It's called history!!! The earth has gone through all these cycles before and it will again. AND NO, not ALL scientific academies say we are responsible. That is the dispute and as usual you all just make up stats and assume it makes you sound more credible when in fact it doesn't. It doesn't become the truth just because you repeat a lie multiple times! No matter what your liberal leaders tell you.
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#31415 Feb 4, 2014
independent common sense wrote:
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The fact is global warming is happening just like global cooling has happened and will happen again. It's called history!!! The earth has gone through all these cycles before and it will again. AND NO, not ALL scientific academies say we are responsible. That is the dispute and as usual you all just make up stats and assume it makes you sound more credible when in fact it doesn't. It doesn't become the truth just because you repeat a lie multiple times! No matter what your liberal leaders tell you.
Pointless, irrelevant, blah blah while 400,000 hiroshimas occur daily thanks to humanity..

You are irresponsible in your standing because your ignorance is painful and dangerous..

Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#31416 Feb 4, 2014
independent common sense wrote:
AND NO, not ALL scientific academies say we are responsible.
Sorry, yes they do.
Since 2001 34 national science academies, three regional academies, and both the international InterAcademy Council and International Council of Academies of Engineering and Technological Sciences have made formal declarations confirming human induced global warming and urging nations to reduce emissions of greenhouse gases.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_opini...

I suppose it's the ignorance of simple facts like this that lead so many Americans to believe we are not responsible for global warming.

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SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#31417 Feb 4, 2014
independent common sense wrote:
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The fact is global warming is happening just like global cooling has happened and will happen again. It's called history!!! The earth has gone through all these cycles before and it will again. AND NO, not ALL scientific academies say we are responsible. That is the dispute and as usual you all just make up stats and assume it makes you sound more credible when in fact it doesn't. It doesn't become the truth just because you repeat a lie multiple times! No matter what your liberal leaders tell you.
Not all???

The 2001 joint statement was signed by the national academies of science of Australia, Belgium, Brazil, Canada, the Caribbean, the People's Republic of China, France, Germany, India, Indonesia, Ireland, Italy, Malaysia, New Zealand, Sweden, and the UK.[243] The 2005 statement added Japan, Russia, and the U.S. The 2007 statement added Mexico and South Africa. The Network of African Science Academies, and the Polish Academy of Sciences have issued separate statements. Professional scientific societies include American Astronomical Society, American Chemical Society, American Geophysical Union, American Institute of Physics, American Meteorological Society, American Physical Society, American Quaternary Association, Australian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society, Canadian Foundation for Climate and Atmospheric Sciences, Canadian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society, European Academy of Sciences and Arts, European Geosciences Union, European Science Foundation, Geological Society of America, Geological Society of Australia, Geological Society of London-Stratigraphy Commission, InterAcademy Council, International Union of Geodesy and Geophysics, International Union for Quaternary Research, National Association of Geoscience Teachers, National Research Council (US), Royal Meteorological Society, and World Meteorological Organization.[Wikipedia]

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SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

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#31419 Feb 4, 2014
independent common sense wrote:
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The fact is global warming is happening just like global cooling has happened and will happen again. It's called history!!! The earth has gone through all these cycles before and it will again. AND NO, not ALL scientific academies say we are responsible. That is the dispute and as usual you all just make up stats and assume it makes you sound more credible when in fact it doesn't. It doesn't become the truth just because you repeat a lie multiple times! No matter what your liberal leaders tell you.
Which one?

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gcaveman1

Bay Springs, MS

#31420 Feb 4, 2014
Brian_G wrote:
Droughts have always happened, don't panic.
The entire South West is desert, learn geography and climate won't seem so mysterious.
Yes, but they rarely affect 25 million people.

Or the prices another 200 million people might pay for oranges or tomatoes.

Or lead to hundreds of homes being destroyed by fire.

Nobody is panicking. There's just a calm acknowledgement and warning that things are bad and likely to get worse.

You're certainly not going to panic, are you? You live under a rock.
gcaveman1

Bay Springs, MS

#31421 Feb 4, 2014
harmonious wrote:
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Many predictions by the hysterics have not came true, take hurricanes for example, that prediction fell flat on it's face, didn't it?
No.

“CO2 is Gaseous Love”

Since: Dec 08

Home, sweet home.

#31422 Feb 4, 2014
Perhaps the Californian drought is worsened by poor water management, allocating resources for fish but not for farmers.
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#31423 Feb 4, 2014
ABout the UK.. After all, you can’t see off climate change with bombs and guns. Instead, politicians have to accept the dreadful challenge put forward by Smith: that of making "difficult but sensible choices". The most sensible choice of all, of course, would be to avoid the worst excesses of climate change in the first place - cutting carbon emissions and leading the charge for a global climate agreement. But for a government that has cut flood defence spending, excluded climate change from its flood insurance scheme and appointed a climate sceptic as Environment Secretary, making sensible decisions currently seems too much to ask.
LessHypeMoreFact

Toronto, Canada

#31424 Feb 4, 2014
Brian_G wrote:
Perhaps the Californian drought is worsened by poor water management, allocating resources for fish but not for farmers.
<sarcasm>Yuh, Yuh. That must be why there is no snowpack.. Yup. </sarcasm>
http://www.nationaljournal.com/energy/the-cal...

Are you that brain dead or do you work at it?

Hint. Doubt is the absence of water leading to what allocation???

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/california-droug...
LessHypeMoreFact

Toronto, Canada

#31425 Feb 4, 2014
Typo, Doubt should have been drought.

“Impeach Obama!”

Since: Jul 08

Memphis, TN

#31426 Feb 4, 2014
US Companies Building Solar Panels, Wind Mills and batteries for Electric/hybrid Cars have (all union companies) have gone to China and South Korea. Union thugs scared them away.

Wow, that Stimulus plan has worked. 1.27 million fewer union workers is great huh. Where have the brains of mindless Obamabots gone?

Even Sharp has recently shut down its solar panel assembly line here in Memphis.

Why ignore the obvious truth that cheap energy is not working here in Amerika despite the misleading propaganda of Global Warming Hoaxers.

“With this move, Sharp will be left with only two factories producing solar panels – a business that has become increasingly competitive as China entered the business in the last few years. Sharp’s remaining solar panel factories are one in Sakai, outside of Osaka, and another which is a joint venture in Italy. At its peak, the Memphis plant employed as many as 400, but that has drifted down recently as the company has struggled with low-cost competitors from around the world. The 300 currently employed there in the solar panel business will by laid off by the end of March 2014.” Online source is http://www.strata-gee.com/2014/01/23/sharp-cu...

“CO2 is Gaseous Love”

Since: Dec 08

Home, sweet home.

#31427 Feb 4, 2014
LessHypeMoreFact wrote:
Typo, Doubt should have been drought.
There have always been droughts but no experimental test of climate change mitigation has ever been published in a peer reviewed journal.

“Impeach Obama!”

Since: Jul 08

Memphis, TN

#31428 Feb 4, 2014
And, global warming as the Sun begins to expand from its current size is a certainty not influenced by the actions of mindless Obamabot windbags currently taking up excessive space while ironically emitting carbon dioxide pollutants into the "precious atmosphere" of the third planet from the Sun.

"In approximately 5 billion years, the sun will begin the helium-burning process, turning into a red giant star. When it expands, its outer layers will consume Mercury and Venus, and reach Earth. Scientists are still debating whether or not our planet will be engulfed, or whether it will orbit dangerously close to the dimmer star. Either way, life as we know it on Earth will cease to exist."
Online source is http://www.space.com/22471-red-giant-stars.ht...
SpaceBlues

Cypress, TX

#31429 Feb 4, 2014
Blah blah.. in the meantime

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Radiative-f...

Understanding global warming requires understanding the changes in climate forcings that have occurred since the industrial revolution. These include positive forcing from increased greenhouse gases, negative forcing from increased sulphate aerosols and poorly constrained forcings from indirect aerosol feedbacks as well as minor contributions from solar variability and other factors.
LessHypeMoreFact

Toronto, Canada

#31431 Feb 4, 2014
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>There have always been droughts.
True but irrelevant and thus not an argument. The severity of the current drought is what is unusual.
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>but no experimental test of climate change mitigation has ever been published in a peer reviewed journal.
And never likely to be since the planetary atmosphere is impossible to put on a bench top.

But there is a good 'natural experiment' where GHG levels, aerosol levels and solar influx are all measured, changing by significant amounts and the resulting global average temperature measured. Experiment is just a way to get more data to validate a hypothesis and that has been done. See www.ipcc.ch if you can ever get your brain in order.
gcaveman1

Bay Springs, MS

#31432 Feb 4, 2014
Brian_G wrote:
Perhaps the Californian drought is worsened by poor water management, allocating resources for fish but not for farmers.
California has had to manage its water for a hundred years now. One would hope they had learned how and had made all the mistakes already.

What do you have against fish? Most of us eat the bigger fish. And the little fish? The big fishys eat the little fishys, Brian; didn't you know that?

This is the usual denier excuse whenever California water shortages come up. Snowpack never comes up, and past water shortages have been addressed by better irrigation methods. If it weren't for warming, California would probably have plenty of water now, for people, farms, and fishys.
LessHypeMoreFact

Toronto, Canada

#31433 Feb 4, 2014
gcaveman1 wrote:
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California has had to manage its water for a hundred years now. One would hope they had learned how and had made all the mistakes already.
The biggest 'mistake' is not having enough of it. How do you fix that, huh? Certainly Brians 'solution' of robbing Peter to pay Paul doesn't work. They have been FIGHTING over water for a hundred years now.
gcaveman1 wrote:
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What do you have against fish? Most of us eat the bigger fish. And the little fish? The big fishys eat the little fishys, Brian; didn't you know that?
Fish are important. So is the vegetables, fruits and nuts grown. Neither of which are going to get much allocation of water while the reservoirs dry up and the snow pack tells of a dry spring.
gcaveman1 wrote:
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This is the usual denier excuse whenever California water shortages come up. Snow pack never comes up, and past water shortages have been addressed by better irrigation methods.
Drip irrigation comes to mind and it may be the ONLY way that California produce survives. But they are way behind. The problem is not so much water as CHEAP water. Now that it is much scarcer, it may pay to bring it from longer distances or desalinate. NAWAPA anybody?
gcaveman1 wrote:
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If it weren't for warming, California would probably have plenty of water now, for people, farms, and fishys.
Maybe. There is always some doubt on that issue. The science doesn't have the links yet. Variability can be enormous. From 'atmospheric rivers' that can flood out the entire valley system to periodic droughts back in the time of the Anasazi. Though that latter may be from clearing of forest by the Native Americans and over hunting of relatively dry terrain. The history of ecosystem collapse from early civilization is somewhat predictable.

“you know i know”

Since: Oct 07

denver

#31434 Feb 4, 2014
Fair Game wrote:
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Remember that every scientific academy on the planet has looked at the evidence and said global warming is real and we are responsible.
Believing it isn't happening or that we are not responsible is exactly as detached from reality as claiming the world is flat.
We could use some of that globull warming about right now, too bad there isn't any.

Seen this?

List of record low temperatures set Tuesday - USA Today
www.usatoday.com/story/weather/2014/...cold/4... ;
USA Today
Jan 7, 2014 - Many cities across the USA are enduring record-breaking low temperatures.

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