Global warming 'undeniable,' scientis...

Global warming 'undeniable,' scientists say

There are 35579 comments on the TwinCities.com story from Jul 29, 2010, titled Global warming 'undeniable,' scientists say. In it, TwinCities.com reports that:

Scientists from around the world are providing even more evidence of global warming, one day after President Barack Obama renewed his call for climate legislation.

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gcaveman1

Bay Springs, MS

#31348 Jan 30, 2014
As a wag said yesterday, "What if it's all a hoax and we create a better world for nothing?"
gcaveman1

Bay Springs, MS

#31349 Jan 30, 2014
harmonious wrote:
Deep Freeze Recap: Coldest Temperatures of the Century for Some ...
www.weather.com/.../coldest-arctic-ou...&... ;
The Weather Channel
by Nick Wiltgen - in 66 Google+ circles
Jan 10, 2014 - Now that the January 2014 deep freeze is abating, it's time to take stock ... York and as far south as northern Oklahoma and northern Alabama.
Warming? I think not.
That was east of the Rockies.

Less than 3% of the globe.

Global is the base word for global, as in GLOBAL warming.

Note for the mathematically challenged and those who never grasped the concept of percentages...3% does not equal 100%.

Idiot!
gcaveman1

Bay Springs, MS

#31350 Jan 30, 2014
Fair Game wrote:
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I suspect Putin thinks the same thing. He gets the Arctic gas, and Siberia is a bit more tolerable.
Do you think he's going to share these crops with you?
Do you think Canada is when the US dries up a and crops fail?
Or let you emigrate?
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Well the sources you have quoted so far in support of that argument turn out to say exactly the opposite.
The blind and the stupid don't think AGW is going to be a problem?
Well knock me down with a feather!
How long will it take to turn hundreds of thousands of evergreen forest land in Canada and Russia into viable cornfields?

I kinda doubt that it's a weekend project.

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SpaceBlues

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#31351 Jan 30, 2014
Ask litesong about sunlight hours.

!!!! mud and no sunlight means no crop growth

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#31353 Jan 30, 2014
gcaveman1 wrote:
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How long will it take to turn hundreds of thousands of evergreen forest land in Canada and Russia into viable cornfields?
I kinda doubt that it's a weekend project.
It might be instructive to understand that about 94% of Canadian land is not suitable for growing crops!

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LessHypeMoreFact

Toronto, Canada

#31354 Jan 30, 2014
SpaceBlues wrote:
Ask litesong about sunlight hours.
!!!! mud and no sunlight means no crop growth
Muskeg is not the same as mud, really. During the building of the Trans Canada Railroad they sank timbers into it endlessly for days to finally get a firm enough base. It is like a bottomless swamp. Of course, their is solid land on the shield. Just no soil.

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gcaveman1

Bay Springs, MS

#31355 Jan 30, 2014
Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:
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It might be instructive to understand that about 94% of Canadian land is not suitable for growing crops!
That's what I was thinking, at least the land that is now forest. What, take about 20 years to make it agriculturally suitable?

They do grow a lot of wheat up there.

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gcaveman1

Bay Springs, MS

#31356 Jan 30, 2014
Meanwhile, in Mississippi, the desperate search for "clean coal" stumbles on.

"If Mississippi ratepayers have to pay for most of the $4.5 billion plant, it will set back economic development in our state for decades to come. The failure of this risky venture should be borne by the MPC stockholders, not the Mississippi ratepayers.

This summer the PSC will hold "prudency" hearings on Kemper. These hearings give the PSC one last chance to free Mississippi ratepayers from this 40-year burden. Including interest, the cost will be $12 billion over the life of the plant - an inconceivable burden for a small, rural state such as Mississippi.

Read more: http://www.cdispatch.com/opinions/article.asp...

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"the green troll"

#31357 Jan 30, 2014
gcaveman1 wrote:
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How long will it take to turn hundreds of thousands of evergreen forest land in Canada and Russia into viable cornfields?
I kinda doubt that it's a weekend project.
How long will it take to convert Siberian wheat fields into wheat fields?

http://www.pecad.fas.usda.gov/highlights/2013...

Zero seconds.

The question is, how will AGW affect them?

And how will AGW affect American wheat fields?

Let's suppose, as harmonius does, that AGW is bad for US agriculture but good for that in Russia, how likely is it that a totalitarian kleptocracy, enemy of the US for decades, is going to share its good fortune with the disadvantaged?

As I'm sure you'd agree, not very.

Deniers love to see AGW as a international socialist world government conspiracy; it's ironic they can see an international socialist world government as saviour from AGW.

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denver

#31358 Jan 30, 2014
Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:
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Just wanted to make sure that you understood the recent slowing of warming does not mean that global warming is over.
Unproven speculation. I believe scientists have said we've been warming since the last ice age. Do you know there is no such thing as an "average" temperature?

Doesn't seem to be much warming in the USA this winter, does there? It's a copout to blame any weather/climate anomaly on AGW IMO.

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SpaceBlues

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#31359 Jan 30, 2014
SpaceBlues wrote:
Ask litesong about sunlight hours.
!!!! mud and no sunlight means no crop growth
Daylight in Yakutsk or Sakha:

http://askyakutia.com/wp-content/uploads/2012...

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denver

#31360 Jan 30, 2014
gcaveman1 wrote:
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That's what I was thinking, at least the land that is now forest. What, take about 20 years to make it agriculturally suitable?
They do grow a lot of wheat up there.
With modern machinery and a financial motivation it could be done very quickly, certainly not 20 years.

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denver

#31361 Jan 30, 2014
Fair Game wrote:
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How long will it take to convert Siberian wheat fields into wheat fields?
http://www.pecad.fas.usda.gov/highlights/2013...
Zero seconds.
The question is, how will AGW affect them?
And how will AGW affect American wheat fields?
Let's suppose, as harmonius does, that AGW is bad for US agriculture but good for that in Russia, how likely is it that a totalitarian kleptocracy, enemy of the US for decades, is going to share its good fortune with the disadvantaged?
As I'm sure you'd agree, not very.
Deniers love to see AGW as a international socialist world government conspiracy; it's ironic they can see an international socialist world government as saviour from AGW.
I never said AGW was bad for US agriculture, must have been someone else.

the word denier is inappropriate in most instances, skeptics is. much more accurate.

I'm skeptical, I'm also skeptical that drastic and harmful laws in this country only would have any effect what so ever. I certainly have no problem with all the true believers parking their cars asap.

Would that help?

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denver

#31362 Jan 30, 2014
Fair Game wrote:
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I suspect Putin thinks the same thing. He gets the Arctic gas, and Siberia is a bit more tolerable.
Do you think he's going to share these crops with you?
Do you think Canada is when the US dries up a and crops fail?
Or let you emigrate?
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Well the sources you have quoted so far in support of that argument turn out to say exactly the opposite.
The blind and the stupid don't think AGW is going to be a problem?
Well knock me down with a feather!
SMD and GFY, I try to have a conversation with a radical, hysterical liberal and it always comes to the same thing.

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gcaveman1

Bay Springs, MS

#31363 Jan 30, 2014
Fair Game wrote:
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How long will it take to convert Siberian wheat fields into wheat fields?
http://www.pecad.fas.usda.gov/highlights/2013...
Zero seconds.
The question is, how will AGW affect them?
And how will AGW affect American wheat fields?
Let's suppose, as harmonius does, that AGW is bad for US agriculture but good for that in Russia, how likely is it that a totalitarian kleptocracy, enemy of the US for decades, is going to share its good fortune with the disadvantaged?
As I'm sure you'd agree, not very.
Deniers love to see AGW as a international socialist world government conspiracy; it's ironic they can see an international socialist world government as saviour from AGW.
But north of Canadian and Siberian wheat, the strip of forest before you get to the tundra.

And those forests will move north, and tundra will move north to the sea, and disappear, if warming doesn't happen really fast. Maybe they'll both just burn in place.

<><><>< ><><><> <><><>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>

Don't panic, deniers. My little armageddon above might take 100-200 years. But it wouldn't be impossible in a warming world.

I mentioned rationing water in California. We should have acted before things got that bad. You invite government action with every delay. You should have learned that by now.

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gcaveman1

Bay Springs, MS

#31364 Jan 30, 2014
harmonious wrote:
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With modern machinery and a financial motivation it could be done very quickly, certainly not 20 years.
Got a quote on how much that is gonna cost, genius? Their corn and wheat has been doing just fine where it is, why do they have to move it?

Climate change.

Is that Northern Temperate Forest soil, that's been soaking up pinus needles for 8000 years; you gonna be able to convert to wheat in a year or two? I'll need a biological report for that claim, sonny.

Why do you think two grasses, wheat and corn, grow so well in the American Midwest? Because it was grassland to begin with.

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denver

#31365 Jan 30, 2014
gcaveman1 wrote:
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Got a quote on how much that is gonna cost, genius? Their corn and wheat has been doing just fine where it is, why do they have to move it?
Climate change.
Is that Northern Temperate Forest soil, that's been soaking up pinus needles for 8000 years; you gonna be able to convert to wheat in a year or two? I'll need a biological report for that claim, sonny.
Why do you think two grasses, wheat and corn, grow so well in the American Midwest? Because it was grassland to begin with.
SMD, hysteric.

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#31366 Jan 31, 2014
harmonious wrote:
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Unproven speculation. I believe scientists have said we've been warming since the last ice age. Do you know there is no such thing as an "average" temperature?
Doesn't seem to be much warming in the USA this winter, does there? It's a copout to blame any weather/climate anomaly on AGW IMO.
You are the one with under developed reasoning power,

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"the green troll"

#31367 Jan 31, 2014
harmonious wrote:
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Unproven speculation. I believe scientists have said we've been warming since the last ice age.
Nope.

Slight cooling until the industrial revolution and anthropogenic global warming.

http://www.skepticalscience.com/images/NH_Tem...

http://www.skepticalscience.com/images/Hockey...

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"the green troll"

#31368 Jan 31, 2014
harmonious wrote:
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I never said AGW was bad for US agriculture, must have been someone else.
Time to find out then: it will be.

http://nca2009.globalchange.gov/agriculture

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