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Global warming 'undeniable,' scientists say

There are 36891 comments on the TwinCities.com story from Jul 29, 2010, titled Global warming 'undeniable,' scientists say. In it, TwinCities.com reports that:

Scientists from around the world are providing even more evidence of global warming, one day after President Barack Obama renewed his call for climate legislation.

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“BET DAP”

Since: Feb 09

GOOM BOWN

#31209 Jan 23, 2014
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TO EZ !
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gcaveman1

Bay Springs, MS

#31210 Jan 23, 2014
independent common sense wrote:
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Perhaps you should do more research yourself before deciding on one side of an issue. I would think this "green movement" started around with Maury Strong during the 72 conference at the UN. It picked up steam when they falsified the data in the 95 Climate Change Report by deleting all the opposing views that were stating there was NO evidence of climate change. How can you be so sure of something that thousands of climate scientist cannot even agree on? Are you truly so naïve as to believe that anyone that questions what they are told because the facts prove that we are lied to and the truth is hidden from us everyday on so many different topics must be "paranoid"? You are certainly a wetdream for liberals and the government in general.
Perhaps you should do more research yourself.

I would say this "green movement" started with Teddy Roosevelt.

No one falsified the data. No one deleted anything.

There is plenty of evidence of climate change.

Thousands of climate scientists agree on AGW; it's the fossil fuel interests, perverse libertarians, and their deniers who don't agree, sometimes not even with each other.

I have questioned. I found the truth.

The Earth is warming.
We are causing it.
Thee are things we can do about it.

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LessHypeMoreFact

Orleans, Canada

#31213 Jan 23, 2014
independent common sense wrote:
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Perhaps you should do more research yourself before deciding on one side of an issue. I would think this "green movement" started around with Maury Strong during the 72 conference at the UN.
A brain would help more than 'researching' the paranoid times and right wing blogs. No public movement starts with one man attending a conference.
independent common sense wrote:
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It picked up steam when they falsified the data in the 95 Climate Change Report by deleting all the opposing views that were stating there was NO evidence of climate change.
That was from the paranoid times, right? There was no such falsification, nor has there been any change to the science other than it is stronger and backed by the authorities that RULE on whether science is valid or faulty.
independent common sense wrote:
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How can you be so sure of something that thousands of climate scientist cannot even agree on?
How can you be so ignorant of the science? A survey of the peer reviewed literature shows NO such disagreement.. http://tinyurl.com/lgqo4b6 in fact, out of 9136 scientists actually doing serious research, there is only ONE who publishes a skeptical denial. And that will be thoroughly rebutted I expect. It goes against two or three other papers on cloud formation and it's effects.
independent common sense wrote:
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Are you truly so naïve as to believe that anyone that questions what they are told because the facts prove that we are lied to and the truth is hidden from us everyday on so many different topics must be "paranoid"? You are certainly a wetdream for liberals and the government in general.
You must be paranoid yourself to believe in such a 'global conspiracy' or that it could POSSIBLY be kept quiet. Even the US government cannot stop all the leaks about their spying on US citizens. Pull the other one..

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litesong

Everett, WA

#31217 Jan 23, 2014
"ratdownthemiddle", "middleofthedownwronggull y" works on its Mormon divinity degree....... or its divinity fudge...... containing nuts.
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litesong, prays....
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"ratdownthemiddle", "middleofthedownwronggull y" works on its Mormon divinity degree....... or its divinity fudge...... containing nuts.

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litesong

Everett, WA

#31221 Jan 23, 2014
reality rongs wrote:
Forecast of minus 3 for tonight.
GRISE FIORD, NUNAVUT, CANADA
temperature was -39 degrees Celsius (-38 degrees Fahrenheit).
"reality rongs" is in an AGW hot spot.

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litesong

Everett, WA

#31223 Jan 23, 2014
[QUOTE who="heavy thud & dud"] boats got stuck in the imaginary ice.[/QUOTE]

AGW science predicted in 2002, re-confirmed in 2005 & has proven true that Antarctic sea ice would increase, & touched toxic topix AGW deniers had nothing to do with the science or prediction.

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gcaveman1

Bay Springs, MS

#31225 Jan 23, 2014
heavy tune wrote:
<quoted text>give us all a break 'hype', this is the biggest scam since the barkers last packed up the evangelist tent. the free for all scramble over the billions in free taxpayer ,grant money in return for the proper answers to preconditioned queries about man causing the weather is greed not science. the only serious research being done is how to apply for free taxpayers money, when to apply for free taxpayers money, how to word the predeterminded answer, and when to expect the check, and of course the big one, how long before I can apply for another grant of free taxpayers money. the wool must be pulled over your eyes three layers thick. the us government gladly accepted the soviets offer to help secure the winter games only to get within pistol range of mr snowden. the greatest hero america has ever had since paul whats his name. enjoy the twilight my friend and stay warm.
I believe I have asked you before for evidence of this "scam". So far, all you have provided is some mixed-up, nebulous conspiracy theory.

Do you have any evidence? If you can't produce any solid proof, we'll have to assume that you are a mental case who keeps the blinds down so "they" can't take pictures of you in your tin foil hat.

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independent common sense

Coffeyville, KS

#31226 Jan 23, 2014
gcaveman1 wrote:
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Perhaps you should do more research yourself.
I would say this "green movement" started with Teddy Roosevelt.
No one falsified the data. No one deleted anything.
There is plenty of evidence of climate change.
Thousands of climate scientists agree on AGW; it's the fossil fuel interests, perverse libertarians, and their deniers who don't agree, sometimes not even with each other.
I have questioned. I found the truth.
The Earth is warming.
We are causing it.
Thee are things we can do about it.
Wrong! Ben Santor himself admitted to making deletions from the report and the report AFTER the deletions has been used as a "valid source" for proof of climate change ever since. It's kind of hard to come across as very educated or even believable on a subject when you actual argue that something didn't happen when the person that did it admits to it! I guess his admission didn't fit in your little green bubble of reality. Facts sometimes don't fit in for those that choose to be blissfully ignorant. You are right on the fact that there are thousands that agree on climate change, but just like Santor you are leaving out that little fact that there are also thousands that can't agree or just don't agree with it based on their evidence and lack of any evidence to prove otherwise. There are many scientist that actually believe we are on the verge of heading towards another mini ice age. At the very least surely you can see the way global warming looks like an asinine argument when we have actually set records for the coldest temps in decades and in some areas coldest ever. I am sure I won't be the only one NOT thinking about global warming as I layer clothes and bundle up to go outside in our below zero temps this evening. Investigating only what agrees with your opinion is not really looking for the truth.

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LessHypeMoreFact

Orleans, Canada

#31227 Jan 23, 2014
litesong wrote:
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AGW science predicted in 2002, re-confirmed in 2005 & has proven true that Antarctic sea ice would increase, & touched toxic topix AGW deniers had nothing to do with the science or prediction.
Not really applicable though. The increase in sea ice AREA was to be sychronous with a decrease in sea ice thickness (stronger outward flowing winds but warmer waters). But these forecasts are irrelevant to the problem. The ice breakers would have had no problem in NORMAL pack ice. This was 15 meter thick ice from the collision of an ice tongue and an ice island. No current ice breaker could break through continuous segments of 15 meter ice.

So the story has nothing to do with sea ice or AGW but everything to do with glacier ice flow increases. Also normal to AGW.

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LessHypeMoreFact

Orleans, Canada

#31228 Jan 23, 2014
independent common sense wrote:
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Wrong! Ben Santor himself admitted to making deletions from the report and the report AFTER the deletions has been used as a "valid source" for proof of climate change ever since. It's kind of hard to come across as very educated or even believable on a subject when you actual argue that something didn't happen when the person that did it admits to it!
What is hard is trying to find some substance to your lies.

http://www.pnas.org/content/110/1/3

"Santer and 40 other scientists responded to the Wall Street Journal that all IPCC procedural rules were followed, and that IPCC procedures required changes to the draft in response to comments from governments, individual scientists, and non-governmental organizations. They stated that the pre- and post-Madrid versions of Chapter 8 were equally cautious in their statements; that roughly 20% of Chapter 8 is devoted to the discussion of uncertainties in estimates of natural climate variability and the expected signal due to human activities; and that both versions of the chapter reached the same conclusion: "Taken together, these results point towards a human influence on climate."
independent common sense wrote:
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I guess his admission didn't fit in your little green bubble of reality. Facts sometimes don't fit in for those that choose to be blissfully ignorant. You are right on the fact that there are thousands that agree on climate change, but just like Santor you are leaving out that little fact that there are also thousands that can't agree or just don't agree with it based on their evidence and lack of any evidence to prove otherwise. There are many scientist that actually believe we are on the verge of heading towards another mini ice age. At the very least surely you can see the way global warming looks like an asinine argument when we have actually set records for the coldest temps in decades and in some areas coldest ever. I am sure I won't be the only one NOT thinking about global warming as I layer clothes and bundle up to go outside in our below zero temps this evening. Investigating only what agrees with your opinion is not really looking for the truth.
This is all YOUR paranoid delusion and you are hardly an authority. Those IN authority have chastised Fred Seitz for his false opinion piece attacking the legitimacy of the IPCC.

http://www.ucar.edu/communications/quarterly/...

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VN Vet

Richmond, VA

#31229 Jan 23, 2014
There is NOTHING normal to GW, history shows how many times it has happened in the past. But according to you and the faux science, the SUVs of a thousand years ago caused all those warmings. Damn you are stupid. Please quit breathing out the CO2 from your mouth.
litesong

Everett, WA

#31230 Jan 23, 2014
LessHypeMoreFact wrote:
Not really applicable though. The increase in sea ice AREA was to be sychronous with a decrease in sea ice thickness (stronger outward flowing winds but warmer waters). But these forecasts are irrelevant to the problem. The ice breakers would have had no problem in NORMAL pack ice. This was 15 meter thick ice from the collision of an ice tongue and an ice island. No current ice breaker could break through continuous segments of 15 meter ice.
So the story has nothing to do with sea ice or AGW but everything to do with glacier ice flow increases. Also normal to AGW.
Your assumption that the AGW Antarctic sea ice prediction references only Antarctic sea ice area is wrong, & the sea ice increasing mechanism, you mention, is not the only AGW changes in effect. The AGW prediction for increasing Antarctic sea ice area, also includes increases in Volume AND thickness.
LessHypeMoreFact

Orleans, Canada

#31232 Jan 24, 2014
litesong wrote:
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Your assumption that the AGW Antarctic sea ice prediction references only Antarctic sea ice area is wrong, & the sea ice increasing mechanism, you mention, is not the only AGW changes in effect.
There is also snow deposition triggering freezing, lower salinity from landbound ice melt and stratification of the oceans. Sure. I wanted to make a simple point.
litesong wrote:
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The AGW prediction for increasing Antarctic sea ice area, also includes increases in Volume AND thickness.
Actually not, which is why it is ok that sea ice thickness has become thinner.
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/20...
"We utilize satellite laser altimetry data from NASA's Ice, Cloud, and land Elevation Satellite (ICESat) combined with passive microwave measurements to analyze basin-wide changes in Antarctic sea ice thickness and volume over a 5 year period from 2003–2008. Sea ice thickness exhibits a small negative trend"
litesong

Everett, WA

#31233 Jan 24, 2014
LessHypeMoreFact wrote:
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There is also snow deposition triggering freezing, lower salinity from landbound ice melt and stratification of the oceans. Sure. I wanted to make a simple point.
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Actually not, which is why it is ok that sea ice thickness has become thinner.
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/20...
"We utilize satellite laser altimetry data from NASA's Ice, Cloud, and land Elevation Satellite (ICESat) combined with passive microwave measurements to analyze basin-wide changes in Antarctic sea ice thickness and volume over a 5 year period from 2003–2008. Sea ice thickness exhibits a small negative trend"
Finally, you mention the mechanism highlighted 12 years ago, that the prediction stated would help lead to increasing Antarctic sea ice area, Volume & thickness. But now you say the prediction is invalidated, altho the prediction's mechanism, increasing Antarctic sea ice area, AND increasing sea ice Volume are true, but the thickness, after 12 years is a bit less, because you take out your micrometer.

You would feel differently, if you had been the one to continually highlight this truly outstanding AGW prediction, against the touched toxic topix AGW deniers, who try to use Antarctic sea ice increases as a sign against AGW. But you didn't.
independent common sense

Coffeyville, KS

#31234 Jan 24, 2014
The only proof we need to show what a scam this global warming crap is would be ...... HISTORY!

It has all happened before and it will continue on the cycle just like it always has. The only difference is now we have people that have figured out that you can control people and get filthy rich in the process off a green movement. Greed and desire for power are just like global warming.....it's all happened before and it's no different now.
LessHypeMoreFact

Orleans, Canada

#31235 Jan 24, 2014
litesong wrote:
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Finally, you mention the mechanism highlighted 12 years ago, that the prediction stated would help lead to increasing Antarctic sea ice area, Volume & thickness. But now you say the prediction is invalidated, altho the prediction's mechanism, increasing Antarctic sea ice area, AND increasing sea ice Volume are true, but the thickness, after 12 years is a bit less, because you take out your micrometer.
The main reason for the increase (as I remember it) was increased katabatic winds (outward sweeping winds from the inland height of the ice sheet) which was primarily a feature of the ozone hole cooling of stratospheric air over the pole. Science is non-partisan and open minded. I agree with the prediction. I do not agree with your trumpeting this as a 'success' of AGW prediction, though it is pretty good for ANY forecasting. The main thing is that it is supposed to be a small and temporary increase in winter sea ice extent, ending in a decade or two. And winter sea ice growth is of little concern anyway.
litesong wrote:
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You would feel differently, if you had been the one to continually highlight this truly outstanding AGW prediction, against the touched toxic topix AGW deniers, who try to use Antarctic sea ice increases as a sign against AGW. But you didn't.
I agree that the toxic denialists will take ANY disagreement as signs that AGW theory is 'on the ropes' but trying to bolster the theory by biasing the facts is not the way to communicate.

The ice that trapped the boat was due to glacier tongue vs ice island. The thickness that would stop this class of ice breaker is NOT winter formed sea ice which is at most two meters thick and easily traversed.

THAT is the point that should be highlighted. That this event is due to ice sheet decline, a feature of AGW, not sea ice freezing. I find your post to be a distraction from the proper discussion.

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#31236 Jan 24, 2014
http://www.examiner.com/article/u-n-climate-c...

U.N. climate chief: Communism best method of dealing with global warming

January 15, 2014
For years, conservatives have said that radical environmentalism is little more than a front for a move to Communist tyranny. That assertion seems to have been proven with comments made by Christiana Figueres, climate chief for the United Nations, who said Communism is the best model for fighting global warming, the Daily Caller reported Wednesday.

According to Figueres, China, the world's top emitter of carbon dioxide, is “doing it right,” even though it has major pollution problems of its own.

The reason, she explained, is that democracy is no good at handling something like global warming, with different parties arguing over policy. In fact, she said, political differences like those in the U.S. Congress, are "very detrimental" to solving the issue....

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Science Bob

Hamden, CT

#31238 Jan 24, 2014
Global warming is a myth. It has been admitted as such. It's a devise of the human hating left.

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Science Bob

Hamden, CT

#31239 Jan 24, 2014
[QUOTE
For years, conservatives have said that radical environmentalism is little more than a front for a move to Communist tyranny. That assertion seems to have been proven with comments made by Christiana Figueres, climate chief for the United Nations, who said Communism is the best model for fighting global warming, the Daily Caller reported Wednesday.
According to Figueres, China, the world's top emitter of carbon dioxide, is “doing it right,” even though it has major pollution problems of its own.
The reason, she explained, is that democracy is no good at handling something like global warming, with different parties arguing over policy. In fact, she said, political differences like those in the U.S. Congress, are "very detrimental" to solving the issue....[/QUOTE]

You morons need to live under comunism for a while.

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Those Crazy Aliens

Winnipeg, Canada

#31245 Jan 24, 2014
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