Global warming 'undeniable,' scientists say

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Scientists from around the world are providing even more evidence of global warming, one day after President Barack Obama renewed his call for climate legislation.
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SpaceBlues

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Now if we can only "space" Mr. Blues over here.

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Kyle wrote:
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I just love it when a denier tries to sound all sciency and presents stupid shite and glaring mistakes while doing so.
This moron is either so clueless as to think that climate scientists ignore solar activity or thinks you are.
As for some of his other arguments? He's simultaneously stating a fallacious argument from ignorance and proposing causations that are laughably improbable.
While your response is truly well thought out, no doubt thoroughly researched, and very "sciency", I will try and form a response. No one has ever argued that the earth has gone through a number of warming and cooling cycles over it's lifetime. And both warming and cooling in very recent years as well. But the fact remains that anyone who believes they have proven that mankind is the sole cause of, or a major contributor to, this phenomenon is ignoring 4.5 billion years of history. Thinking that a few decades of temperature monitoring is proof that mankind is the primary cause of changing climates is not science. It is quite obviously about the money, not the science or the environment or saving the race.
You may have noticed that Algore has become a very wealthy man thanks to his carbon credit scams and fear mongering movie, books, and lecture tours. In the process using up more energy that several small towns all by himself.
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cantmakeitup wrote:
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While your response is truly well thought out, no doubt thoroughly researched, and very "sciency", I will try and form a response. No one has ever argued that the earth has gone through a number of warming and cooling cycles over it's lifetime. And both warming and cooling in very recent years as well. But the fact remains that anyone who believes they have proven that mankind is the sole cause of, or a major contributor to, this phenomenon is ignoring 4.5 billion years of history. Thinking that a few decades of temperature monitoring is proof that mankind is the primary cause of changing climates is not science. It is quite obviously about the money, not the science or the environment or saving the race.
You may have noticed that Algore has become a very wealthy man thanks to his carbon credit scams and fear mongering movie, books, and lecture tours. In the process using up more energy that several small towns all by himself.
cantmakeitup, you sure can't make it up. What you made up sucks!
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cantmakeitup wrote:
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While your response is truly well thought out, no doubt thoroughly researched, and very "sciency"
It shows a little of your belief system to call it 'sciency' instead of recognizing it as science. Obviously you are a POOR judge of what is science and what is 'sciency'.
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I will try and form a response.
You do that. And you might try to RESEARCH it instead of forming a response from imaginary expertise.
cantmakeitup wrote:
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No one has ever argued that the earth has gone through a number of warming and cooling cycles over it's lifetime.
What you miss (not being interested in science) is that EACH ONE of those warming and cooling periods had a REASON behind it. Science and the age of reason tells us this and we have yet to find a credible case of 'spontaneous miracles'.
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And both warming and cooling in very recent years as well.
And each of THOSE trends had a 'cause' we can determine. Mostly the 1880 to 1945 period was dominated by warming from the 200 year solar cycle, the 1945 to 1975 period was dominated by cooling from smog (sulphate aerosols) countering the GHG warming that had started, and the 1975 to 2013 period is characterized by strong warming from GHGs.
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But the fact remains that anyone who believes they have proven ..
1: Science provides a 'well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world that can incorporate facts, laws, inferences, and tested hypotheses. Proof is not defined for anything outside of mathematics. Unless you take my 'definition' that proof is a 'convincing and reasoned argument supported by fact, and capable of convincing people educated in the facts of the issue'. If you think about what people CALL proof, you will find it fits.
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that mankind is the sole cause of, or a major contributor to, this phenomenon is ignoring 4.5 billion years of history.
Nope. Science determined what caused THIS warming. It does not 'ignore' the rest of history but it cannot presume causation from something that happened a billion years ago. Please get a clue.
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Thinking that a few decades of temperature monitoring is proof that mankind is the primary cause of changing climates is not science.
Of course not. Just monitoring temperature tells us that the global surface is warming but not WHY. Their was decades of science before the scientist were satisfied that the AGW explanation was solid theory. And YOU are not a judge of science. The NAS is.
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It is quite obviously about the money, not the science or the environment or saving the race.
This tells me a lot about YOU. That you are 'all about money' and 'scams'. But it doesn't show ANYTHING about AGW science.
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You may have noticed that Algore has become a very wealthy man thanks to his carbon credit scams and fear mongering movie, books, and lecture tours.
Again, irrelevant. Al Gore was rich long before AGW and money makes money. Nice of you to admit that he EARNED a lot of that will his talks and lectures. But the SCIENCE has no dependence on Al Gore. He merely talks about it.
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In the process using up more energy that several small towns all by himself.
Rich people do use more resources. That is capitalism. What is your beef? That you are poor? With so little reasoning skills and education in the sciences, you can hardly expect to be rich. Nor does the relative income matter as long as ALL levels of society share equally (in proportion) in the costs and benefits.
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Sunny wrote:
<quoted text>"Yikes"Kyle you're just a want to be scientist and also a little brat boy that thinks nobody can deny his little dream world.
Or maybe you're a pizzed off Android that just thinks he has to control everybody.....lol
Or maybe you been taking to many of them testosterone pills.
Because you're one little mean boy,oh gee I just got it your a short guy.HAHAHAHA
Concession accepted! LMAO
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<quoted text>Welcome to the thread, "Poly"!! You'll see a lot of warmist religious freaks here. When posed with actual observations and facts, they always play the 'condescend' card.
pssssst......no intellectual honesty either. Some even perpetuate lies that have been proven wrong time and again.(1)
(1) See Spaced Blues willful dishonest claims.
You're so predictable. You quote him stating a transparently fallacious argument that I just showed to he fallacious for the slow witted. You then belittle science and rationalists while ignoring and all but endorsing that argument. If you had any intellectual honesty, you would have corrected him and told him not to use fallacious arguments. After all, that damages the denial industry's cause.
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ritedownthemiddle wrote:
<quoted text>WARNING!!!!!! Facts are met with ad hominem diatribes on this thread.
Like that one about the black hole that surely is affecting our climate, right?(Snicker)
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ritedownthemiddle wrote:
<quoted text>Good post, Kyle!!! Just replace "denier" (which most of us aren't) with "warmist".....and you might be onto something, son!!!
OK, ftard, tell us how the fact that CO2 increases caused by warming events with other causation makes warming caused by CO2 "impossible".

Small children can see that this is a nonsense argument, so may we assume that it's beyond your comprehension?
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Cool story bro.
Everything you think you know is wrong.
http://www.seafriends.org.nz/issues/global/cl...
That's nice. Now explain how CO2 released by warming means warming caused by releasing CO2 is impossible. Just dyin' to see you diagram that logic
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<quoted text>I think you're on the right track.....but I bet he puts the "T" ointment under his arms.
Got logic? Defend the indefensible or concede it. Or continue to tap dance and hand wave; it reveals the dishonesty of science deniers quote well.
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ritedownthemiddle wrote:
<quoted text>Maybe because their claims aren't rational when compared to actual observations?? You clowns keep insisting predictions precede reality!!! LOL
Are you always stuck in stupid, son?
We obviously know what you want to believe.....but christ, son.....how long does reality have to keep bytch slappin ya???
Nice rant. Makes your pathological inability to acknowledge your fellow nutter's laughable, fallacious argument more glaring. Thanks.
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<quoted text>WARNING!!! Telling "Kyle" he is wrong is inviting a verbal lashing from a poster with sociopathic issues.
It's about "Kyle". Wish he wasn't Kyle.....I think he's a woman with HPD. At least the behavior matches a couple crazy bytches I new a couple decades ago.
You do know that ad homs while refusing to acknowledge a patently stupid argument does nothing but hurt your credibility. Or would do so in theory if you had any.
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The Abstruse Polymath wrote:
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I know.
It's as challenging as boxing a quadriplegic sometimes.
Then diagramming your logic should be a trivial task.

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While your response is truly well thought out, no doubt thoroughly researched, and very "sciency", I will try and form a response. No one has ever argued that the earth has gone through a number of warming and cooling cycles over it's lifetime. And both warming and cooling in very recent years as well. But the fact remains that anyone who believes they have proven that mankind is the sole cause of, or a major contributor to, this phenomenon is ignoring 4.5 billion years of history. Thinking that a few decades of temperature monitoring is proof that mankind is the primary cause of changing climates is not science. It is quite obviously about the money, not the science or the environment or saving the race.
You may have noticed that Algore has become a very wealthy man thanks to his carbon credit scams and fear mongering movie, books, and lecture tours. In the process using up more energy that several small towns all by himself.
This will answer your objection:

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And this will give you something to think about if you still think climate change is no problem because it's happened before:

http://www.greenmanstudio.com/wardco2big.jpg
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"Uncertainty in exactly how something happens does not translate into uncertainty that it is happening. There is no rational basis for denial of the reality, or the risks, of global warming."

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cantmakeitup wrote:
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In the first place, you should learn to recognize sarcasm when you see it.
It is impossible to see 'sarcasm' in a post. Many will post the same thing but with full conviction. You have to SAY that it is sarcasm (for you). I suggest <sarcasm>text</sarcas m>
cantmakeitup wrote:
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I was making fun of Kyles use of the term "sciency" and his "holier than thou" attitude and condescending posts.
I can recognize condescension and 'holier than thou' posts just from the text though. This one for example.
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Second, you "agw" types are an angry bunch aren't you? Is it so hard to be rational without being insulting and demeaning?
You seem to be projecting. That is, the attitude comes from you. Text posting leaves out most 'emotion' and it Kyle called you an idiot, it was probably on the evidence. You might try to make more intelligent posts...
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Unable to even consider the possibility that there is more to climate changes than just human influences..
Total hogwash. No wonder he suggested that you get a clue. Human influence is only one part of climate change. The POINT is that it IS a part of climate change and the dominant one in AGW.
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you lash out at those who question in a condescending, self important fashion as if you are better than the "stupid" people who don't go along with your theories.
Those who don't go along with science theories (i.e fact) are worthy of some 'derisive comments'. It is hardly 'lashing out' to point it out to them.
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Let me guess, you also believe people who did not vote for Obama are inherently racist?
Your 'guesses' are as stupid as the rest of your post. Sorry that you are not getting much 'respect' from me but then you haven't earned any respect here. Not with this type of post.

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[b]Another Libtard Global Warming Genius[/b]
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http://hotair.com/archives/2013/02/10/too-goo...
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canscrewitup wrote:
Unable to even consider the possibility that there is more to climate changes than just human influences......
AGW science always considers the natural influences to climate. They calculate its effects far more accurately than toxic topix AGW deniers, who very rarely have science & mathematics degrees, & also rarely have science, chemistry, astronomy, physics, algebra, & pre-calc in their poorly earned hi skule DEE-plooomaas.

Why you even say such a thing, obviously shows your political desperation to add something to these toxic topix AGW threads, since you have no science cred. However....... other toxic topix AGW deniers use the same thought, also showing their collapsed understanding of AGW. You toxic topix AGW deniers are so desperate.

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