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Global warming 'undeniable,' scientists say

There are 35580 comments on the TwinCities.com story from Jul 29, 2010, titled Global warming 'undeniable,' scientists say. In it, TwinCities.com reports that:

Scientists from around the world are providing even more evidence of global warming, one day after President Barack Obama renewed his call for climate legislation.

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Mothra

United States

#29493 Sep 11, 2013
litesong wrote:
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So 'motheaten' quotes my calculated 16%, but not toxic topix AGW deniers' misdiagnosed, incoherent & uncalculated 60%. "motheaten' takes its first correct step, since its missteps NOT taking & passing science & mathematics courses for its poorly earned hi skule DEE-plooomaa.
<sigh>

... and now you're back to incoherent blather not worth reading.

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Since: Feb 07

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#29494 Sep 11, 2013
Just call it an IceAge, Al Gore has cashed in on the earthly warming scam.

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LIbErals

Saint Paul, MN

#29495 Sep 11, 2013
A leaked draft of the Fifth Assessment Report of the United Nations' Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (due to be released later this month) downgraded the likelihood of a connection between past temperature rises and extreme weather events. According to the report, there is "low confidence" in any association between climate change and hurricane frequency or intensity.

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LessHypeMoreFact

Etobicoke, Canada

#29496 Sep 11, 2013
LIbErals wrote:
A leaked draft of the Fifth Assessment Report of the United Nations' Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (due to be released later this month) downgraded the likelihood of a connection between past temperature rises and extreme weather events. According to the report, there is "low confidence" in any association between climate change and hurricane frequency or intensity.
Distortion or nonsense.

Specifically, it said:

"Tropical cyclone data provides low confidence that any reported long-term changes are robust, after accounting for past changes in observing capabilities."

Which means that they are less sure of the connection due to problematic differences in data sources, NOT that they have concluded that the connection is weaker..

"Over the satellite era, increases in the intensity of
17 the strongest storms in the Atlantic appear robust."

And here they confirm that they HAVE found a connection, at least for the latest high quality data.

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LIbEralS

Saint Paul, MN

#29497 Sep 11, 2013
LessHypeMoreFact wrote:
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Distortion or nonsense.
...And here they confirm that they HAVE found a connection, at least for the latest high quality data.
TRANSLATION: ONLY the data that confirms my view can be considered "high quality data". Anything else isn't to be considered.

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SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#29498 Sep 11, 2013
LIbEralS wrote:
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TRANSLATION: ONLY the data that confirms my view can be considered "high quality data". Anything else isn't to be considered.
CORRECT TRANSLATION: The theory explains the onservations.

The theory was not disproven!

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SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#29499 Sep 11, 2013
CORRECT TRANSLATION: The theory explains the observations.

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SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#29500 Sep 11, 2013
LIbErals wrote:
A leaked draft of the Fifth Assessment Report of the United Nations' Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (due to be released later this month) downgraded the likelihood of a connection between past temperature rises and extreme weather events. According to the report, there is "low confidence" in any association between climate change and hurricane frequency or intensity.
So early lies precede the release.

Your goose must be overcooked!

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SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#29501 Sep 11, 2013
litesong wrote:
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....... cause "motheaten" ken't do nothin' hisself......
.. but act fake ..

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LessHypeMoreFact

Etobicoke, Canada

#29502 Sep 11, 2013
LIbEralS wrote:
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TRANSLATION: ONLY the data that confirms my view can be considered "high quality data". Anything else isn't to be considered.
Bogus. The satellite data of recent years is by far the more accurate and stable measurement. Proxy estimates (i.e sunspot) reading have much higher error bars and thus make it less 'robust' to analyze. This isn't a matter of opinion but of fact.

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gcaveman1

Bay Springs, MS

#29503 Sep 11, 2013
LessHypeMoreFact wrote:
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Bogus. The satellite data of recent years is by far the more accurate and stable measurement. Proxy estimates (i.e sunspot) reading have much higher error bars and thus make it less 'robust' to analyze. This isn't a matter of opinion but of fact.
You really think he understands such terms as "proxy" and "robust"?

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gcaveman1

Bay Springs, MS

#29504 Sep 11, 2013
Why don't we wait for the report?

It's still in the editing stage, and there's bound to be internal politics at play.

What I've heard is that the report will again be fairly conservative, possibly because of heat they have received for the previous reports, causing them to pull their punches. If so, congratulations, denialists, you are influencing science your way and endangering civilization even more.

After all, we don't want to get too alarmist about an impending catastrophe, do we? That would make us all Chicken Littles.

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Kyle

Ligonier, IN

#29505 Sep 11, 2013
LIbEralS wrote:
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"Environmentalism is not a distraction its been turned around and used as a tool to further a socialist agenda. Environmentalism = EVERYTHINGism. Socialists committed ideologically to notion government should control every aspect of our lives. Will not let tool go to waste that gives absolute power and control they want and have waited 100 years for and allows them to get it under the GUSIE of saving the planet."
Patrick Moore – co-founder of GreenPeace
Effect on validity of science =ZERO.

That's the neat thing about science. It's evidence based and self-correcting. No amount of political fussing has any effect on the evidence.

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Kyle

Ligonier, IN

#29506 Sep 11, 2013
LIbEralS wrote:
An example of KYLE logic:
- A million more square miles of ocean being covered in ice in a year's time doesn't change the fact that the Earth certainly must be warming.
Example of LIbEralS argument:
- Ignore all arguments made and concoct some rhetorical flourish. That smells like defeat.

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Kyle

Ligonier, IN

#29507 Sep 11, 2013
LIbEralS wrote:
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TRANSLATION: ONLY the data that confirms my view can be considered "high quality data". Anything else isn't to be considered.
TRANS: "I don't understand statistical tests on data."

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Kyle

Ligonier, IN

#29508 Sep 11, 2013
Mothra wrote:
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Hey, don't bitch at me.
It's the warmists promoting global warming who aren't abiding by the "science".
Not bitching; pointing out your illogical argument style. BTW, you were illogical again. The logical response would have been an acknowledgement of your previous logical failure, not more of same.

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Kyle

Ligonier, IN

#29509 Sep 11, 2013
Mothra wrote:
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You fail to follow conversation.
Doesn't matter, nor change the fact that the leaders and promoters aren't abiding by your science.
Gawd... that's gotta really bug you, huh?
I follow the conversation just fine:

Deniers deny science.
Deniers lose on science.
Deniers argue non-science as a non sequitur argument for science.
Deniers refuse to acknowledge the above, so they deny the subject being discussed.

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Kyle

Ligonier, IN

#29510 Sep 11, 2013
ritedownthemiddle wrote:
<quoted text>get back to me when you can stop bastardizing valid science, sport!!
Says the serial liar who's been defeated on the science many times but never laid a glove on my scientific claims.

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Kyle

Ligonier, IN

#29511 Sep 11, 2013
Mothra wrote:
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Actually it is.
No it isn't, as already explained. If Hitler himself launched WWIII to enforce a global carbon tax while burning every acre of the Amazon forest, the effect on the validity of climate science wouldn't be affected one iota.

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“BET DAP”

Since: Feb 09

GOOM BOWN

#29512 Sep 11, 2013
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>CORRECT TRANSLATION: The theory explains the onservations.
The theory was not disproven!
theories are proven. man made climate change is a hypothesis....ergo it hasn't been proven.
DUH!!!!!!!!

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