Global warming 'undeniable,' scientis...

Global warming 'undeniable,' scientists say

There are 35599 comments on the TwinCities.com story from Jul 29, 2010, titled Global warming 'undeniable,' scientists say. In it, TwinCities.com reports that:

Scientists from around the world are providing even more evidence of global warming, one day after President Barack Obama renewed his call for climate legislation.

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gcaveman1

Bay Springs, MS

#29470 Sep 9, 2013
Mothra wrote:
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I gave you the link. Is not the head of the IPCC a leader?
Sheesh.
Regardless, I hear no outcry from warmists about other warmists.
Why is that?
"Does it change the fact that the Earth is warming?"
Hmmm... don't warmists say everyone needs to cut their carbon footprint... but not their leaders and mouthpieces?
Another motto:
"All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others".
I know you really think this is something and that you'd really like for it to be something, but...

it really isn't.

It's not like you can show us a graph of global temperature records going down for 30 years.

It's not like you can show us three times more cold records than warm records.

It's not like you can show us a chart showing sea level going down 8 inches in the past 100 years.

It's not like you can show us a list of figures showing Arctic ice cover increasing over the past 30 years.

All you can show us is an article in a yellow paper gossiping about a rich and powerful man that you obviously envy. That's why you suggest not paying any attention to the man behind the curtain.

You feel so small and impotent when confronted with such success.
Mothra

United States

#29471 Sep 9, 2013
gcaveman1 wrote:
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I know you really think this is something and that you'd really like for it to be something, but...
it really isn't.
Actually it is.

'They' say, you follow.

But 'they' don't do as well.

You must really feel like a sap.

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gcaveman1

Bay Springs, MS

#29472 Sep 9, 2013
Mothra wrote:
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Actually it is.
'They' say, you follow.
But 'they' don't do as well.
You must really feel like a sap.
WA.......
tever!
gcaveman1

Bay Springs, MS

#29473 Sep 9, 2013
Mothra wrote:
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Actually it is.
'They' say, you follow.
But 'they' don't do as well.
You must really feel like a sap.
And you must feel like an idiot, not having anything to show....
gcaveman1

Bay Springs, MS

#29474 Sep 9, 2013
Mothra wrote:
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Actually it is.
'They' say, you follow.
But 'they' don't do as well.
You must really feel like a sap.
Show me your hockey stick, big boy, with the blade turned down!?!?

Since: May 13

North Miami Beach, FL

#29475 Sep 9, 2013
mememine69 wrote:
Why is it still just a "maybe" scientific consensus of a "possible" coming climate crisis as they have never agreed that any crisis was an inevitable and unavoidable crisis that will happen for certain?
28 years of science NEVER saying a crisis WILL happen feeds deniers and perpetuates this costly debate to save the planet. Science can end this debate instantly with a real warning for a real crisis.
So just what DOES have to happen now for science to say the end of "life as we know it" from their own climate crisis WILL happen? When it's too late? How close to the edge of no return from unstoppable will the lab coats lead us with their "maybe" "catastrophic" climate crisis?
thethirdrail

the confusion over the concept of climate change comes from
the political definition of climate change----do you believe
that the change is
due to Man or is it due to Mother Nature throwing a Tantrum?????
the confusion also comes from those who claim the change is
(define Is) from man-- and we have their thousands of leaked
Emails confirming ---their data was shall we say suspect to put
it politely!!!!!!!

the confusion also comes from those who would like to see the
issue used as a way control your life and tax you!!!!!!
Mothra

United States

#29476 Sep 9, 2013
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gcaveman1 wrote:
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Wow... for something that matters so little, three replies?

Methinks you protest to much.

Enjoy your hypocrisy.

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“BET DAP”

Since: Feb 09

GOOM BOWN

#29477 Sep 9, 2013
LessHypeMoreFact wrote:
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I doubt if he believes he can get you to any form of 'intellectual honesty'. That doesn't mean that the truth should be hidden from you OR others. THAT is 'intellectual honesty'.
why speak for "kyle", son?? when will you begin being honest with yourself? only then will you be able to be honest with others. it may not be intellectual....but it will be a good start!!

LOL

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LIbEralS

Minneapolis, MN

#29479 Sep 10, 2013
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Bearing on the validity of the science = ZERO.
"Environmentalism is not a distraction its been turned around and used as a tool to further a socialist agenda. Environmentalism = EVERYTHINGism. Socialists committed ideologically to notion government should control every aspect of our lives. Will not let tool go to waste that gives absolute power and control they want and have waited 100 years for and allows them to get it under the GUSIE of saving the planet."

Patrick Moore – co-founder of GreenPeace

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LIbEralS

Minneapolis, MN

#29480 Sep 10, 2013
An example of KYLE logic:
- A million more square miles of ocean being covered in ice in a year's time doesn't change the fact that the Earth certainly must be warming.
litesong

Snohomish, WA

#29482 Sep 10, 2013
LIbEralS wrote:
A million more square miles of ocean being covered in ice in a year's time doesn't change the fact that the Earth certainly must be warming.
Global warming continues, tho you can't(won't) see it. As is toxic topix AGW denier non-science, they love to latch on to the previous year's records(2007, 2012) of stunning drops, tho they themselves often made no comments on those vast drops, at the time. Here's the present context, as toxic topix AGW deniers won't report:

"Sea ice has NOT increased by 60%, as toxic topix AGW deniers state. Due to temporary Arctic colds, Arctic sea ice volume(a much better measure than extent) is presently 16% greater than the period 2010 to Current. Present September 1, 2013 sea ice VOLUME is ~5100 cubic kilometers,~10,000 cubic kilometers less than the 1980-89 period to September 1."

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Mothra

United States

#29483 Sep 10, 2013
litesong wrote:
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Global warming continues, tho you can't(won't) see it. As is toxic topix AGW denier non-science, they love to latch on to the previous year's records(2007, 2012) of stunning drops, tho they themselves often made no comments on those vast drops, at the time. Here's the present context, as toxic topix AGW deniers won't report:
"Sea ice has NOT increased by 60%, as toxic topix AGW deniers state. Due to temporary Arctic colds, Arctic sea ice volume(a much better measure than extent) is presently 16% greater than the period 2010 to Current. Present September 1, 2013 sea ice VOLUME is ~5100 cubic kilometers,~10,000 cubic kilometers less than the 1980-89 period to September 1."
"Arctic sea ice volume(a much better measure than extent) is presently 16% greater than the period 2010 to Current."

Hmmm... 16% more.

So more arctic ice is a good thing, isn't it?

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gcaveman1

Bay Springs, MS

#29484 Sep 10, 2013
Mothra wrote:
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"Arctic sea ice volume(a much better measure than extent) is presently 16% greater than the period 2010 to Current."
Hmmm... 16% more.
So more arctic ice is a good thing, isn't it?
IF you could understand, you wouldn't be so proud of your "discovery".

But understanding is above your pay grade.

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litesong

Snohomish, WA

#29485 Sep 10, 2013
motheaten wrote:
"Arctic sea ice volume(a much better measure than extent) is presently 16% greater than the period 2010 to Current."
Hmmm... 16% more.
So more arctic ice is a good thing, isn't it?
More Arctic ice is understandable, due to the sentence phrase you deleted:
Due to temporary Arctic colds......

I just calculate 'em & report 'em. toxic topix AGW deniers can't calculate properly, since they have no mathematics background. toxic topix AGW deniers can't report better evidence, since they have no science background. But toxic topix AGW deniers report their own mismatched, mis-interpreted, & missing & missed data.

What? You're not coming back with the 60% that toxic topix AGW denier liars, like yourself, are parading? 60%...... keep pushing it....... try it in your toxic topix AGW denier PEE-r reviewed science articles.......

"motheaten" earns its name. Can't defend 60%. So he defends 16%, without a reason.

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LessHypeMoreFact

Etobicoke, Canada

#29486 Sep 10, 2013
Mothra wrote:
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"Arctic sea ice volume(a much better measure than extent) is presently 16% greater than the period 2010 to Current."
Hmmm... 16% more.
Bogus.
http://tinyurl.com/8aegol8
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So more arctic ice is a good thing, isn't it?
http://imb.crrel.usace.army.mil/change.htm
"Ice Thickness:

While there is extensive 30 year long dataset for ice extent and concentration, much less is known about the thickness of the ice cover. A wide range of observations give indications that the ice cover is thinning. Satellite-based systems for monitoring ice thickness are currently under development. Submarine surveys of ice thickness provide the most data for time series analysis. The submarine ice thickness dataset is a set of snapshots in space and time complicating efforts to develop a climatological time series. Results from Rothrock et al.(1999) shows changes in ice thickness comparing submarine results from the 1958 through 1976 to results from the 1990's. The results show that there was thinning at every point of comparison. The thinning averaged 40%, representing a decrease from about 3 m to less than 2 m"

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Mothra

United States

#29487 Sep 10, 2013
gcaveman1 wrote:
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IF you could understand, you wouldn't be so proud of your "discovery".
But understanding is above your pay grade.
Gawd... you're so pissy.

It was no discovery, but a question. Do let litesong answer. It's an easy one and he's being so coherent of late.

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Mothra

United States

#29488 Sep 10, 2013
LessHypeMoreFact wrote:
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Bogus.
http://tinyurl.com/8aegol8
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http://imb.crrel.usace.army.mil/change.htm
"Ice Thickness:
While there is extensive 30 year long dataset for ice extent and concentration, much less is known about the thickness of the ice cover. A wide range of observations give indications that the ice cover is thinning. Satellite-based systems for monitoring ice thickness are currently under development. Submarine surveys of ice thickness provide the most data for time series analysis. The submarine ice thickness dataset is a set of snapshots in space and time complicating efforts to develop a climatological time series. Results from Rothrock et al.(1999) shows changes in ice thickness comparing submarine results from the 1958 through 1976 to results from the 1990's. The results show that there was thinning at every point of comparison. The thinning averaged 40%, representing a decrease from about 3 m to less than 2 m"
Bogus? I was quoting litesong.

Have a beef with it? Take it up with him.

Sheesh... you warmists are so sensitive.

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Mothra

United States

#29489 Sep 10, 2013
litesong wrote:
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More Arctic ice is understandable, due to the sentence phrase you deleted:
Due to temporary Arctic colds......
I just calculate 'em & report 'em. toxic topix AGW deniers can't calculate properly, since they have no mathematics background. toxic topix AGW deniers can't report better evidence, since they have no science background. But toxic topix AGW deniers report their own mismatched, mis-interpreted, & missing & missed data.
What? You're not coming back with the 60% that toxic topix AGW denier liars, like yourself, are parading? 60%...... keep pushing it....... try it in your toxic topix AGW denier PEE-r reviewed science articles.......
"motheaten" earns its name. Can't defend 60%. So he defends 16%, without a reason.
Hey there...'hype' says your calculations are bogus.

Take it up with him.

btw, you didn't answer my question... is more arctic ice good or bad?

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litesong

Snohomish, WA

#29490 Sep 10, 2013
motheaten wrote:
I was quoting litesong........
....... cause "motheaten" ken't do nothin' hisself......

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litesong

Snohomish, WA

#29491 Sep 10, 2013
motheaten wrote:
Do let litesong answer........ he's being so coherent of late.
So 'motheaten' quotes my calculated 16%, but not toxic topix AGW deniers' misdiagnosed, incoherent & uncalculated 60%. "motheaten' takes its first correct step, since its missteps NOT taking & passing science & mathematics courses for its poorly earned hi skule DEE-plooomaa.

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