Global warming 'undeniable,' scientists say

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Scientists from around the world are providing even more evidence of global warming, one day after President Barack Obama renewed his call for climate legislation.

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Even his case of Solyndra is bogus. Two reasons. Even the private sector would have bet on the company, as it had a good product and idea. Only illegal and corrupt 'dumping' by China interfered.
The second is that the PROGRAM was a resounding success with at least 95% success. A much better record for 'venture capital' than the businesses generally make.
caveman's response was to me!! what case did i make about SOLYNDRA that was bogus?????

Cite the case i made or admit you were wrong.

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Read the reference dimwit. That is what he presented. The FACTS. YOU can then decide whether YOU support the standards or want to invest with an INFORMED decision (not likely!!)
who's facts, son?

do you support rfs2, too???

i'd just like to get it all out there so we all know where we stand!!!

you don't have to play games, son. just state your beliefs.

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okay....i get it!!! you people don't want to give your opinion about rfs because you supported it then, but you don't support it now?

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judge me. LMAO!!! that's all you spineless ninnies can do when asked a direct question!!!

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i wish you all were as smart as you thought you were. then...this country and economy might have a fighting chance.
you're all killing your grand children's future.....not co2.
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Amory Lovins:
I recently wrote about—and debunked—the renewables “disinformation campaign” that spreads misinformed and falsely negative stories about the growth of renewable energy. A special focus of such disinformation has been reportage on Germany’s efficiency-and-renewables revolution. The impressive success so far of the German Energiewende (energy turnaround) is an important existence proof for the world, because Germany is cloudy, high-latitude, heavily industrialized, highly competitive (it rivals America’s merchandise exports with one-fourth its population), and the world’s fourth-biggest economy.
Perhaps because German success would therefore belie the supposed necessity of fossil-fuel and nuclear energy, some media regularly report the Energiewende’s failure or supposed impossibility. As Ihighlighted, Germany’s renewables revolution is in fact highly successful and strong as ever, but that hasn’t stopped three myths from gaining traction in the media: 1) Germany’s supposed turn back to coal, 2) how renewables undermine grid reliability, and 3) how renewables subsidies are cratering the German economy. None of those are true, and here’s why.
http://blog.rmi.org/separating_fact_from_fict...
Thanks for bringing it here.

I'm glad that Mr Lovins has seen the light re nuclear, again:

Germany’s renewable growth has more than offset nuclear shutdowns while efficiency has flattened or decreased electricity demand.
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<quoted text>so......are you saying you supportthe rfs2 standards? are you a proponent of biodiesel and ethanol blended gasoline?
I don't know. What's rfs2 standards?

Not particularly.

I have a day job, sometimes, a house to finish, and a water leak to track down. My specialty is construction, not transportation.
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<quoted text>who's facts, son?
There is only one set of real facts. And a lot of ignorance by those, who, like you, think they can make them up. Your 'facts' will never stand up to scrutiny the way that science will.
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There is only one set of real facts. And a lot of ignorance by those, who, like you, think they can make them up. Your 'facts' will never stand up to scrutiny the way that science will.
Give yourself another F for not comprehending the question. Oh, also five more rotting fish.

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<quoted text>Give yourself another F for not comprehending the question. Oh, also five more rotting fish.
why are you so hard on "less hype"...after all he's on the same misguided team you are.

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I don't know. What's rfs2 standards?
Not particularly.
I have a day job, sometimes, a house to finish, and a water leak to track down. My specialty is construction, not transportation.
in that case you may want to read up on the subject and get back to me. Rfs2 lays the groundwork for implementing the EPA mandates for renewable fuel use in the country.
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[QUOTE who="gall of obama's racist enemies"]Freezeing(sic) temps in South America, Canada, China,,
We are assuming the earth is WARMING!![/QUOTE]

Presently, South America is in its winter time temperatures.
Presently, the Canadian sun is 10 degrees lower in the sky than its highest, & days in high Canadian Arctic are no longer 24 hours a day........ temperatures are dropping. Surprise.

What is surprising, with similar conditions reigning in the Arctic Siberia, still long term temperatures on lands bordering the Arctic Ocean have been mid-20degC(79 degF).
Long term temperatures above the Siberian Arctic Circle have recently been 29degC(84degF).

The assumptions of toxic topix AGW deniers are never based on science, because the vast majority of toxic topix AGW deniers are under-educated(non-educated) in science & mathematics.
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...... when asked a direct question!!!
LMAO@UA
"middleofthedownwronggull y" never asked questions in its science & mathematics classes, because it never took science & mathematics questions.

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okay....i get it!!! you people don't want to give your opinion about rfs because you supported it then, but you don't support it now?
bwwwaaaakkkk bwaaak bwaaak
George W. Bush and Dick Cheney are out of office six years ,but still 'fracking' the American people and getting richer for it. WTF!
PLEASE SHARE, PEOPLE NEED TO KNOW THIS!!!!
Texas towns are now running out of water. Fracking will destroy our earth and our water supply. Let's look at why:
HALLIBURTON LOOPHOLE: http://longmontroar.org/regulations/halliburt...
DEREGULATION: http://thefbm.com/2012/01/24/the-unregulated-...
BUSH BUYS AQUIFER AFTER DEREGULATING FRACKING:
http://pimpinturtle.com/2008/07/31/bush-buys-...
POLLUTED WATER FROM FRACKING:
www.youtube.com/watch...
THIRTY TOWNS WILL BE OUT OF WATER BY 2014:
http://gas2.org/2013/08/16/texas-is-fracked-m...
PLUTOCRATS DENYING OUR RIGHTS EXTEND TO WATER NOW:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/george-mcgraw/n...

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<quoted text>George W. Bush and Dick Cheney are out of office six years ,but still 'fracking' the American people and getting richer for it. WTF!
PLEASE SHARE, PEOPLE NEED TO KNOW THIS!!!!
Texas towns are now running out of water. Fracking will destroy our earth and our water supply. Let's look at why:
HALLIBURTON LOOPHOLE: http://longmontroar.org/regulations/halliburt...
DEREGULATION: http://thefbm.com/2012/01/24/the-unregulated-...
BUSH BUYS AQUIFER AFTER DEREGULATING FRACKING:
http://pimpinturtle.com/2008/07/31/bush-buys-...
POLLUTED WATER FROM FRACKING:
www.youtube.com/watch...
THIRTY TOWNS WILL BE OUT OF WATER BY 2014:
http://gas2.org/2013/08/16/texas-is-fracked-m...
PLUTOCRATS DENYING OUR RIGHTS EXTEND TO WATER NOW:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/george-mcgraw/n...
and all this has something to do with rfs2........how?
Lol
Do you even know?
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<quoted text>provide one name of a scientist who has PROVEN what you claim....or just shut up, idiot.
Well, I should have known it wasn't to be the last time:

"And one last time for the terminally stupid - Proofs are for mathematics, you moron."

You'll post anything, even if it makes you look dumber than a sack of hammers, rather than admit any defeat - or even just S'ingTFU.

What a troll.
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<quoted text>oh my,'obama', if only I could get a government grant, I could study that. meanwhile, patently wrong, nonsensical arguements ad nauseum are the trademark of the global warming hysterics. of course I would need a government grant to prove that within 97%, which would not be easy, with todays weather being the same as historical records and all, and the repeat of cycles and stuff. a government grant, with predeterminded outcomes, prewritten in the grant, is the only way that any sort of study can take place. I am 97% sure you will agree. however, we must act before the weather changes for the worst. I have reopened our e-mail account so you can send the funding. remember,'obama' fairy tales cancome true, it can happen to you.
TRANS: "Science is a global conspiracy. Listen to the fossil fuel funded "think tanks"; they're as pure as the driven snow,"
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<quoted text>i don't think a tax can alter climate any more than i think a tax will make it rain. if you have a good theory counter to my position.....conduct an experiment and prove me wrong.
Of course you do, you're just too dishonest to admit that basic logic, applied to your own claims, demands it. You admit that without enough CO2 in the atmosphere, the reduced GHE would lead to a snowball Earth event, therefore, you admit to CO2 being a powerful GHG.

You also admit to (if only by refusing to acknowledge all references posted) that CO2 is up drastically in a geological blink of an eye and accelerating, therefore, you admit that the rising CO2 should, in fact, be causing warming.

You repeatedly express great concern (concern trolling) about the effects on climate of reducing this unprecedented increase, thereby admitting in yet another way that you accept that CO2 is at least potentially dangerous to the climate.

Basic logic and the laws of cause and effect demand that:

If "A causes B" is TRUE, then:

"If NOT A, B cannot be caused by A"

read.....comprehend.....respon d.....in that order, sonofabitch.
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<quoted text>why are you so hard on "less hype"...after all he's on the same misguided team you are.
Not true, not on my team.

He's scared of you.
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i wish you all were as smart as you thought you were. then...this country and economy might have a fighting chance.
you're all killing your grand children's future.....not co2.
So utterly inverted. You may be killing my grandchildren - period - with your anti-reality BS.

Here's something new for you to DENY, DENIER SCUM. What year do you think the Arctic sea ice maximum will fall below the 1979 minimum?:

http://skepticalscience.com//pics/arctic-deat...

As you can see, as of 2012, the maximum dropped from 33,000 km^3 to 22,000 and the minimum from 17,000 to 3000. My guess is 2016.

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