Global warming 'undeniable,' scientis...

Global warming 'undeniable,' scientists say

There are 34463 comments on the TwinCities.com story from Jul 29, 2010, titled Global warming 'undeniable,' scientists say. In it, TwinCities.com reports that:

Scientists from around the world are providing even more evidence of global warming, one day after President Barack Obama renewed his call for climate legislation.

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SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#29248 Aug 18, 2013
Philliproy wrote:
Obama gave Solyndra $500,000,000 in taxpayer money and Solyndra shut its doors and laid off 1100 workers in August 2011 After Billions in Losses due to failure to make a solar product that works! If Europe wants to invest in more failure, let them do so and reap the losses, not American taxpayers. And, American military power is built on lots of cheap oil and nuclear power, not wimpy windmills. And, have you ever seen a windmill-powered Mercedes, for example? How many such autos were sold in Germany last year? Zero!
Poor Pr, you need to catch up with so much.

Don't worry if you have caretakers.

Since: May 13

Miami, FL

#29249 Aug 18, 2013
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>Thanks for a reply that is neither average nor logical. Oh well you did your best.
Global warming has caught you unprepared; it's your own fault.
thethirdrail
Best?????
best is yet to come--to site but a few of the most recent examples--
even the New York Times---and the National Geographic Magazine---
No right wing rags--have written that such things as solar activity
on the sun goes through phases of heating and cooling Still
Unanswered is what caused that mini-ice age to melt?

“BET DAP”

Since: Feb 09

GOOM BOWN

#29250 Aug 18, 2013
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>
International and national efforts to mitigate climate change are making little headway.

Are you part of the solution?
maybe because the majority of rational thinkers understand that a problem must be properly identified before a workable solution can be determined.

i haven't seen anyone conduct a study that would show what mitigating man made co2 would do to alter the climate. have you?

you could win a lot of friends and influence a lot more if you have that, one, dale!!

does that answer your question? if not, don't whine about it, okay?!
gcaveman1

Bay Springs, MS

#29251 Aug 18, 2013
Philliproy wrote:
<quoted text>
Opening the outer continental shelf to drilling would generate hundreds of thousands of new jobs, generate hundreds of billions of dollars in government revenue, and bring more oil to the world market, thereby lowering gas prices and reverse the decline of America. Federal bailouts of failing American "Clean Energy" firms (which Obama supported both as senator and president) reward inefficient and corrupt management, rob taxpayers, hurt smaller and more responsible private firms, exacerbate our budget problems, explode national debt, and destroy our US Dollar. Even more importantly, any bailout of such private industry is in direct violation of the constitution.
I don't think you could have packed more lies into one paragraph even with brain_dead's help.

Congress and the various states have restricted or banned drilling offshore. Talk to them.

Penn Central Railroad and Lockheed were bailed out during the Nixon administration.
Franklin Bank and New York City were bailed out during the Nixon administration.
Chrysler-1980
Savings and loans-1989
Airlines-2001
Bear Stearns, Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac, AIG, the auto industry, TARP, and Citigroup; all bailed out by Congress before Obama ever set foot in the White House.

Back to the books, boy, if you can read.
gcaveman1

Bay Springs, MS

#29252 Aug 18, 2013
ritedownthemiddle wrote:
<quoted text>LOL!!!
you can't get your facts straight to save your hide, son.
http://theenergycollective.com/josephromm/203...
you betray your country with your lack of knowledge on topics you're so committed to, saul.
Well thanks for the update, but as your link states, these "numbers are different than those reported by the Global Wind Energy Council, which came out last month".

That's OK, though...small change...just glad to see that you have now become an advocate of wind energy.

What about solar? Got any updated figures on that booming industry?

LOL
gcaveman1

Bay Springs, MS

#29253 Aug 18, 2013
Philliproy wrote:
Obama gave Solyndra $500,000,000 in taxpayer money and Solyndra shut its doors and laid off 1100 workers in August 2011 After Billions in Losses due to failure to make a solar product that works! If Europe wants to invest in more failure, let them do so and reap the losses, not American taxpayers. And, American military power is built on lots of cheap oil and nuclear power, not wimpy windmills. And, have you ever seen a windmill-powered Mercedes, for example? How many such autos were sold in Germany last year? Zero!
You really should do a lot more research on Germany and quit making a COMPLETE fool of yourself.
gcaveman1

Bay Springs, MS

#29254 Aug 18, 2013
gcaveman1 wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't think you could have packed more lies into one paragraph even with brain_dead's help.
Congress and the various states have restricted or banned drilling offshore. Talk to them.
Penn Central Railroad and Lockheed were bailed out during the Nixon administration.
Franklin Bank and New York City were bailed out during the Nixon administration.
Chrysler-1980
Savings and loans-1989
Airlines-2001
Bear Stearns, Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac, AIG, the auto industry, TARP, and Citigroup; all bailed out by Congress before Obama ever set foot in the White House.
Back to the books, boy, if you can read.
CORRECTION:

Franklin Bank and New York City were bailed out during the Ford administration.

“"Tanners Flat" U dummy”

Since: Jan 10

Location hidden

#29255 Aug 18, 2013
Philliproy wrote:
FAILURE is the name for those who invest in cheap energy:
Energy Conversion Devices: FAILURE – On February 14, 2012 Energy Conversion Devices, Inc. and its subsidiaries filed for bankruptcy
Abound Solar: FAILURE - Abound Solar received a $400 million loan guarantee from Barack Obama announced in June, 2012 that it would file for bankruptcy
SunPower: FAILURE – SunPower stopped producing solar cells last year at near bankruptcy restructured only with help of, get this, oil giant TOTAL who owns 60% stake. Irony! Still struggling…
Beacon Power: FAILURE – Beacon Power Corp filed for bankruptcy Oct 2011 just a year after Obama approved $43 million loan Government loan guarantee
Ecotality: FAILURE - ECOtality, a San Francisco green-tech company that never earned any money on the verge of bankruptcy after receiving roughly $115 million in two loan guarantees from Obama
WHY SHOULD AMERICAN TAXPAYERS INVEST MORE INTO FAILURE?
I'll answer your question.

Why invest???? Because investment brings returns on investment, it's really quite simple. Not investing means there are no rewards to reap. If you do not invest the planting and nurturing of a tomato plant you will likely not have any tomatoes to reap except through pure happenstance.....which you have had no active part in.

The highest cost in the creation of any product is energy, therefore not investing in cheap and renewable sources of energy has the net effect of being a hindrance to economic growth and job creation.......not to mention the pollution and negative effects from the reliance on dinosaur fuels.

The cost of war also goes into the price of a gallon of natural gas or oil.

The GWB admin was chocked full of oil and coal people who implemented their solution to the energy problem and we are in worse shape today because of it.

gcaveman1

Bay Springs, MS

#29256 Aug 18, 2013
ritedownthemiddle wrote:
<quoted text>LOL!!!
you can't get your facts straight to save your hide, son.
http://theenergycollective.com/josephromm/203...
you betray your country with your lack of knowledge on topics you're so committed to, saul.
Amory Lovins:
I recently wrote about—and debunked—the renewables “disinformation campaign” that spreads misinformed and falsely negative stories about the growth of renewable energy. A special focus of such disinformation has been reportage on Germany’s efficiency-and-renewables revolution. The impressive success so far of the German Energiewende (energy turnaround) is an important existence proof for the world, because Germany is cloudy, high-latitude, heavily industrialized, highly competitive (it rivals America’s merchandise exports with one-fourth its population), and the world’s fourth-biggest economy.
Perhaps because German success would therefore belie the supposed necessity of fossil-fuel and nuclear energy, some media regularly report the Energiewende’s failure or supposed impossibility. As Ihighlighted, Germany’s renewables revolution is in fact highly successful and strong as ever, but that hasn’t stopped three myths from gaining traction in the media: 1) Germany’s supposed turn back to coal, 2) how renewables undermine grid reliability, and 3) how renewables subsidies are cratering the German economy. None of those are true, and here’s why.
http://blog.rmi.org/separating_fact_from_fict...

“BET DAP”

Since: Feb 09

GOOM BOWN

#29257 Aug 18, 2013
gcaveman1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Amory Lovins:
I recently wrote about—and debunked—the renewables “disinformation campaign” that spreads misinformed and falsely negative stories about the growth of renewable energy. A special focus of such disinformation has been reportage on Germany’s efficiency-and-renewables revolution. The impressive success so far of the German Energiewende (energy turnaround) is an important existence proof for the world, because Germany is cloudy, high-latitude, heavily industrialized, highly competitive (it rivals America’s merchandise exports with one-fourth its population), and the world’s fourth-biggest economy.
Perhaps because German success would therefore belie the supposed necessity of fossil-fuel and nuclear energy, some media regularly report the Energiewende’s failure or supposed impossibility. As Ihighlighted, Germany’s renewables revolution is in fact highly successful and strong as ever, but that hasn’t stopped three myths from gaining traction in the media: 1) Germany’s supposed turn back to coal, 2) how renewables undermine grid reliability, and 3) how renewables subsidies are cratering the German economy. None of those are true, and here’s why.
http://blog.rmi.org/separating_fact_from_fict...
so......are you saying you supportthe rfs2 standards? are you a proponent of biodiesel and ethanol blended gasoline?
LessHypeMoreFact

Toronto, Canada

#29258 Aug 18, 2013
gcaveman1 wrote:
<quoted text>
You really should do a lot more research on Germany and quit making a COMPLETE fool of yourself.
Even his case of Solyndra is bogus. Two reasons. Even the private sector would have bet on the company, as it had a good product and idea. Only illegal and corrupt 'dumping' by China interfered.

The second is that the PROGRAM was a resounding success with at least 95% success. A much better record for 'venture capital' than the businesses generally make.
LessHypeMoreFact

Toronto, Canada

#29259 Aug 18, 2013
ritedownthemiddle wrote:
<quoted text>so......are you saying you supportthe rfs2 standards? are you a proponent of biodiesel and ethanol blended gasoline?
Read the reference dimwit. That is what he presented. The FACTS. YOU can then decide whether YOU support the standards or want to invest with an INFORMED decision (not likely!!)

“BET DAP”

Since: Feb 09

GOOM BOWN

#29260 Aug 18, 2013
LessHypeMoreFact wrote:
<quoted text>
Even his case of Solyndra is bogus. Two reasons. Even the private sector would have bet on the company, as it had a good product and idea. Only illegal and corrupt 'dumping' by China interfered.
The second is that the PROGRAM was a resounding success with at least 95% success. A much better record for 'venture capital' than the businesses generally make.
caveman's response was to me!! what case did i make about SOLYNDRA that was bogus?????

Cite the case i made or admit you were wrong.

LOL

“BET DAP”

Since: Feb 09

GOOM BOWN

#29261 Aug 18, 2013
LessHypeMoreFact wrote:
<quoted text>
Read the reference dimwit. That is what he presented. The FACTS. YOU can then decide whether YOU support the standards or want to invest with an INFORMED decision (not likely!!)
who's facts, son?

do you support rfs2, too???

i'd just like to get it all out there so we all know where we stand!!!

you don't have to play games, son. just state your beliefs.

LOL

“BET DAP”

Since: Feb 09

GOOM BOWN

#29262 Aug 18, 2013
okay....i get it!!! you people don't want to give your opinion about rfs because you supported it then, but you don't support it now?

bwwwaaaakkkk bwaaak bwaaak

“BET DAP”

Since: Feb 09

GOOM BOWN

#29263 Aug 18, 2013
judge me. LMAO!!! that's all you spineless ninnies can do when asked a direct question!!!

LMAO@UA

“BET DAP”

Since: Feb 09

GOOM BOWN

#29264 Aug 18, 2013
i wish you all were as smart as you thought you were. then...this country and economy might have a fighting chance.
you're all killing your grand children's future.....not co2.
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#29265 Aug 18, 2013
gcaveman1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Amory Lovins:
I recently wrote about—and debunked—the renewables “disinformation campaign” that spreads misinformed and falsely negative stories about the growth of renewable energy. A special focus of such disinformation has been reportage on Germany’s efficiency-and-renewables revolution. The impressive success so far of the German Energiewende (energy turnaround) is an important existence proof for the world, because Germany is cloudy, high-latitude, heavily industrialized, highly competitive (it rivals America’s merchandise exports with one-fourth its population), and the world’s fourth-biggest economy.
Perhaps because German success would therefore belie the supposed necessity of fossil-fuel and nuclear energy, some media regularly report the Energiewende’s failure or supposed impossibility. As Ihighlighted, Germany’s renewables revolution is in fact highly successful and strong as ever, but that hasn’t stopped three myths from gaining traction in the media: 1) Germany’s supposed turn back to coal, 2) how renewables undermine grid reliability, and 3) how renewables subsidies are cratering the German economy. None of those are true, and here’s why.
http://blog.rmi.org/separating_fact_from_fict...
Thanks for bringing it here.

I'm glad that Mr Lovins has seen the light re nuclear, again:

Germany’s renewable growth has more than offset nuclear shutdowns while efficiency has flattened or decreased electricity demand.
gcaveman1

Bay Springs, MS

#29267 Aug 18, 2013
ritedownthemiddle wrote:
<quoted text>so......are you saying you supportthe rfs2 standards? are you a proponent of biodiesel and ethanol blended gasoline?
I don't know. What's rfs2 standards?

Not particularly.

I have a day job, sometimes, a house to finish, and a water leak to track down. My specialty is construction, not transportation.
LessHypeMoreFact

Toronto, Canada

#29269 Aug 18, 2013
ritedownthemiddle wrote:
<quoted text>who's facts, son?
There is only one set of real facts. And a lot of ignorance by those, who, like you, think they can make them up. Your 'facts' will never stand up to scrutiny the way that science will.

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