Global warming 'undeniable,' scientis...

Global warming 'undeniable,' scientists say

There are 35607 comments on the TwinCities.com story from Jul 29, 2010, titled Global warming 'undeniable,' scientists say. In it, TwinCities.com reports that:

Scientists from around the world are providing even more evidence of global warming, one day after President Barack Obama renewed his call for climate legislation.

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litesong

Lynnwood, WA

#25211 Apr 20, 2013
drink the kkk-aid wrote:
Subtract 40 molecules of CO2 from the rest of the 999,960 remaining molecules of air.
Since almost 99% of the atmosphere is comprised of non-GHG gases, 40 molecules of CO2 must be removed from less than 10,000 GHG molecules. Since CO2 naturally & slowly reduces itself in the atmosphere, the easiest way to reduce CO2 in the atmosphere, is to reduce man-made CO2 pumped into the atmosphere.
gcaveman1

Bay Springs, MS

#25212 Apr 20, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>Sea levels rise and fall, trends don't tell us anything about right now and the future, just about the past. Recent geological trends show sea levels slowly rising; don't panic. The Dutch have recovered more land than they've lost.
Climate change is real, climate change mitigation is a hoax and man made catastrophic climate change alarmism is pseudoscience. That's objectively true because there are no experimental tests for climate change mitigation. The verifiable qualities of prescription drugs are experimentally tested but climate quackery of restricting CO2 emissions or funding carbon sinks has never had that degree of scrutiny.
Trends don't tell us anything about right now and the future? Well, that'll be news to the rest of the world. If you are right and the rest of the world is so wrong, you're in line for a Nobel, dude.

Did you ever tell anyone what's causing this climate change? No, because then your mitigation argument would fall apart. But you don't have an argument anyway.

The earth is a lot bigger than a pill, you unmitigated idiot.
Dont drink the koolaid

Eden Prairie, MN

#25213 Apr 20, 2013
litesong wrote:
<quoted text>
Since almost 99% of the atmosphere is comprised of non-GHG gases, 40 molecules of CO2 must be removed from less than 10,000 GHG molecules. Since CO2 naturally & slowly reduces itself in the atmosphere, the easiest way to reduce CO2 in the atmosphere, is to reduce man-made CO2 pumped into the atmosphere.
Assuming the current level of atmospheric CO2 is 390ppm how many molecules did man put into the air... 4, 14, perhaps 40? More than that?
-koolaid

Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#25214 Apr 21, 2013
Dont drink the koolaid wrote:
<quoted text>
Assuming the current level of atmospheric CO2 is 390ppm how many molecules did man put into the air... 4, 14, perhaps 40? More than that?
-koolaid
40% gramps.

.4x390=156ppm.

“CO2 is Gaseous Love”

Since: Dec 08

Home, sweet home.

#25215 Apr 21, 2013
gcaveman1 wrote:
Trends don't tell us anything about right now and the future? Well, that'll be news to the rest of the world.
Not really, trends show whatever you want, depending on the start and end point.

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gcaveman1 wrote:
If you are right and the rest of the world is so wrong, you're in line for a Nobel, dude.
Not really:
[Article] The Fallacies of Trend Extrapolation and Reliance Upon Exogenous Causality
2009, ECONOMY, FINANCIAL MARKETS, RESEARCH, SOCIONOMICS

Conventional models of social causality stand in contrast to the socionomic perspective. Robert Prechter explained the difference in the May and June 2004 issues of the Elliott Wave Theorist. When most people forecast cultural trends, they default to a Newtonian physics paradigm: An object in motion tends to remain in motion unless acted upon by an outside force. An intuitive understanding of this law, Prechter observed, is a useful product of evolution and helps us handle physical objects with ease. But cultural trends are not physical entities.

Economists who view cultural trends like physical objects in motion perpetuate two fallacies.

1) They extrapolate the current trend into the future.
2) They believe an event must happen to change the trend’s direction....

Read more: http://www.socionomics.net/2009/09/the-fallac...

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gcaveman1 wrote:
Did you ever tell anyone what's causing this climate change? No, because then your mitigation argument would fall apart. But you don't have an argument anyway.
I don't know what causes climate change, it always changes and I understand there's nothing I can do about it. I've never seen a compelling experimental test for climate change mitigation, have you?

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gcaveman1 wrote:
The earth is a lot bigger than a pill, you unmitigated idiot.
And climate is the largest, most chaotic and complex system on Earth. We can't mitigate climate change; if we could there would be a demonstration showing a man made global climate change. Don't buy a pig in a poke.
Dont drink the koolaid

Eden Prairie, MN

#25216 Apr 21, 2013
Fair Game wrote:
<quoted text>
40% gramps.
.4x390=156ppm.
Man is responsible for 156ppm of all the CO2 in he air... is that correct?
How much of that CO2 should be removed so the Earth will no longer be at risk from Catastrophic Climate
Change?
Bushwhacker

Seattle, WA

#25217 Apr 21, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>Not really, trends show whatever you want, depending on the start and end point.

<quoted text>I don't know what causes climate change, it always changes and I understand there's nothing I can do about it. I've never seen a compelling experimental test for climate change mitigation, have you?
If trends show what you want, you're dishonest...BIG SURPRISE !!!

You seem to love telling folks you want an experiment...DO IT, nanny state LOSER !!!
gcaveman1

Bay Springs, MS

#25218 Apr 21, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>Not really, trends show whatever you want, depending on the start and end point.

And that backs your conspiracy theories.

<quoted text>Not really:
[Article] The Fallacies of Trend Extrapolation and Reliance Upon Exogenous Causality
2009, ECONOMY, FINANCIAL MARKETS, RESEARCH, SOCIONOMICS
Conventional models of social causality stand in contrast to the socionomic perspective. Robert Prechter explained the difference in the May and June 2004 issues of the Elliott Wave Theorist. When most people forecast cultural trends, they default to a Newtonian physics paradigm: An object in motion tends to remain in motion unless acted upon by an outside force. An intuitive understanding of this law, Prechter observed, is a useful product of evolution and helps us handle physical objects with ease. But cultural trends are not physical entities.
Economists who view cultural trends like physical objects in motion perpetuate two fallacies.
1) They extrapolate the current trend into the future.
2) They believe an event must happen to change the trend’s direction....
Read more: http://www.socionomics.net/2009/09/the-fallac...
.

What do cultural trends have to do with what I said? I was referring to all trends, especially scientific. But yoou wouldn't know anything about that.

<quoted text>I don't know....

BINGO!

<quoted text>And climate is the largest, most chaotic and complex system on Earth. We can't mitigate climate change; if we could there would be a demonstration showing a man made global climate change. Don't buy a pig in a poke.
Tell us what this demonstration would look like and we'll try and do it for you.

“CO2 is Gaseous Love”

Since: Dec 08

Home, sweet home.

#25219 Apr 21, 2013
An atmospheric experiment testing man's CO2 emissions on overall atmospheric composition. Either add or remove a known amount of greenhouse gas then measure a change in global climate temperature or even merely atmospheric composition. That would be a start.

What have you got? What's the most compelling experiment you've found for climate change mitigation?
Bushwhacker

Seattle, WA

#25220 Apr 21, 2013
Go ahead.... you certainly aren't asking another American to do something for you for free, right welfare fool ???
litesong

Lynnwood, WA

#25222 Apr 21, 2013
[QUOTE who="lyin' brian"]Don't buy a pig in a poke.[/QUOTE]

Since they are unworthy of owning, don't buy slimy steenking filthy vile reprobate rooting(& rotting) racist pukey proud pigisms. Poke 'em.

“CO2 is Gaseous Love”

Since: Dec 08

Home, sweet home.

#25223 Apr 21, 2013
Bushwhacker wrote:
Go ahead.... you certainly aren't asking another American to do something for you for free, right welfare fool ???
I'm not advocating climate change mitigation or warning of catastrophic man made global climate change; I don't have to do anything. I'm just observing, no experimental tests means climate change mitigation is a hoax.
Bushwacker

Seattle, WA

#25224 Apr 21, 2013
Poor Brain Gone, welfare right winger....

You seem to love telling folks you want an experiment...DO IT, nanny state LOSER !!!

No, you're expressing an opinion and saying lack of proof is proof, while we have observable data and you have nothing.

Nothing you present poorly, at that.
Bushwacked

Minneapolis, MN

#25225 Apr 21, 2013
Bushwacker wrote:
Poor Brain Gone, welfare right winger....
You seem to love telling folks you want an experiment...DO IT, nanny state LOSER !!!
No, you're expressing an opinion and saying lack of proof is proof, while we have observable data and you have nothing.
Nothing you present poorly, at that.
Gay Slewsie speaks. And everyone laughs at her.

“Come Home America!”

Since: Nov 11

Claymont, Delaware 19809

#25226 Apr 21, 2013
www.yidio.com/movie/Carbon-Nation “Desertification is a fancy word for land that is turning to desert,” begins Allan Savory in this quietly powerful talk. And it's happening to about two-thirds of the world’s grasslands, accelerating climate change and causing traditional grazing societies to descend into social chaos. Savory has devoted his life to stopping it. He now believes -- and his work so far shows -- that a surprising factor can protect grasslands and even reclaim degraded land that was once desert. " http://www.ted.com/talks/allan_savory_how_to_...
Bushwacker

Seattle, WA

#25227 Apr 21, 2013
You wish I were gay, BOTTOM !!!

Might be time to "tip" them to this nut-so ! LMAOROFU~! Geez, what a complete loser POS....

No thanks, you made up a story and you're not man enough to STFU !!!
Bushwacked

Minneapolis, MN

#25228 Apr 21, 2013
Gay Slewsie needs to take more meds.
Kyle

United States

#25229 Apr 21, 2013
Dont drink the koolaid wrote:
<quoted text>
Assuming the current level of atmospheric CO2 is 390ppm how many molecules did man put into the air... 4, 14, perhaps 40? More than that?
-koolaid
I believe current level is 393. Absent human activity, it would be ~280. 393 - 280 = 113.

And your point (besides the one on your head) is ...?
Kyle

Rensselaer, IN

#25230 Apr 21, 2013
Fair Game wrote:
<quoted text>
40% gramps.
.4x390=156ppm.
41% increase from the 280 baseline = 113ppm
Kyle

Rensselaer, IN

#25231 Apr 21, 2013
Dont drink the koolaid wrote:
<quoted text>
Hope this completely.clarifies (that means 'make clear') the argument: It is time for Dr. James Hansen, lead scientist of NASA's GISS (retired), to save the planet from The CO2 Caused Catastrophic Climate Change Crisis by doing what every science academy in the world recommends:
Subtract 40 molecules of CO2 from the rest of the 999,960 remaining molecules of air.
Try again, denier scum. Explain the significance - and appropriateness - of comparing 40 with a million instead of 113 with 280. Make it make sense. This should be good ;o)

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