Global warming 'undeniable,' scientis...

Global warming 'undeniable,' scientists say

There are 34247 comments on the TwinCities.com story from Jul 29, 2010, titled Global warming 'undeniable,' scientists say. In it, TwinCities.com reports that:

Scientists from around the world are providing even more evidence of global warming, one day after President Barack Obama renewed his call for climate legislation.

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Kyle

Knox, IN

#25111 Apr 14, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>Mammals evolved when CO2 levels were much higher than today. We are living in a CO2 famine atmosphere.
Mother nature has adapted to our CO2 emissions; she likes it when we use fossil fuel.
The mammals did so over MILLIONS of years, whereas the warming from returning C to the atmosphere 100,000 times faster than it came out means the warming is happening over mere decades. Tell me, RETARDED ONE, how fast do you think evolution can happen? Remember that the primary events in the evolutionary record are EXTINCTIONS. I forgot. You can't really believe in evolution because it's mostly an historical science. They don't satisfy your 5th grade conception of science.

And don't forget - "I n case you missed it, Lyin' Brian has just copped to the fact of CO2 being a critical GHG for regulating Earth's climate. Therefore, he has copped to the fact that increasing it 41%(now) or 100%(in decades) will regulate climate at a drastically different state."
Kyle

Knox, IN

#25112 Apr 14, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>Then watch where you put your lips; CO2 at atmospheric levels is perfectly safe, it doesn't burn lungs. Don't you drink carbonated beverages, beer or sparkling wine?
Lyin' Brian deliberately appears RETARDED enough to confuse a reference to the "burning" of the GHE with oxidation, prooving yet again that science deniers are too wedded to dogmatic beliefs - or fat paychecks - to be capable of rational discourse.

And don't forget - "I n case you missed it, Lyin' Brian has just copped to the fact of CO2 being a critical GHG for regulating Earth's climate. Therefore, he has copped to the fact that increasing it 41%(now) or 100%(in decades) will regulate climate at a drastically different state."
Kyle

Knox, IN

#25113 Apr 14, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>Fossil fuel goes into the furnace, engine cylinder or turbine, CO2 goes into the air. CO2 doesn't burn, it's used in fire extinguishers.
Twice in a row - " Lyin' Brian deliberately appears RETARDED enough to confuse a reference to the "burning" of the GHE with oxidation, prooving yet again that science deniers are too wedded to dogmatic beliefs - or fat paychecks - to be capable of rational discourse."

And don't forget - "In case you missed it, Lyin' Brian has just copped to the fact of CO2 being a critical GHG for regulating Earth's climate. Therefore, he has copped to the fact that increasing it 41%(now) or 100%(in decades) will regulate climate at a drastically different state."
Kyle

Knox, IN

#25114 Apr 14, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
Chronic exposure to CO2 at levels much higher than the atmosphere is benign. Instead of distracting people about CO2 emissions, let's worry about real pollutants. We can't live without CO2 so we'd best learn to live with it.
Unable to make anything remotely resembling a rational argument, Lyin' Brian has again been willing to appear RETARDED by confusing the levels of CO2 required to adversely affect blood chemistry with the amount required to make large climate changes via the GHE.

And don't forget that he's already conceded on the actual subject at hand - "In case you missed it, Lyin' Brian has just copped to the fact of CO2 being a critical GHG for regulating Earth's climate. Therefore, he has copped to the fact that increasing it 41%(now) or 100%(in decades) will regulate climate at a drastically different state."
Kyle

Knox, IN

#25115 Apr 14, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
CO2 isn't a pollutant in the atmosphere, not harmful or toxic but essential for life.
Water vapor is a greenhouse gas too.
Twice MORE - also in succession - " Lyin' Brian deliberately appears RETARDED enough to confuse a reference to the "burning" of the GHE with oxidation, prooving yet again that science deniers are too wedded to dogmatic beliefs - or fat paychecks - to be capable of rational discourse.

And don't forget - "In case you missed it, Lyin' Brian has just copped to the fact of CO2 being a critical GHG for regulating Earth's climate. Therefore, he has copped to the fact that increasing it 41%(now) or 100%(in decades) will regulate climate at a drastically different state."

And also, lest anyone following is as RETARDED as Lyin' Brian, recall that he's being utterly intellectually dishonest by continuing here at all. Why? Because he has repeatedly conceded that each of his lies are lies, every one of his arguments fallacious, and the correctness of the scientific findings
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#25116 Apr 14, 2013
Psst .. CO2 is aka the Earth's thermostat.

“I Luv Carbon Dioxide”

Since: Dec 08

Home, sweet home.

#25119 Apr 14, 2013
We have different goals, I say learn about your climate, live with it or move someplace better, quit whining about mitigating climate unless you can prove it would help.

This is where we differ. I like demonstrations, tests, trials or experiments, alarmists take their science on faith in consensus.

“I Luv Carbon Dioxide”

Since: Dec 08

Home, sweet home.

#25120 Apr 14, 2013
Remember when they tried to mitigate evolution and brought us eugenics? Why would you fall for the same lies again?
Bushwhacker

Seattle, WA

#25121 Apr 14, 2013
Being dumb has benefits, right Brain Gone ??
Chronic exposure to airborne pollutants from gasoline and vehicle emissions contributes to severe asthma attacks and other lung-related health problems, as well as heart disease, stroke, diabetes, cancer and premature births. It’s also harmful to anyone who simply enjoys being outside.
Guess, it's fortunate blather here is your hobby.
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#25122 Apr 14, 2013
Bushwhacker wrote:
Being dumb has benefits, right Brain Gone ??

Chronic exposure to airborne pollutants from gasoline and vehicle emissions contributes to severe asthma attacks and other lung-related health problems, as well as heart disease, stroke, diabetes, cancer and premature births. It’s also harmful to anyone who simply enjoys being outside.

Guess, it's fortunate blather here is your hobby.
Well, this is b_gone's:

There is no climate thermostat; climate is chaotic. We can't dial it back without the danger of disaster tipping the balance. We won't jeopardize climate without experiments showing the data

There's no dial we can turn, else it would have been tried and tuned. Our CO2 emissions are perfect, they fit without a hitch. Other noxious combustion byproducts might be problems but not carbon dioxide.

Don't panic.

http://www.topix.com/forum/news/global-warmin...

P.S. b_gone is at large.
Kyle

Knox, IN

#25123 Apr 14, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
We have different goals, I say learn about your climate, live with it or move someplace better, quit whining about mitigating climate unless you can prove it would help.
This is where we differ. I like demonstrations, tests, trials or experiments, alarmists take their science on faith in consensus.
YOU "proved" it would help when you admitted that CO2 is a major climate driver. Do I need to post your own words back to you? You know, the ones that claim that CO2 - mere trace gas that it is (snicker)- is critical because of the warming effect that it produces? Hmmm?

As I've pointed out before - and you DISHONESTLY ignored - if it's critical to keep us warm, increasing it by 41%- and soon 100%- will keep us too warm - critically.

And as we've also pointed out to you - but you either ignore or give atrociously illogical responses - the proof, which YOU ADMIT, that CO2 is warming us is also proof that mitigation of CO2 would mitigate warming, UNLESS YOU'RE POSITING AN EXCEPTION TO THE LAWS OF CAUSE AND EFFECT.

I've also made that last point before, but you;re paid to well by Exxon to respond with any intellectual honesty whatsoever.
Kyle

Knox, IN

#25124 Apr 14, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
Remember when they tried to mitigate evolution and brought us eugenics? Why would you fall for the same lies again?
Obviously, Lyin' Brian is having trouble with the definition of "mitigate", as well as pulling the creatard trick of equating the misnomer social Darwinism with the facts of biological evolution.

He's also quite possibly tossing a bone to the creatards because they represent the climate denier base.

GTFA, Lyin' Brian; you conceded at least 100 times and you're embarrassing yourself and your employer's cause.
LIbEralS

Saint Paul, MN

#25125 Apr 16, 2013
Climate scientists struggle to explain warming slowdown:
Often focused on century-long trends, most climate models failed to predict that the temperature rise would slow, starting around 2000...

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/04/16/us-...

“I Luv Carbon Dioxide”

Since: Dec 08

Home, sweet home.

#25126 Apr 16, 2013
Kyle wrote:
YOU "proved" it would help when you admitted that CO2 is a major climate driver.
I wrote, CO2 is a climate driver, I don't know if it's significant or which way it drives climate, but CO2 is a climate force. Some O3 is a greenhouse gas too; don't panic. There are many climate drivers; I never wrote "CO2 is a major climate driver." That was Kyle, not me. I admitted CO2 is a greenhouse gas, like all the others.

Water vapor is a greenhouse gas and a significant climate driver. Water moves heat from the equator where the sunlight falls straight down to the poles where sunlight falls by. Lattitude drives climate, along with oceans, mountain ranges and continental plains are major climate drivers, CO2 not so much.

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Kyle wrote:
Do I need to post your own words back to you?
Please show me where I qualified a climate force as "major", please.

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Kyle wrote:
You know, the ones that claim that CO2 - mere trace gas that it is (snicker)- is critical because of the warming effect that it produces? Hmmm?
Along with all the other greenhouse gases, sure. If AGW theory is true then we are already mitigating climate against the known catastrophe of global cooling; the Ice age scenario. Nobody has seen a man made global climate change catastrophe, and I'm scouting front row tickets. This should be awesome!

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Kyle wrote:
As I've pointed out before - and you DISHONESTLY ignored - if it's critical to keep us warm, increasing it by 41%- and soon 100%- will keep us too warm - critically.
And as we've also pointed out to you - but you either ignore or give atrociously illogical responses - the proof, which YOU ADMIT, that CO2 is warming us is also proof that mitigation of CO2 would mitigate warming,
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Kyle wrote:
UNLESS YOU'RE POSITING AN EXCEPTION TO THE LAWS OF CAUSE AND EFFECT.
We'd never know how cause and effect applies to global climate unless we see experimental tests. Please post the most compelling experiment you've found for climate change mitigation. So far, I'm not sold.

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Kyle wrote:
I've also made that last point before, but you;re paid to well by Exxon to respond with any intellectual honesty whatsoever.
I don't even own Exxon stock or endorse them, I like BP, PTR, CLMT, HFC, OKE and BTE, I'm long on all of them.

Those companies I endorse, Kyle seems impressed with Exxon. XOM traded between $77.13 and $93.67 this year. Maybe he likes the price?

“I Luv Carbon Dioxide”

Since: Dec 08

Home, sweet home.

#25127 Apr 16, 2013
Kyle wrote:
Obviously, Lyin' Brian is having trouble with the definition of "mitigate", as well as pulling the creatard trick of equating the misnomer social Darwinism with the facts of biological evolution.
I'm calling eugenics, evolutionary mitigation. Then comparing that to climate change mitigation. I'm especially concerned about carbon taxes and regulations.

Deregulation mitigates economic stagnation. So does cutting taxes. Too bad, we can't afford to cut taxes.

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Kyle wrote:
He's also quite possibly tossing a bone to the creatards because they represent the climate denier base.
Creationism has more in common with man made global climate change catastrophe, then Kyle wants to admit. They both believe in an end of world event and make policy decisions based on that belief. Fascinating!

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Kyle wrote:
GTFA, Lyin' Brian; you conceded at least 100 times and you're embarrassing yourself and your employer's cause.
Every customer, vendor, truck driver, investor and employee profits from fossil fuel, it brings billions in taxes to our governments. The tax share is massive, it dominates the markets. We should deregulate and lower taxes on most markets to encourage economic growth.
litesong

Lynnwood, WA

#25128 Apr 16, 2013
liberals reign wrote:
Climate scientists struggle to explain warming slowdown:
toxic topix AGW deniers cling to the lower level of the Solar TSI, as if the solar irradiation will never rise again. But science shows the sun will continue warming in millennia ahead. But while conservative re-pubic-lick-uns in Minnesota cling to every Arctic cold front that AGW drives down from the NP, as their mantra, they fail to understand their snowfall is a gift from the warming Arctic energy, that more vigorously drives Arctic weather to the south.
Jaimie

Madison, WI

#25131 Apr 16, 2013
good research: which STAR conselation is YOUR OWN soul apart of, A star consolation is all YOUR Past lives.

IM DRACO consellation, I had 2 smaller concellations that were maliscious within.

If you make a smaller model and condition the lighting as the consellation passes sun and moon, WHICH IT HAS ITS OWN SUN AND but we see 2. You can see in shadow and lighting art several real formations, I am the progectory, as long as the light passes or my shadow stays formed I fight in space. WEHen the sun and moon reflections do not pass thru I fizzle out and turn to the next thing that it creates. MY image as Jaimie Drews in Madison Wisc not the online hooker or professor from other states. BUt even my current image is in the light and shadow effects, On any moment of the day as my human formation I do have capabilites of all those in creation form the reflective images in my consellation, but only upon apperition times, it is not a hold. So not practiced or beckoned, I do have a life too, and with that in mind, police and courts is fine when someone obstructs me or my children no time for others war.
Jaimie

Madison, WI

#25132 Apr 16, 2013
LIbEralS wrote:
<quoted text>
Are you saying that Reuters isn't a valid source, or are you shooting the messenger?
Frank Reuter took my head off my spine in 1985, Now as a 44 year old women they are preparing surgical procedure to put it back on.
litesong

Lynnwood, WA

#25133 Apr 16, 2013
litesong wrote:
toxic topix AGW deniers cling to the lower level of the Solar TSI, as if the solar irradiation will never rise again. But science shows the sun will continue warming in millennia ahead. But while conservative re-pubic-lick-uns in Minnesota cling to every Arctic cold front that AGW drives down from the NP, as their mantra, they fail to understand their snowfall is a gift from the warming Arctic energy, that more vigorously drives Arctic weather to the south.
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'liberals reign' roots:
Are you saying that Reuters isn't a valid source, or are you shooting the messenger?
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litesong wrote:

What I say is that you don't know science, studied science or ever distinguished yourself in science.

Science deals in science, which is more complex than one article, & toxic topix AGW denier willful & purposeful mis-interpretation of articles.

Since: Jan 13

Location hidden

#25134 Apr 16, 2013
LIbEralS wrote:
<quoted text>
Are you saying that Reuters isn't a valid source, or are you shooting the messenger?
LIES-

Neither. Actually, we SHOULD be cooling now given the deep solar minimum in 2009 (& the expected long solar cycle now, before cycling back to solar max in the 2020s), Chinese pollution releasing reflective aerosols, & La Niña conditions. But we're not cooling; at MOST we're continuing to warm, but at less statistically significant rates.

The sun & El Niño WILL cycle back, & warming will be faster than ever. The Chinese are preparing to pass anti-pollution laws; their party leaders have to try to breathe the air in Beijing also, after all. Aerosols will decline & warming will speed up, just like what happened to us in the 1970s after we passed anti-pollution laws.

So the people who are arguing now that "warming has stopped" are just deluding themselves, & trying to delude the rest of us. It will only work on the gullible.

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