Global warming 'undeniable,' scientis...

Global warming 'undeniable,' scientists say

There are 34463 comments on the TwinCities.com story from Jul 29, 2010, titled Global warming 'undeniable,' scientists say. In it, TwinCities.com reports that:

Scientists from around the world are providing even more evidence of global warming, one day after President Barack Obama renewed his call for climate legislation.

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litesong

Lynnwood, WA

#25069 Apr 10, 2013
[QUOTE who="lyin' brian"] Greenland's not melting. I've seen it myself[/QUOTE]

From 36,000 feet with cloud cover, but no equipment(not even binoculars?), you're not making scientific observations. That's OK. You're not a scientist. But you are a slimy steenking filthy vile reprobate rooting(& rotting) racist pukey proud pig AND 4-time alleged & 4-time proud threatener.

Your erroneous post matches your errors of 1 million TIMES, 1000 TIMES, 3000 TIMES, & 73 million TIMES......... only more so. Over 2.5 trillion tons are missing from Greenland in the last 10 years.......
litesong

Lynnwood, WA

#25070 Apr 10, 2013
When dirtling, earthling has no brain,'eart hling(alien has no affinity for Earth)' was around,'lyin' brian), with its errors of as much as 1 million TIMES, was small pototoes to dirtling's error of 500 million TIMES. Jealous,'lyin' brian' then popped an error of 73 million TIMES. Still not as great as dirtling's 500 million TIMES, but 'lyin' brian' gave a good effort.

But now, with dirtling gone(6 months?),'lyin' brian' dumps an error of 2.5+ trillion TIMES,~35,000 TIMES more than its error of 73 million times. I knew that 'lyin' brian' could beat dirtling...... & dirtling never got its hi skule DEE-plooomaa.

Very good,'lyin' brian'...... you live up to your name,'lyin' brian'. I'm glad I adopted it from Kyle.

“I Luv Carbon Dioxide”

Since: Dec 08

Home, sweet home.

#25071 Apr 11, 2013
Easy pickings, ask for experimental tests and see what shakes out. Keep alert, the mob gets unruly...

“I Luv Carbon Dioxide”

Since: Dec 08

Home, sweet home.

#25072 Apr 11, 2013
Look at Kyle's experiments; climate sensitivity to CO2 means doubling it in the atmosphere and temperatures rise less than 1°C, maybe much less.

Thanks again for posting quantitative experimental evidence. I feel better now.
Bushwhacker

Seattle, WA

#25073 Apr 11, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>"excess GHG's are man's doing" What's that mean, "pollution is man made"? We are part of nature, our CO2 emissions is reemission of solar powered fossil carbon fuel. I don't think CO2 is a problem, there are other molecules that are problems, CO2 is life.
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<quoted text>That's just argument to authority, another logical fallacy. Why not cite a compelling experimental test if you want, or we could discuss one previously posted.
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<quoted text>CO2 is in the upper atmosphere too, not as much but more thanks to our CO2 emissions. The upper atmosphere is supposed to warm because of greenhouse warming, but the models are wrong.
Because there are no experimental tests.
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<quoted text>A new carbon tax would harm our economy and insult our intelligence.
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<quoted text>And more of it would be better than less. It's good to light your houselamp, warm your home, cool your perishables, transport goods and cook your food with fossil fuel, dependable and inexpensive.
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<quoted text>Climate always changes; don't panic.
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<quoted text>I'll not deny +20 degree changes, or less. Climate always changes. Does it mean man made CO2 is the cause? No, there's no experimental data.
Sure, burning is "natural", all living creatures destroy chemicals to exist.. Poor Brain Gone, when you get to China, they'll destroy you for having no value...
Kyle

Kendallville, IN

#25074 Apr 11, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>The upper atmosphere is supposed to warm because of greenhouse warming, but the models are wrong.
You've read the LIE. Now read the SCIENCE:

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"The sky IS falling"

— gavin @ 26 November 2006

A timely perspective article in Science this week addresses the issues of upper atmosphere change.‘Upper’ atmosphere here is the stratosphere up to the ionosphere (~20 to 300 km). Laštovi&#269;ka et al point out that cooling trends are exactly as predicted by increasing greenhouse gas trends, and that the increase in density that this implies is causing various ionspheric layers to ‘fall’. This was highlighted a few years back by Jarvis et al (1998) and in New Scientist in 1999 (and I apologise for stealing their headline!).

The changes in the figure are related to the cooling seen in the lower stratospheric MSU-4 records (UAH or RSS), but the changes there (~ 15-20 km) are predominantly due to ozone depletion. The higher up one goes, the more important the CO2 related cooling is. It’s interesting to note that significant solar forcing would have exactly the opposite effect (it would cause a warming)– yet another reason to doubt that solar forcing is a significant factor in recent decades.

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Google any unique phrase, then follow the links to the peer-reviewed SCIENCE. Lyin' Brian's concession is accepted.
Kyle

Kendallville, IN

#25075 Apr 11, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>Does it mean man made CO2 is the cause? No, there's no experimental data.
Just proven wrong by real SCIENCE.

I accept Lyin' Brian's concession.
Kyle

Kendallville, IN

#25076 Apr 11, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>We are part of nature, our CO2 emissions is reemission of solar powered fossil carbon fuel.
You've read the LIE. Now read the SCIENCE. Is he narrowly correct? Yes. Is it an argument for our CO2 emissions being harmless because they're "natural"? Of course not; quite the opposite:

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The Carboniferous Period occurred from about 360 to 286 million years ago. At the time, the land was covered with swamps filled with huge trees, ferns and other large leafy plants. The water and seas were filled with algae. Some deposits of coal were deposited during the late Cretaceous Period (90-65 million years ago), but the main deposits of fossil fuels are from the Carboniferous Period.

Most commercially important petroluem deposits formed from organic materials laid down in shallow seas during two periods approximately 160 million and 90 million years ago, each lasting several million years.

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If we approximate the time period over which solar energy was stored in the form of organic molecules that are now fossil fuels at 100 million years (conservative), and that we are currently releasing this energy (and converting the C to CO2 in the process) at a rate that would consume all of the original fossil fuel reserves in 1000 yrs (conservative), then we are (conservatively) releasing C into the atmosphere 100,000 times faster than it was removed.

An analogy - throughout a 70 yr lifespan, a person will receive a large dose of natural radiation from radioactive elements in nature, solar radiation, and cosmic rays. Therefore, there's no problem with subjecting a person to 14,286 times as much radiation over their lifetime or, alternatively, subjecting them to the same amount of radiation in less than 43 hours.

That's what Lyin' Brian would have you believe - if you were RETARDED enough.
Kyle

Kendallville, IN

#25077 Apr 11, 2013
Correction: <43 hours should have been 6 hrs, 8mins, and 10secs.
Kyle

Kendallville, IN

#25078 Apr 11, 2013
Kyle: "If that's not enough for you, consider that the upper atmosphere contracts when it cools far more than the dense lower atmosphere expands as it warms. Thus the limits of the atmosphere have contracted closer to the Earth - a LOT. Easily measurable. In fact, it's been taken into account when predicting the decay of satellite orbits."

Lyin' Brian: "A new carbon tax would harm our economy and insult our intelligence."

A complete non sequitur, a dodge, and a concession.
Kyle

Kendallville, IN

#25079 Apr 11, 2013
Kyle: "Just for overkill that only Lyin' Brian would DENY, here's three more simple ways that we know the warming is caused by the GHE:

Climate science (and the common sense stemming from the basic intuitive physics of a moderately intelligent child) tells us that GHE warming would be greater at night, in the winter, and near the poles."

Lyin' Brian: "And more of it would be better than less. It's good to light your houselamp, warm your home, cool your perishables, transport goods and cook your food with fossil fuel, dependable and inexpensive."

Another complete non sequitur, dodge, and concession.
Kyle

Kendallville, IN

#25080 Apr 11, 2013
Kyle: "All three are in evidence in spades. The fractions of a degree of globalized anomalies make it easier for denier scum and dumb people to dismiss the science. However, temps near the poles in mid-winter (whihc is also middle of the night when above the Arctic circle) are many degrees warmer. I read recently that such a temperature from an island weather station shows a 10.7degF increase."

Lyin' Brian: "Climate always changes; don't panic."

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Kyle: "So, Lyin' Brian, how are you going to DENY the logic above? how are you going to DENY 10+ degree changes? Hmmm?"

Lyin' Brian: "I'll not deny +20 degree changes, or less. Climate always changes."

Two repetitions of RETARDED denier fallacious argument #1 which has been refuted several times on this thread alone. Just two more dodges; two more concessions.

Lyin' Brian: "Does it mean man made CO2 is the cause? No, there's no experimental data."

Another repetition of what has become his mantra, even thoughit's been refuted several times on this thread and even though he refuses to answer questions that reveal the patent absurdity of this 5th grade level of science understanding. Just one more dodge; one more concession.
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#25081 Apr 11, 2013
b_gone must be drinking a lot of beer and crying ...
Kiwi

New Zealand

#25082 Apr 11, 2013
THIS IS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE,I WILL EXPLAIN.
SLOW DOWN AND THINK.
Its like this,Planets and moons are wound up from their primaries radiation (belts,rings)
Planets from the sun and moons from their planets.
As a planet is made it starts rotating the sun.
As a planet gets older it starts travelling further and further away from the sun as it rotates .
As a planet gets older it starts tilting its south pole toward the sun.Mercury -2 degress,Venus 3 earth 23.5 mar 25 etc.
if you want to know where earth is heading look at mars we will be rotating on mars plane one day and mars further out.Mars atmosphere at 25 degress tilt 97% co2(They must have had alot of cars on mars,NOT)GOVERNMENTS WANT MORE TAX$$$ CARBON $$$$ WAKE UP,This is the natural course of the earth,nothing more ,nothing less.
Bushwhacker

Seattle, WA

#25083 Apr 12, 2013
Guess, this explains you and traffic circles...

“I Luv Carbon Dioxide”

Since: Dec 08

Home, sweet home.

#25084 Apr 12, 2013
Bushwhacker wrote:
Sure, burning is "natural", all living creatures destroy chemicals to exist.. Poor Brain Gone, when you get to China, they'll destroy you for having no value...
Is that a threat?

All living animals emit CO2, water vapor and other greenhouse gases. They understand that very well, in China. Greenhouse gases are good because they keep the warmth on the surface of Earth, in a cold universe. I know it sounds scary, a chaotic dance of planets and sun around a common gravitational point. A roller coaster ride through climate. Just wait...
WHINEeeeeee

Seattle, WA

#25085 Apr 12, 2013
Not at the rising higher levels...

Yeah, my Chinese contacts are ready for you to dig through the earth...

Poor Brain Gone, less relevant, with every post.
LIbEralS

Saint Paul, MN

#25086 Apr 12, 2013
WHINEeeeeee wrote:
Not at the rising higher levels...
Yeah, my Chinese contacts are ready for you to dig through the earth...
Poor Brain Gone, less relevant, with every post.
How many monikers this morning, "daily joke" ???
Bushwhacker

Seattle, WA

#25088 Apr 12, 2013
So unoriginal, should I just post as you, too ???
gcaveman1

Laurel, MS

#25089 Apr 12, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>"excess GHG's are man's doing" Climate always changes. Does it mean man made CO2 is the cause? No, there's no experimental data.
But, Brian, you said GHG's keep us from sliding into another ice age.

Did you do your little experiment?

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