Global warming 'undeniable,' scientists say

Scientists from around the world are providing even more evidence of global warming, one day after President Barack Obama renewed his call for climate legislation. Full Story

Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#24813 Mar 29, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>^^^I don't insult my political opponents because I believe reason is better than emotional arguments; this is where we differ.
You use unreasonable arguments in an attempt to get an emotional response. Mostly you get rational explanations of why your arguments are unreasonable, but also people point out that repeating them endlessly makes you a troll, which is a reasonable argument.

Where we differ is you are disingenuous and the people who respond to you are honest.

Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#24814 Mar 29, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>Fair Game wrote it wasn't an experiment on man made greenhouse gas emissions because it wasn't 'reversed'.
I agree: we need to reverse it to make it an experiment: reduce CO2 and see if we get the opposite effect. Just adding more CO2 and seeing more warming and less radiation escaping to space proves nothing.
Amused Slew

Minneapolis, MN

#24815 Mar 29, 2013
Fair Game wrote:
<quoted text>
You use unreasonable arguments in an attempt to get an emotional response. Mostly you get rational explanations of why your arguments are unreasonable, but also people point out that repeating them endlessly makes you a troll, which is a reasonable argument.
Where we differ is you are disingenuous and the people who respond to you are honest.
No he doesn't.
I've seen nothing but character attacks from your side of the argument.

Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#24816 Mar 29, 2013
PHD2 wrote:
So spring 2012 was warmer than average AND the experts said it was evidence of Global Warming.
Spring of 2013 is colder than average and the experts claim it's more evidence of Global Warming.
WHICH IS IT?
You can't have it both ways!!
Science is full of apparent contradictions.

*Normal* warmer temperatures are an indication of global warming.

*Anomalous* colder temperatures may be evidence of warming *if* the mechanism is described.

Normal winter temperatures are increasing; anomalous colder temperatures due to Arctic cold being pushed south are also occurring as Arctic sea ice declines influencing weather patterns.

Both were predicted before the event.

If you're looking for simple, science isn't it.

Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#24817 Mar 29, 2013
Amused Slew wrote:
<quoted text>
No he doesn't.
I've seen nothing but character attacks from your side of the argument.
Possibly due to your not being able to spot an unreasonable argument.

"You constantly demand an experiment even though experiments are not part of observational science therefore you are a troll" may seem like a character attack if the words before "you are a troll" have no meaning for you.
Amused Slew

Minneapolis, MN

#24818 Mar 29, 2013
Fair Game wrote:
<quoted text>
Possibly due to your not being able to spot an unreasonable argument.
"You constantly demand an experiment even though experiments are not part of observational science therefore you are a troll" may seem like a character attack if the words before "you are a troll" have no meaning for you.
Your lack of respect for others point of view speaks volumes about how you define what is reasonable or unreasonable.
PHD2

Minneapolis, MN

#24819 Mar 29, 2013
Fair Game wrote:
<quoted text>
Science is full of apparent contradictions.
*Normal* warmer temperatures are an indication of global warming.
*Anomalous* colder temperatures may be evidence of warming *if* the mechanism is described.
Normal winter temperatures are increasing; anomalous colder temperatures due to Arctic cold being pushed south are also occurring as Arctic sea ice declines influencing weather patterns.
Both were predicted before the event.
If you're looking for simple, science isn't it.
OK I'll forget it.

But if you view temps at the north and south poles they are both very cold.
Amused Slew

Minneapolis, MN

#24820 Mar 29, 2013
Fair Game wrote:
<quoted text>
Possibly due to your not being able to spot an unreasonable argument.
"You constantly demand an experiment even though experiments are not part of observational science therefore you are a troll" may seem like a character attack if the words before "you are a troll" have no meaning for you.
Seems like anyone who disagrees with you is a troll.

Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#24821 Mar 29, 2013
Amused Slew wrote:
<quoted text>
Your lack of respect for others point of view speaks volumes about how you define what is reasonable or unreasonable.
Why should I respect people who do not post in good faith?

Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#24822 Mar 29, 2013
PHD2 wrote:
<quoted text>
OK I'll forget it.
But if you view temps at the north and south poles they are both very cold.
Obviously you don't actually view the temps at the north pole, co they ain't.

http://www.scilogs.de/wblogs/gallery/16/previ...

Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#24823 Mar 29, 2013
Amused Slew wrote:
<quoted text>
Seems like anyone who disagrees with you is a troll.
Er, no.
Amused Slew

Minneapolis, MN

#24824 Mar 29, 2013
Fair Game wrote:
<quoted text>
Why should I respect people who do not post in good faith?
Cause if you dont, you discredit yourself, regardless of the intentions of others.

Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#24825 Mar 29, 2013
Amused Slew wrote:
<quoted text>
Cause if you dont, you discredit yourself, regardless of the intentions of others.
That's the intention of others, of course.
Amused Slew

Minneapolis, MN

#24826 Mar 29, 2013
Fair Game wrote:
<quoted text>
That's the intention of others, of course.
Again...your conviction that anyone who disagrees with you has an ulterior motive speaks volumes about what you consider reasonable or unreasonable.

Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#24827 Mar 29, 2013
Amused Slew wrote:
<quoted text>
Again...your conviction that anyone who disagrees with you has an ulterior motive speaks volumes about what you consider reasonable or unreasonable.
Straw man.
Amused Slew

Minneapolis, MN

#24828 Mar 29, 2013
Fair Game wrote:
<quoted text>
Straw man.
I'm sorry you feel that way.

Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#24829 Mar 29, 2013
Amused Slew wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm sorry you feel that way.
Rather irrelevant as you fail to comprehend the reasons.
Capt Crunch

Cottonwood, AZ

#24830 Mar 29, 2013
Amused Slew wrote:
<quoted text>
Again...your conviction that anyone who disagrees with you has an ulterior motive speaks volumes about what you consider reasonable or unreasonable.
Pure drivel!
Amused Slew

Minneapolis, MN

#24831 Mar 29, 2013
Fair Game wrote:
<quoted text>
Rather irrelevant as you fail to comprehend the reasons.
If that's how you feel, I dont see how anything I say can be relevant to you.
Capt Crunch

Cottonwood, AZ

#24832 Mar 29, 2013
Amused Slew wrote:
<quoted text>
If that's how you feel, I dont see how anything I say can be relevant to you.
Pure drivel!

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