Global warming 'undeniable,' scientists say

Scientists from around the world are providing even more evidence of global warming, one day after President Barack Obama renewed his call for climate legislation. Full Story

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#24535 Mar 20, 2013
Oops - wrong vid. This one may be better:

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

Since: Nov 11

Westerville, OH

#24536 Mar 20, 2013
SpaceBlues wrote:
Contrary to the propaganda, people nowhere decide on public policy whether in the West nor in the East. Look at the Iraqi war about which now the US majority says it was a mistake. Obviously, the public's decision was suppressed regarding this war.

Nature:[Our] result suggests that public divisions over climate change stem not from the public’s incomprehension of science but from a distinctive conflict of interest: between the personal interest individuals have in forming beliefs in line with those held by others with whom they share close ties and the collective one they all share in making use of the best available science to promote common welfare.

Thanks for your comment, HSL.
Libya deaths?

Oh! Libya was fine but Iraq was not, right?

Egypt? Are you defending Obama or attacking Bush? Or both?

Since: Nov 11

Westerville, OH

#24537 Mar 20, 2013
HomoSapiensLaptopicus wrote:
<quoted text>Yes, 24/7. Some threads here are relatively old, going back to 2010, or even 2008. Way back then, the deniers were saying the same things - even some of the SAME PEOPLE as today. Realists & deniers are not likely to agree any time soon. The deniers know just enough science to convince themselves they're right, no matter how many scientific facts we give them.

http://www.nature.com/nclimate/journal/v2/n10...

As the effects of AGW/CC become more & more obvious, some deniers may come around, but the oil monied interests will fight tooth & nail. So far they've been remarkably successful in confusing the public. No doubt some of their paid agents are here.
If GW alarmist is right, why they lie in the hacked emails?

Some day alarmist will realize that the world is not ending on Dec 2012, nor by hunger on 2000 as Liberal predicted and that Global warning is a Hoax!

Since: Nov 11

Westerville, OH

#24538 Mar 20, 2013
SpaceBlues wrote:
Hi folks, this goes on 24/7. Deniers come here to post the same. Here's todays's crop on this page:

Denier1 posted: "So if my point and yours are both proven wrong by different scientists, you will only pick the ones that refutes mine as the final authority!

That is how we know GW is a HOAX!

Denier2 posted: "There's no experimental record of any man made climate change, that's why its a hoax."

As you can see, they are not science-based. When we ask questions, they repeat the same or ask another question. Because they are without basis.
No amount of facts will stop you alarmists!!!

We use common sense! The sun is hot and shining down on earth 24 hours a day every day and volcano emit CO2 in large amounts!

You alarmists call CO2 a poison while we know it is needed by plants to give us food for life!

Question: How did you go from Global warming to CO2 must be taxed?

Answer: Via the socialist agenda!

We know what you are up to, you do not fool us anymore!

Since: Nov 11

Westerville, OH

#24539 Mar 20, 2013
HomoSapiensLaptopicus wrote:
<quoted text>Remember, Jose, a revenue-neutral carbon tax removes ZERO money from the economy & adds ZERO money to government. The chances that "liberals can play more golf" is ZERO.

A carbon tax simply distributes money from high to low carbon emitters. It's the best way to begin to save human lives & civilization - assuming it's stiff enough.

BTW, NOBODY spent more time on the golf course than Ike. Yet he was a great president.
Ike used to defend Obama, WOW!!!

A carbon tax simply gets passed to the consumer, idiot!!!

Hey, HomoSapiensLaptopicus:
If carbon taxes are "revenue-neutral" then where did Al Gore got his $100 millions? From the air?

Show us how a "revenue-neutral" scam made a person rich, please!

Al Gore could become world's first carbon billionaire
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/energy/64911...

Maurice Strong, Al Gore
Creators of carbon credit scheme cashing in on it

By Judi McLeod Tuesday, March 13, 2007
There's an elephant in global warming's living room that few in the mainstream media want to talk about: the creators of the carbon credit scheme are the ones cashing in on it.

The two cherub like choirboys singing loudest in the Holier Than Thou Global Warming Cathedral are Maurice Strong and Al Gore.

This duo has done more than anyone else to advance the alarmism of man-made global warming.

With little media monitoring, both Strong and Gore are cashing in on the lucrative cottage industry known as man-made global warming.

Strong is on the board of directors of the Chicago Climate Exchange, Wikipedia-described as "the world's first and North America's only legally binding greenhouse gas emission registry reduction system for emission sources and offset projects in North America and Brazil."

Gore buys his carbon off-sets from himself--the Generation Investment Management LLP, "an independent, private, owner-managed partnership established in 2004 with offices in London and Washington, D.C." of which he is both chairman and founding partner.

http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/cover0313...
Kyle

Knox, IN

#24541 Mar 20, 2013
martinezjosei wrote:
<quoted text>
Libya deaths?
Oh! Libya was fine but Iraq was not, right?
Egypt? Are you defending Obama or attacking Bush? Or both?
Nice job of ignoring all the meat and potatoes while obsessing over the after dinner mint.

Why not back up and respond to the FACTS that have been revealed by several SCIENTIFIC studies regarding the irrational reasons that your ilk deny climate science? Hmmm?
Kyle

Knox, IN

#24542 Mar 20, 2013
martinezjosei wrote:
<quoted text>
If GW alarmist is right, why they lie in the hacked emails?
All you've done here is illustrate his point! We have posted repeatedly in reference to the multiple reviews of that matter that found no wrong doing whatsoever. The claims of lies were laughable concoctions and revealed as such ten minutes after the claims were made.

ONLY the denier crowd, which either avoids non-nutter sources entirely or knee jerk dismisses them as "part of the conspiracy", still hasn't got the memo years later!

WHAT EFFIN' RETARDS!!!
Kyle

Knox, IN

#24543 Mar 20, 2013
martinezjosei wrote:
<quoted text> The sun is hot and shining down on earth 24 hours a day every day and volcano emit CO2 in large amounts!
But the sun is NOT shining brighter SAYS SCIENCE.

And for the tenth time!:

Humans are emitting ~100X as much CO2 as volcanism!

Read the effin' posts. You might learn something, nutter.
Kyle

Knox, IN

#24544 Mar 20, 2013
martinezjosei wrote:
<quoted text>You alarmists call CO2 a poison while we know it is needed by plants to give us food for life!
Dumbass denier argument #3 that will not die. O2 is necessary for life but too much is potentially fatal.(I'm a diver)

Thanks for only making retarded, easily refuted (because they were refuted so long ago and so many times); of shows that you have no valid arguments.

Appreciate it. Thanks again.
Kyle

Knox, IN

#24545 Mar 20, 2013
martinezjosei wrote:
<quoted text>
A carbon tax simply gets passed to the consumer, idiot!!!.
...

Creators of carbon credit scheme cashing in on it.
1) No science in your post.

2) Why shouldn't the consumer see the external costs reflected in the price so that the market can drive the development of better technology? That's just a good old market-based solution.

3) Why can't you see the biilions being made by those who fund denial?

4)
ebtcollector

Minneapolis, MN

#24546 Mar 20, 2013
Kyle wrote:
<quoted text>
Dumbass denier argument #3 that will not die. O2 is necessary for life but too much is potentially fatal.(I'm a diver)
Thanks for only making retarded, easily refuted (because they were refuted so long ago and so many times); of shows that you have no valid arguments.
Appreciate it. Thanks again.
Ok fine. Global warming is real.

So we all shower for few mine less....
Carpool more to work.
We changed lighbulbs.

You happy now?

Will you finally leave people alone?

WTF do you want from people? Besides blind obedience.

SHOW ME UNDENIABLE PROOF.
oh wait you have none. But ill take your word that earth is getting warmer. You happy now?

When will you alarmists stfu already?
when we are in an ice age? Then will you stfu?

WTF DO YOU WANT FROM PEOPLE?
Kyle

Knox, IN

#24547 Mar 20, 2013
Common, losers! Can't one of you make a single, supported, science-based argument for your position?

Do you have nothing more than the usual hand waving nonsense, long-refuted lies, conspiracy theories, etc.?

Knowing that to be true, I accept your concessions.
Bushwhacker

Seattle, WA

#24548 Mar 20, 2013
It's important for you to act/feel superior, try slugs... People are WAY BEYOND YOU....

Poor baby.

Someday, you should try intelligence, if you have any..... LMAOROTFU~!
ebtcollector

Minneapolis, MN

#24549 Mar 20, 2013
Oh and its 20 degrees colder than average here in Mn.

I'm sure people are just dieing to cool down earth. Twins have home opener in a week or two.

Good luck convincing all the "deniers".

I'm sure the reason govt increased car mileage standards are because of global warming......
Not because the dollar paper currency is being inflated to the moon and gas prices will only rise.
ebtcollector

Minneapolis, MN

#24550 Mar 20, 2013
Kyle wrote:
Common, losers! Can't one of you make a single, supported, science-based argument for your position?
Do you have nothing more than the usual hand waving nonsense, long-refuted lies, conspiracy theories, etc.?
Knowing that to be true, I accept your concessions.
I believe you.
now what?
Kyle

Knox, IN

#24551 Mar 20, 2013
ebtcollector wrote:
<quoted text>
SHOW ME UNDENIABLE PROOF.
oh wait you have none....

But ill take your word that earth is getting warmer....

When will you alarmists stfu already?
Thanks for showing your utter lack of scientific understanding. Absolute proof is for math, dumbass. Science is about evidence and it is overwhelming.

Don't take my word. Since you're incapable of assessing the science yourself, take the word of 98% of climate scientists and every national science academy on the planet.

We'll shut up when you denier scum stop irrationally preventing intelligent, knowledgeable, and rational people from preventing the suffering and death of millions of people within my grandchildrens' lifetimes. Deal?
ebtcollector

Minneapolis, MN

#24552 Mar 20, 2013
Kyle wrote:
Common, losers! Can't one of you make a single, supported, science-based argument for your position?
Do you have nothing more than the usual hand waving nonsense, long-refuted lies, conspiracy theories, etc.?
Knowing that to be true, I accept your concessions.
I said I believed you.
Now what?

Or you just get off on fighting on forums?
Using issues to seek interaction with others, the only way you know how.

I believe you.
Global warming is real.

Now what?

Is your goal reaching a consensus?
Or just fighting with people?

I believe you.

NOW WHAT?
ebtcollector

Minneapolis, MN

#24553 Mar 20, 2013
Kyle wrote:
<quoted text>
Thanks for showing your utter lack of scientific understanding. Absolute proof is for math, dumbass. Science is about evidence and it is overwhelming.
Don't take my word. Since you're incapable of assessing the science yourself, take the word of 98% of climate scientists and every national science academy on the planet.
We'll shut up when you denier scum stop irrationally preventing intelligent, knowledgeable, and rational people from preventing the suffering and death of millions of people within my grandchildrens' lifetimes. Deal?
I believe you.
Now what?

Your retarded ass don't even know.

Since: Jan 13

Location hidden

#24554 Mar 20, 2013
martinezjosei wrote:
<quoted text>
If GW alarmist is right, why they lie in the hacked emails?
Some day alarmist will realize that the world is not ending on Dec 2012, nor by hunger on 2000 as Liberal predicted and that Global warning is a Hoax!
Compared to the vast majorithy of people, scientists NEVER lie. They CAN'T.

The structure of science strongly militates against deception. Science must be reproducible, so as soon as work is published, some scientist somewhere in the world is going to try to repeat it. If the 2nd scientist can't reproduce the 1st scientist work, the 1st scientist "has some 'splainin' to do." The truth will always, always, ALWAYS come out, & very quickly in an active field like this.

Of course mistakes happen, methodologies can be troublesome, & all kind of other stuff happens. Sometimes mistakes are embarrassing - remember cold fusion? Sometimes they're just mistakes & the 2 scientists working together can figure them out.

However, outright deception, once discovered (& it always, ALWAYS will be), it generally ends that scientist's academic career. That's why scientists simply canNOT lie like the vast majority of normal people.

That's scientific work. Can they lie in emails? Well, they're human, so they can. They just didn't in the ones you've been told about. Instead, YOU'VE been lied to.

Yes, scientists can be back-biting, petty, intolerant of ignorance in emails, & show most of the other foibles all human have. But that's all.

Take the 2 most famous ones, "Mike's trick" & "hide the decline." In science, a "trick" isn't anything deceptive or nefarious at all, it's just a clever way of simplifying, combining or analyzing things so they make more sense. Mike's (Michael E Mann's) "trick" was to combine modern, measured temperatures with proxies of temps from the past.

Tree rings are usually wider, with less dense wood, when temps are higher, so they're called "proxies" of temp. Going back a thousand years, Mann et al analyzed tree rings, then combined them with modern measured temps. Tree rings are uncertain measures, so there were wide error bars, but those have been reduced with more people analyzing more proxies.

Nothing evil, deceptive, nefarious or tricky (in the colloquial sense) about it.

"Hide the decline" referred to the fact that SOME northern trees, instead of showing wider rings, were showing narrower rings, even though we knew from measurements that temps were rising. This has been much discussed in the scientific literature & called the "divergence problem."

In the email, "hide the decline" referred to the fact that Mann et al threw out the narrow tree ring data from some northern trees, so declining tree ring widths didn't show up in their analysis. Technically, though, once "Mike's trick" was applied, ALL modern tree rings, narrow & wide, were thrown out. Throwing out anomalous data is a perfectly reasonable thing to do in science, as long as you disclose it.

In their scientific paper, they didn't hide anything, THEY CALLED ATTENTION TO IT!! They asked other scientists to address the divergence problem, & now there are several possible hypotheses for why it might be happening.

There was NOTHING deceptive or nefarious going on. Once again, Mann et al DIDN'T HIDE ANYTHING, THEY CALLED ATTENTION TO THE NARROWING NORTHERN TREE RINGS in their paper.

So the scientists did NOT lie in their emails. However, YOU have lied to by deniers, & you're foolish enough to believe them. Period.

Given my prior post, I realize you're not likely to believe me. But I'm speaking the truth. Perhaps there are lurkers with open minds.

Your progeny, should you have any, will realize that I'm right while you are terribly, terribly wrong.
Bushwhacker

Seattle, WA

#24555 Mar 20, 2013
Sure, it's ALL about you or you'll rant..... LMAOROTFU~!

It's important for you to act/feel superior, try slugs... People are WAY BEYOND YOU....

Poor baby.

Someday, you should try intelligence, if you have any..... LMAOROTFU~!

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