Global warming 'undeniable,' scientis...

Global warming 'undeniable,' scientists say

There are 36540 comments on the TwinCities.com story from Jul 29, 2010, titled Global warming 'undeniable,' scientists say. In it, TwinCities.com reports that:

Scientists from around the world are providing even more evidence of global warming, one day after President Barack Obama renewed his call for climate legislation.

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ebtcollector

Minneapolis, MN

#24546 Mar 20, 2013
Kyle wrote:
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Dumbass denier argument #3 that will not die. O2 is necessary for life but too much is potentially fatal.(I'm a diver)
Thanks for only making retarded, easily refuted (because they were refuted so long ago and so many times); of shows that you have no valid arguments.
Appreciate it. Thanks again.
Ok fine. Global warming is real.

So we all shower for few mine less....
Carpool more to work.
We changed lighbulbs.

You happy now?

Will you finally leave people alone?

WTF do you want from people? Besides blind obedience.

SHOW ME UNDENIABLE PROOF.
oh wait you have none. But ill take your word that earth is getting warmer. You happy now?

When will you alarmists stfu already?
when we are in an ice age? Then will you stfu?

WTF DO YOU WANT FROM PEOPLE?
Kyle

Rensselaer, IN

#24547 Mar 20, 2013
Common, losers! Can't one of you make a single, supported, science-based argument for your position?

Do you have nothing more than the usual hand waving nonsense, long-refuted lies, conspiracy theories, etc.?

Knowing that to be true, I accept your concessions.
Bushwhacker

Seattle, WA

#24548 Mar 20, 2013
It's important for you to act/feel superior, try slugs... People are WAY BEYOND YOU....

Poor baby.

Someday, you should try intelligence, if you have any..... LMAOROTFU~!
ebtcollector

Minneapolis, MN

#24549 Mar 20, 2013
Oh and its 20 degrees colder than average here in Mn.

I'm sure people are just dieing to cool down earth. Twins have home opener in a week or two.

Good luck convincing all the "deniers".

I'm sure the reason govt increased car mileage standards are because of global warming......
Not because the dollar paper currency is being inflated to the moon and gas prices will only rise.
ebtcollector

Minneapolis, MN

#24550 Mar 20, 2013
Kyle wrote:
Common, losers! Can't one of you make a single, supported, science-based argument for your position?
Do you have nothing more than the usual hand waving nonsense, long-refuted lies, conspiracy theories, etc.?
Knowing that to be true, I accept your concessions.
I believe you.
now what?
Kyle

Rensselaer, IN

#24551 Mar 20, 2013
ebtcollector wrote:
<quoted text>
SHOW ME UNDENIABLE PROOF.
oh wait you have none....

But ill take your word that earth is getting warmer....

When will you alarmists stfu already?
Thanks for showing your utter lack of scientific understanding. Absolute proof is for math, dumbass. Science is about evidence and it is overwhelming.

Don't take my word. Since you're incapable of assessing the science yourself, take the word of 98% of climate scientists and every national science academy on the planet.

We'll shut up when you denier scum stop irrationally preventing intelligent, knowledgeable, and rational people from preventing the suffering and death of millions of people within my grandchildrens' lifetimes. Deal?
ebtcollector

Minneapolis, MN

#24552 Mar 20, 2013
Kyle wrote:
Common, losers! Can't one of you make a single, supported, science-based argument for your position?
Do you have nothing more than the usual hand waving nonsense, long-refuted lies, conspiracy theories, etc.?
Knowing that to be true, I accept your concessions.
I said I believed you.
Now what?

Or you just get off on fighting on forums?
Using issues to seek interaction with others, the only way you know how.

I believe you.
Global warming is real.

Now what?

Is your goal reaching a consensus?
Or just fighting with people?

I believe you.

NOW WHAT?
ebtcollector

Minneapolis, MN

#24553 Mar 20, 2013
Kyle wrote:
<quoted text>
Thanks for showing your utter lack of scientific understanding. Absolute proof is for math, dumbass. Science is about evidence and it is overwhelming.
Don't take my word. Since you're incapable of assessing the science yourself, take the word of 98% of climate scientists and every national science academy on the planet.
We'll shut up when you denier scum stop irrationally preventing intelligent, knowledgeable, and rational people from preventing the suffering and death of millions of people within my grandchildrens' lifetimes. Deal?
I believe you.
Now what?

Your retarded ass don't even know.

Since: Jan 13

Location hidden

#24554 Mar 20, 2013
martinezjosei wrote:
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If GW alarmist is right, why they lie in the hacked emails?
Some day alarmist will realize that the world is not ending on Dec 2012, nor by hunger on 2000 as Liberal predicted and that Global warning is a Hoax!
Compared to the vast majorithy of people, scientists NEVER lie. They CAN'T.

The structure of science strongly militates against deception. Science must be reproducible, so as soon as work is published, some scientist somewhere in the world is going to try to repeat it. If the 2nd scientist can't reproduce the 1st scientist work, the 1st scientist "has some 'splainin' to do." The truth will always, always, ALWAYS come out, & very quickly in an active field like this.

Of course mistakes happen, methodologies can be troublesome, & all kind of other stuff happens. Sometimes mistakes are embarrassing - remember cold fusion? Sometimes they're just mistakes & the 2 scientists working together can figure them out.

However, outright deception, once discovered (& it always, ALWAYS will be), it generally ends that scientist's academic career. That's why scientists simply canNOT lie like the vast majority of normal people.

That's scientific work. Can they lie in emails? Well, they're human, so they can. They just didn't in the ones you've been told about. Instead, YOU'VE been lied to.

Yes, scientists can be back-biting, petty, intolerant of ignorance in emails, & show most of the other foibles all human have. But that's all.

Take the 2 most famous ones, "Mike's trick" & "hide the decline." In science, a "trick" isn't anything deceptive or nefarious at all, it's just a clever way of simplifying, combining or analyzing things so they make more sense. Mike's (Michael E Mann's) "trick" was to combine modern, measured temperatures with proxies of temps from the past.

Tree rings are usually wider, with less dense wood, when temps are higher, so they're called "proxies" of temp. Going back a thousand years, Mann et al analyzed tree rings, then combined them with modern measured temps. Tree rings are uncertain measures, so there were wide error bars, but those have been reduced with more people analyzing more proxies.

Nothing evil, deceptive, nefarious or tricky (in the colloquial sense) about it.

"Hide the decline" referred to the fact that SOME northern trees, instead of showing wider rings, were showing narrower rings, even though we knew from measurements that temps were rising. This has been much discussed in the scientific literature & called the "divergence problem."

In the email, "hide the decline" referred to the fact that Mann et al threw out the narrow tree ring data from some northern trees, so declining tree ring widths didn't show up in their analysis. Technically, though, once "Mike's trick" was applied, ALL modern tree rings, narrow & wide, were thrown out. Throwing out anomalous data is a perfectly reasonable thing to do in science, as long as you disclose it.

In their scientific paper, they didn't hide anything, THEY CALLED ATTENTION TO IT!! They asked other scientists to address the divergence problem, & now there are several possible hypotheses for why it might be happening.

There was NOTHING deceptive or nefarious going on. Once again, Mann et al DIDN'T HIDE ANYTHING, THEY CALLED ATTENTION TO THE NARROWING NORTHERN TREE RINGS in their paper.

So the scientists did NOT lie in their emails. However, YOU have lied to by deniers, & you're foolish enough to believe them. Period.

Given my prior post, I realize you're not likely to believe me. But I'm speaking the truth. Perhaps there are lurkers with open minds.

Your progeny, should you have any, will realize that I'm right while you are terribly, terribly wrong.
Bushwhacker

Seattle, WA

#24555 Mar 20, 2013
Sure, it's ALL about you or you'll rant..... LMAOROTFU~!

It's important for you to act/feel superior, try slugs... People are WAY BEYOND YOU....

Poor baby.

Someday, you should try intelligence, if you have any..... LMAOROTFU~!
ebtcollector

Minneapolis, MN

#24556 Mar 20, 2013
Wtf you arguing for?
I believe you.

Global warming is real.

Now what?

What do you do after you reached a consensus that global warming is real?

So what's the plan?
Or you too stupid to understand solutions to a problem you convinced others exist?

Now what?
Bushwhacker

Seattle, WA

#24558 Mar 20, 2013
Your retarded ass, DOESN'T even know....

Pretty sadly, you show your lack of intelligence, while claiming someone else has it...?
Bushwhacker

Seattle, WA

#24559 Mar 20, 2013
ebtcollector wrote:
Wtf you arguing for?
I believe you.
Global warming is real.
Now what?
What do you do after you reached a consensus that global warming is real?
So what's the plan?
Or you too stupid to understand solutions to a problem you convinced others exist?
Now what?
...are you arguing ABOUT....
ebtcollector

Minneapolis, MN

#24560 Mar 20, 2013
So how do we tackle the problem of man made global warming?
ebtcollector

Minneapolis, MN

#24561 Mar 20, 2013
Bushwhacker wrote:
<quoted text>...are you arguing ABOUT....
So how do we address the problem with global warming?
ebtcollector

Minneapolis, MN

#24562 Mar 20, 2013
Where you go kyle?

Any solutions to a problem you convinced me that exists?

Since: Jan 13

Location hidden

#24563 Mar 20, 2013
martinezjosei wrote:
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Ike used to defend Obama, WOW!!!
A carbon tax simply gets passed to the consumer, idiot!!!
Hey, HomoSapiensLaptopicus:
If carbon taxes are "revenue-neutral" then where did Al Gore got his $100 millions? From the air?
Show us how a "revenue-neutral" scam made a person rich, please!
Al Gore could become world's first carbon billionaire
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/energy/64911...
Maurice Strong, Al Gore
Creators of carbon credit scheme cashing in on it
By Judi McLeod Tuesday, March 13, 2007
There's an elephant in global warming's living room that few in the mainstream media want to talk about: the creators of the carbon credit scheme are the ones cashing in on it.
The two cherub like choirboys singing loudest in the Holier Than Thou Global Warming Cathedral are Maurice Strong and Al Gore.
This duo has done more than anyone else to advance the alarmism of man-made global warming.
With little media monitoring, both Strong and Gore are cashing in on the lucrative cottage industry known as man-made global warming.
Strong is on the board of directors of the Chicago Climate Exchange, Wikipedia-described as "the world's first and North America's only legally binding greenhouse gas emission registry reduction system for emission sources and offset projects in North America and Brazil."
Gore buys his carbon off-sets from himself--the Generation Investment Management LLP, "an independent, private, owner-managed partnership established in 2004 with offices in London and Washington, D.C." of which he is both chairman and founding partner.
http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/cover0313...
That's a neat trick, Jose. EVERYTHING you say is wrong!

Ike's politics were very similar to Obama's, & Obama has held the line on spending increases better than any president since Ike.

A carbon tax NEVER gets passed along to consumers as a whole. It's REVENUE NEUTRAL. Heavy emitters of carbon pay thru the nose, light emitters get free money. Net effect: ZERO money taken from the economy, ZERO money added to government. Why is this SO hard for you people to get?

As an example, when you buy gas, you pay a slowly rising (over ~10 years) fee, up to ~$2.50 a gallon, & similar fees for other carbon-emitting fuels. Every month, that money gets distributed equally to every legal resident of the US, with half shares for up to 2 children.~60% of people get more money back than they put in. A few get crushed. Too bad, find a clean source of energy. Low emitters benefit to EXACTLY the same extent as high emitters are punished.

The carbon credit scheme was supported by the criminals at Enron.'Nuff said. Only fools & crooks support it now.

Al Gore AGAIN?? I DON'T CARE ABOUT AL GORE. He's nobody. He wrote a couple of books & made a movie (the profits from which he donated to charity, BTW). You could prove that he's the most evil, venal, hypocritical person in the history of the world, & you know what it would mean to the science?

NOTHING!! Absolutely NOTHING!

So you're batting .000 - keep up the good work. But PLEASE don't keep bringing up the tired cliche of Al Gore. He's 100.00000000000000000000000000 000000000000% IRRELEVANT. He made his money by getting into Google & Apple at just the right time. It had nothing to do with AGW/CC. Just give it up.
ebtcollector

Minneapolis, MN

#24564 Mar 20, 2013
Stupid people....
Bushwhacker

Seattle, WA

#24565 Mar 20, 2013
I'm certainly your superior, in every respect. Of course, name calling is your ace in the hole..... just like daddy did to you...... Ps- Daddy was right both ways....
ebtcollector

Minneapolis, MN

#24566 Mar 20, 2013
I believe you about global warming.

NOW WHAT?

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