Global warming 'undeniable,' scientists say

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Scientists from around the world are providing even more evidence of global warming, one day after President Barack Obama renewed his call for climate legislation.
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Ralph

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SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>I'm not an expert of your state. I've been there only twice but never in winter. Just saying.
I did this search for you to look up any of the links:
http://www.google.com/search...
P.S. Needless to say the temperatures have ups and downs but still produce an upward trend. You should know that as an elementary fact.
OK but it still seems strange if the earth was warming by mans activity it would ever cool down at all. I'd expect it to continue to warm and the warming would accelerate NOT cool down.
SpaceBlues

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Ralph wrote:
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OK but it still seems strange if the earth was warming by mans activity it would ever cool down at all. I'd expect it to continue to warm and the warming would accelerate NOT cool down.
The warming trend will accelerate as seen already.

Read my posts again. Cooling down is not mentioned with regard to the global climate change..
Ralph

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joey wrote:
so all you global warming nuts should leave and go to another planet and take gore with you.gores millions made from this hoax has turned into a billion plus but you aholes still suck his ass?yes,you are the liberals that believe what you hear from the lame stream media?
The sad thing is "people" want a messiah to worship.

Obama is one Gore is another. Sheepie blindly follow them off the proverbial cliff.

When were citizens transformed into mindless sheepie, trusting a loud mouthed opinionated jerk?
SpaceBlues

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From the referenced article[*]..

What would serious steps entail?

According to the Meinshausen paper, up to 80 per cent of our known reserve of fossil fuels will have to stay in the ground.

“The carbon budget implied by the 2 C limit,” Jaccard wrote,“means that we cannot be making new investments that expand the carbon polluting infrastructure.

“This means no expansion of oilsands, no new pipelines (like Keystone and Northern Gateway) and no expansion of coal mines and coal ports.

“This does not mean shutting down the oilsands. It does not mean shutting coal mines. These will continue to operate for decades. But you cannot be expanding carbon polluting production and also prevent 2 C or even 4 C temperature increase. The industry knows this, but prefers its ads telling us about the jobs and revenue from expanding the polluting infrastructure.”

But the remedies needed, Rees suggested, might have to be even more draconian than that.

“Even the International Energy Agency and the World Bank have recently conceded that even if present agreed-upon policies were implemented, the world is likely headed to four Celsius degrees warming by the end of the century. This would render much of the most heavily populated parts of the earth uninhabitable ...”

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http://www.vancouversun.com/technology/Pete+M...
PHD

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SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>I'm not an expert of your state.
Actually your not an expert on anything. Well my bad you are an expert on Scientific science fiction and scare tactics.
Kyle

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WTF wrote:
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Wow! You are one angry person. I was just answering your question on how Al Gore could get scientist to go along with global warming. I just presented a plausible option.
Do you not agree that some scientist like other people can be influenced by money?
Yes, the intractable ignorance and stubborn denial of loons like you angers people who have children and grandchildren but don't have their heads in their arse.

Now listen up, you simpleton:

IT'S NOT PLAUSIBLE AT ALL!

First, the science behind global warming was a century in the making before Al Gore was born. Al Gore didn't invent it, you snivelinjg 'tard; he just made an effin' documentary! He publicized science that was already there. Stop eating up all the manufactured ignorance that the denial industry feeds you.

Second, you have to be dumber than box of rocks to think that thousands of scientists all over the planet can all be somehow be nearly unanimous in participating in a global conspiracy for which there is ZERO evidence, no incentives (in spite of denier lies), and the need to falsify billions of data points and calculations, and coordinate the corrupted peer review of thousands of papers.

Third, you still ignored the dead-obvious funding of the astroturfed (manufactured) denier movement. A handful of fossil fuel industries and wealthy stock holders fund ~40 separate, bogus "think tanks" and buy politicians by the bus load. Can you at least acknowledge these facts or does your dogmatic belief system prevent it?
Kyle

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Capt Crunch wrote:
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When science is posited as God the Omniscient, it will eventually gather a following of True Beleivers , fanatics who will slash their backs with hook embedded leather thongs to prove the verity of their cause. Admittedly there is an amount of insanity involved, but that is a necessary ingredient of a fanatical movement. So, be not disturbed, this also shall pass.
Ah yes, you've made it very clear where you're coming from. You clearly know that you're using fallacious rhetoric and know that your position is a loser. I say that because of the transparent nature of your transference and because it's far from the first time you've tried to equate acceptance of the scientific method and rational conclusions from observation as faith-based in a DISHONEST attempt to equate it with your actual faith-based science denial (or your dishonest claim to deny it).

I suppose, considering all of the religious imagery you invoked, that you're a religious nutter who feels he must reject science because he thinks reality is contradicting his dogmatic belief system. Are you one of those that thinks God would never let it happen, so the science must be the devil's lies?

Your post was free of anything but bluster. All of the vast science points to the accepted (by competent, rational, honest people) conclusion. If you want to post your brain droppings here with any hope of convincing competent, rational, honest people that it's all wrong, you need to POST SOME SCIENCE that supports your position.

Not only can't you do so, you just made it clear that you don;t think it necessary. You're openly anti-science. if that's all you got, then shut off the computer that science created and go live in a cave. A--hole!
SpaceBlues

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PHD wrote:
<quoted text>Actually your not an expert on anything. Well my bad you are an expert on Scientific science fiction and scare tactics.
Hey stalker, LOL.
Kyle

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Capt Crunch wrote:
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Thankfully, my comphrehesion keeps e from accepting everything that is proclaimrd to be THE TRUTH as an accurate description of reality. I accept Platos description of reality much more readily Tham of those whose need to write a paper exceeds their knowledge.
How do you know that the science doesn't support the conclusions?

What's your qualifications to assess the science?

How much of the primary sources have you studied?

Assuming (a VERY good assumption) that you have no qualifications at all, none of the required knowledge or skills, and have never once accessed the real science, we can safely conclude that you have no RATIONAL reasons keeping you from accepting the truth.

In fact, you have accepted THE TRUTH that science is all an impossible conspiracy based purely on acceptance of non-scientific, often fallacious, and deeply dishonest arguments fed to you by those you accept as authority figures. That is the nature of your kind. Your worldview is more based upon authoritarianism than on evidence-based knowledge.
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Ralph wrote:
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OK, so earth is being warmed by human activity.
So why has the Minnesota winter been colder than normal?
It's easy to claim the earth is burning up getting hotter each year then how can it magically cool down this year?
"The weather is cold today somewhere, so I, a know-nothing, reject 150 yrs of science and question the conclusions of a million PHD's about long-term climate trends."

Just the MOST RETARDED NON-ARGUMENT IN THE DENIER BAG OF BS.

How can anyone have participated in this conversation for any length of time and still be this jaw-droppingly ignorant and illogical?

I have to ask: Why do the other nutters NEVER speak up and tell those who repeat the long list of astoundingly stupid, bumper sticker class, denialist idiocies that they're wrong?

Could it be because they gladly accept any argument, no matter of retarded or obviously wrong, as long as it's on their side? Because they're dogmatic science deniers intent on defeating science regardless rather than trying to find out what is actually true?

Hmmm?
Kyle

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Ralph wrote:
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OK but it still seems strange if the earth was warming by mans activity it would ever cool down at all. I'd expect it to continue to warm and the warming would accelerate NOT cool down.
(face->palm)

I suppose that it should be hotter every day than the day before. What a mental midget.

Are the rest of you deniers proud of the company you keep?
Kyle

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joey wrote:
so all you global warming nuts should leave and go to another planet and take gore with you.gores millions made from this hoax has turned into a billion plus but you aholes still suck his ass?yes,you are the liberals that believe what you hear from the lame stream media?
No, moron, I suggest that all of you denier nuts should leave and go to another planet and take the Koch brothers with you. Koch's BILLIONS made aholes like you think science is a hoax but you aholes still suck his ass? yes,you are the teabaggers that believe what you hear from the objectively (proven) dishonest teabagger media complex.

I'll be you're a creationist, too and think Rush is literally right, and that Beck is sane, and that Hannity is honest.

As a true conservative, I can tell you they're all some combo of sold-out and insane. Read a book.
litesong

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Ralph wrote:
Sheepie........ mindless sheepie....
More toxic topix AGW deniers show too much interest in sheep, specially sheep bottoms.
Kyle

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PHD wrote:
<quoted text>Actually your not an expert on anything. Well my bad you are an expert on Scientific science fiction and scare tactics.
The only thing you show any expertise in is bare assertions, insults, and meaningless blather.

Since this is a science topic and since you have a very adamant view on the science, maybe you should show us some of your expertise in SCIENCE. Post some SCIENCE that supports your views.

I know that you won't, so I accept your concession. Having conceded, go away.

Or continue to post on your actual areas of expertise, emphasizing that you've not only conceded, but are incapable of mounting an argument at all and are so dishonest/insane that you can't accept that fact.

Since: Nov 11

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THE LONE WORKER wrote:
Could all of the space debry that falls back to earth have anything to do with the ozone layer problem? What about all of the rockets that burn through to outer space to send stuff that will eventually come back down ?
Actually the Earth rise in temperatures is caused by the weakening magnetic force field of Earth allowing sun flares more impact on our climate.

Nothin about SUV's nor asthma inhalers killing polar bears.

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litesong wrote:
<quoted text>I didn't say when the sky would fall, but in 2010, I pointed out the following about falling ice:

The recently collapsed Wilkens Ice Shelf was estimated 10,000 years old.
The recently collapsed Ward Hunt Ice Shelf was estimated 4500 years old.
The recently collapsed Larsen B Ice Shelf was estimated 12.000 years old.

All collapsed within 7 years of each other.
4500 years old..........7 years
10,000 years old.......7 years
12,000 years old.......7 years
The Sun is hotter than an asthma inhaler. Should we also ban the Sun?

Liberals care so much about the kids that they made asthma inhalers possession a federal crime punishable by imprison. Yes, those inhalers do save kids but they kill Liberal protected polar bears, which is worst, Liberals claim.

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Kyle wrote:
<quoted text>LISTEN UP, YOU MENTAL MIDGET!:

Doubling down on demented conspiracist diversionary attempts fools no one. Post some science or concede honestly.
You evaded the point, liberal SOP.

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Kyle wrote:
<quoted text>You failed completely yet again. When can we expect your honest concession?

Response to idiocy of idiotic argument that climate changed before = non-existent

Response to my rebuttal regarding the incredible stupidity of your chosen mythical conspiracy vs the unhidden "conspiracy" that's behind your denialism = non-existent

Robotic repitition of loony conspiracy claims anyway = dishonest form of concession

More politics; still NO SCIENCE = dishonest concession

Accusations that IM liberal though I've already told you my views = dogmatic narrow -mindedness

Calls GW a hoax in all caps; once again mistaking bare assertion for a logical argument = dumber than a sack of hammers
Stop calling me names and show me a non-Liberals scientists pro GW and I will listen.

So far, every single GW alarmist being a socialists hack!

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Kyle wrote:
<quoted text>FACTS:

The number is more like 98%.

The other 2% are almost entirely people who quibble about one or two minor conclusions.

The handful of actually qualified climate scientists who actually believe as you do are exactly like Roy Spencer, who I've already discredited so thoroughly that you dishonest morons that brought him up refuse to discuss him now.

Science content that refutes the mountains of published, peer-reviewed science that essentially 99.99% of those who know best all agree upon = ZERO .... AS ALWAYS!
Liberals destroy anyone who disagrees!

Typical Liberal Standard operation procedure!

If you guys spend more time doing real unbiased science work instead of spending 98% of your time attacking the objective scientists then the real numbers will show up.

Global Warming Petition

31,487 American scientists have signed this petition, including 9,029 with PhDs

http://www.petitionproject.org/

GLOBAL WARMING IS A SOCIALIST HOAX
Ralph

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Mar 9, 2013
 
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>The warming trend will accelerate as seen already.
Read my posts again. Cooling down is not mentioned with regard to the global climate change..
"The warming trend will accelerate as seen already."

But But But, THIS WINTER is below (COOLER) than normal in Minnesota...

Do you have a logical response?

BTW, you can take all your PHDs and remember they all have opinions just like everyone else.

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