Global warming 'undeniable,' scientists say

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Scientists from around the world are providing even more evidence of global warming, one day after President Barack Obama renewed his call for climate legislation.

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Kyle wrote:
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Is that an admission that your beliefs are, and forever will be, unaffected by evidence?
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That's just another in your long string of fallacious arguments. Apparently, that's the only kind you have. Clearly, you don't like what science has discovered; preferring non-scientific attacks against it.
Now why in the world would I do that? I have no horse in this race, you and your ilk do, you would love to dictate to the rest of us how we should live and what we should buy and use.

You're the nazi, live as you wish and leave us alone. Stop trying to use the force of law to bend us to your will.

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And his scientific judgement is to be given greater weight than that of 98% of relevant scientists because ....?
Or maybe his scientific judgement should be highly suspect considering the massive amount of science denial and conspiracist mindset required to be a creationist. There is a very high correlation between denial of biology and denial of climate science, both in those who hold these views and in the "thinking" involved in justifying them.
You do know that Spencer's a full-fledged wacko creatard, don't you?
Tell us about the dishonest emails, the lies, the fakery.

If the world is warming, so what? Las Vegas is very hot, people live there just fine.

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Firstly, how EXACTLY do you know whether I drive a car? Remote viewing? This must be an incredible ability of yours.
Secondly, it's 100.00000000000000000000000000 000000000000% IRRELEVANT to the science what Al Gore, George Soros or even Obama do. You could prove all 3 of them are the most hypocritical, manipulative, venal, greedy, evil people in the history of the world, & you know what it would mean to the science?
NOTHING!
Scientific facts are true regardless of who does or doesn't believe them. The outlines of AGW/CC have been proven beyond all reasonable doubt.
Secondly, individual actions WRT their personal carbon footprints will NEVER be enough. Most carbon release is industrial, so we all need to reduce it together.
If you, e.g., took all liberals, which are ~20% of the US population, & had them reduce their personal carbon footprints to zero, total emissions wouldn't go down more than ~5% because so many emissions are industrial & out of individuals' personal control. We need EVERYONE to reduce emissions as part of broad, society-wide policies.
That's just the way it is. So you can say AGW/CC is false as much as you want, & accuse me or anyone else of not giving a cr*p, & it'll mean NOTHING to the science. Scientific facts are true no matter how much you & the oil companies want them to be false.
It's highly unlikely you don't have a car, heat your house, cool your house, fly on planes or use oil products.

The USA has made immense strides in the last decades reducing our carbon footprints.

Tell me, are you in fAVOR of sealing our borders? Or do you have the delusion, like all libs, that we can take in tens of millions of immigrants and not use vast amounts of additional energy and oil?

If you hate oil, gas, etc. don't use them.

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The above just proves that you either don't read the other side's (science's) material or that your confirmation bias has the best of you. The 100% intentional falsehoods that the deniers foisted on the gullible (you) about the actual meaning of said emails have been exposed so thoroughly and from the very outset that it is INSANE that you deniers can't/won't process the information!
Ur a zealot, a fanatic, a believer, I'm not, I'm merely skeptical that man is causing any warming and if there's anything we can even do about it. We're 2% of the world's land mass, the emerging countries are going to dwarf our energy use and they don't care one bit about your AGW theories, they care about improving their lifestyles, just as we have for centuries. There's were the carbon is going to be increased massively in the future, all your whining to us here at home is meaningless.

BTW, I only wish some oil co. was paying me off.

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Thank you for confirming the joke. Yes, Al Gore is fat.
IF this was a serious question, DUH. How could it threaten civilization? Gee, what do YOU think?
1. It is certain that there will be more intra-continental droughts, we just don't know exactly where, when or how severe. Droughts are increasing now world-wide. There is serious scientific work that suggests we will have droughts world-wide severe enough to cause agricultural collapse by mid-century. This would mean fis will worsen & almost certainly accelerate. If New York City is inundated, how much will that "cost"?$10 T?$20 T? more? Some cities, like Houston & Boston, are already trying to figure out how to pr
These connections you make are tenuous at best, simply speculation.

You by yourself have no way of knowing if they're even remotely true or simply conjecture, backed by nothing.
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All your blather says is you'd rather NOT be inconvenienced and leave the problem to our children.... Quit making excuses for yourself and grow a pair.
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All your blather says is you'd rather NOT be inconvenienced and leave the problem to our children.... Quit making excuses for yourself and grow a pair.
lewsie dear, please don't give up with your own blather. I still say you are the Blather Queen of Topix. I believe in you hun.
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Lewsie ? Weirdo wing nutter ???
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Lewsie ? Weirdo wing nutter ???
Oh, Slewsie, it was not Lewsie. It was lewsie. You are going to blow your job as Spell Check Queen on Topix if you can not even tell when a word is capitalized. I am not sure you are even worthy of being my gay hubby any more.
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Lewsie ? Weirdo wing nutter ??? Yep, a nutter.

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I went to the sea and looked, it's exactly the same level as the first time I saw it decades ago.
Try again.
I would like to thank AGW for giving Denver the crappiest, coldest winter in memory.
Oooooh... Well, OBVIOUSLY...

I'd believe you over satellite radar ANY day. I'm sure your eyes are WAY more accurate than satellite radar.

Obviously...

Hey, maybe they should hire you at NASA. They wouldn't need to track objects in space, or worry about measuring the planet, or worry about anything - they could just ask you to LOOK at it!

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The USA has made immense strides in the last decades reducing our carbon footprints.
Tell me, are you in fAVOR of sealing our borders? Or do you have the delusion, like all libs, that we can take in tens of millions of immigrants and not use vast amounts of additional energy and oil?
If you hate oil, gas, etc. don't use them.
Yes, our carbon footprints have decreased, no thanks to people like you.

Tell ME, what ON EARTH does my position on illegal immigration have to do with this? What's the price of tea in China?

For your information, I think we should be discriminatory, letting in the educated, the skilled, the people who can contribute something. It might be too bad for some families, but education & skills are more important.

NO. The point is DEFINITELY NOT that people who don't like fossil fuels shouldn't use them. That won't be NEARLY enough.

The important thing is that EVERYBODY must use less fossil fuels, including people like you. You, like millions of other people, probably suffer from the psychotic delusion that it is "free" to emit carbon into the atmosphere.

It most assuredly is NOT free. It will be almost incalculably expensive in the future. People who burn fossil fuels now are just leaving it for people to pay for in the future. It's selfish, irresponsible & dangerous.

It's a bit like the national debt. We spend money now, expecting people in the future to pay for it. We burn fossil fuels now, leaving carbon in the atmosphere & expecting people in the future to pay for it.

Except the the costs of emitting carbon could be much, MUCH larger than the national debt. We know what the national debt is. The consequences of unmitigated AGW/CC might be low, but also might be almost unimaginably high.

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These connections you make are tenuous at best, simply speculation.
You by yourself have no way of knowing if they're even remotely true or simply conjecture, backed by nothing.
They are NOT "backed by nothing."

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives...

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn22549-a...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PETM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenhouse_gas

When the temperature gets to a certain point, we cross the threshold, & all the methane is inexorably because it's a positive feedback cycle. Atmospheric carbon doubles, but it's much worse than that because methane is so much stronger as a greenhouse gas. It gives an extra ~5 C (or more) boost in temps, like the PETM.

Of course it might not happen, but it's the worst case scenario that would give us temps 10-15 higher, & of course an ice-free earth. Sea level would be ~75 meters (more than 245 ft) higher.

Everyone would want to live in northern Siberia, except OOPS! The northern third of Siberia would be under water.
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The above #25054 is overdue its diaper change. It must have another BS rash.
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Looks like "no brains tiny" has decided personal attacks are proof... Poor putz.
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You bet ti takes a putz to know a putz. Welcome to the fray.
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TI ??

Yep, a moron... Ps- According to THIS theory, anyone who sees an idiot, becomes an idiot ?? Only, when you see them, honey.
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So idiot that would make you a less-on.Only when you see them Less-on.
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Is that 1 of the 3 phrases you've memorized ? Geez tiny, don't have children, think of your poor genetics...
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Ur a zealot, a fanatic, a believer, I'm not, I'm merely skeptical that man is causing any warming and if there's anything we can even do about it. We're 2% of the world's land mass, the emerging countries are going to dwarf our energy use and they don't care one bit about your AGW theories, they care about improving their lifestyles, just as we have for centuries. There's were the carbon is going to be increased massively in the future, all your whining to us here at home is meaningless.
BTW, I only wish some oil co. was paying me off.
Congratulations for yet again showing that you're incapable of rational argument. I'll ignore all of the attempts to distract and steer the conversation elsewhere and repeat:

You are dead wrong about the emails and what they actually meant. I suspect that you know that, which explains your furious attempts to avoid the subject. That means that you knew you were lying when you brought of up. That makes you a dishonest debater and a dogmatic denier.

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