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Global warming 'undeniable,' scientists say

There are 35850 comments on the TwinCities.com story from Jul 29, 2010, titled Global warming 'undeniable,' scientists say. In it, TwinCities.com reports that:

Scientists from around the world are providing even more evidence of global warming, one day after President Barack Obama renewed his call for climate legislation.

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PHD

Cibolo, TX

#22790 Dec 13, 2012
Was that jet an solar powered one?

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#22791 Dec 13, 2012
Geologists have already discovered, I dislike that word, that global warming is not unordinary to the planet. As they have concluded it has happened about seven times, five of which were documented by humans at the same time in different parts of the world. The glacial core also reinforces this occurence.

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#22792 Dec 13, 2012
QuiteCrazy wrote:
Geologists have already discovered, I dislike that word, that global warming is not unordinary to the planet. As they have concluded it has happened about seven times, five of which were documented by humans at the same time in different parts of the world. The glacial core also reinforces this occurence.
Does that make it ok for us to alter the climate by dumping CO2 into the atmosphere?

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#22793 Dec 13, 2012
Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:
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Does that make it ok for us to alter the climate by dumping CO2 into the atmosphere?
I didn't say that Energizer Bunny. The green house effect and the depletion of the ozone layer are two contributing factors with ancient data that could not have been recorded. It could, although ignorant to presume that our current manner of exploiting the planet's natural resources in an fashion which humans had never before, attribute to this accelerated reaction.

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#22794 Dec 13, 2012
btw I didn't judge you

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#22795 Dec 13, 2012
QuiteCrazy wrote:
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I didn't say that Energizer Bunny. The green house effect and the depletion of the ozone layer are two contributing factors with ancient data that could not have been recorded. It could, although ignorant to presume that our current manner of exploiting the planet's natural resources in an fashion which humans had never before, attribute to this accelerated reaction.
Understand. However, this is an argument that many use to diminish the role of CO2 in global warming. Just because the planet warmed in the past does in no way support that argument. There are many problems associated with the increase of CO2 in the atmosphere.

“Come Home America!”

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Claymont, Delaware 19809

#22796 Dec 13, 2012
http://ecowatch.org/2012/fail-address-methane...

The Clean Air Act requires EPA to set emission controls—known as “New Source Performance Standards” or “NSPS”—for industrial sectors that cause or significantly contribute to air pollution that endangers public health and welfare. In August 2012, EPA revised NSPS regulations for the oil and natural gas industry. These regulations included, for the first time, federal air emission standards for natural gas wells developed through hydraulic fracturing, or “fracking,” along with requirements for several other sources of pollution in the oil and gas industry that are currently not regulated at the federal level.

However, the revised regulations do not address the industry’s methane emissions. In fact, although EPA concluded that its regulations would have “co-benefits” in reducing methane emissions, its decision not to directly address the emissions of methane from oil and natural gas operations leaves almost 95 percent of these emissions uncontrolled.

In today’s notice of intent to sue, Attorney General Schneiderman’s coalition charges that the EPA violated the Clean Air Act when it failed to address methane emissions in the August 2012 regulations. Specifically, the coalition argues that because EPA recognizes that methane endangers public health and welfare and is emitted in large quantities by the oil and gas industry—and has 18 years of data demonstrating that many methods of controlling these emissions are available and cost-effective—the Agency broke the law by deferring a decision on whether to set NSPS standards for methane emissions from the industry. The coalition’s notice states that it intends to file suit against EPA in federal district court, unless the Agency makes timely decisions on setting standards to curb these methane emissions from the oil and gas industry.

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#22797 Dec 13, 2012
Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:
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Understand. However, this is an argument that many use to diminish the role of CO2 in global warming. Just because the planet warmed in the past does in no way support that argument. There are many problems associated with the increase of CO2 in the atmosphere.
Definately not using that as a discussion point to defend or express my opinion. I only believe that the factor that you mentioned and previous records would validate for this "warm climate" happening drastically faster or ahead of schedule.

If there is a better and more effect way to live and use energy we definately can develop it and use it.

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#22798 Dec 13, 2012
buh bye bunny
continue to save the world, no jk

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"the green troll"

#22799 Dec 13, 2012
QuiteCrazy wrote:
Geologists have already discovered, I dislike that word, that global warming is not unordinary to the planet. As they have concluded it has happened about seven times, five of which were documented by humans at the same time in different parts of the world. The glacial core also reinforces this occurence.
They have also documented what happened during these warming periods:

http://www.greenmanstudio.com/wardco2big.jpg

Extinction events, where many species are simply wiped off the planet.

The Earth will be fine- it's just us who are in trouble.
PHD

Cibolo, TX

#22800 Dec 13, 2012
Yes during the warm periods my heat exchanger is turned off. That’s global warming turning into global cooling.

“Denying those who deny nature”

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Norfolk va

#22801 Dec 14, 2012
Amused Slew wrote:
<quoted text>You posted 2 different number of "teachers", so NO, "it" doesn't....
And I am still taking courses so of course the numbers are changing and the number of professor is increasing.

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#22802 Dec 14, 2012
Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:
A graph with nothing telling us what they used for data, how they calculated, or anything else.

As Mark Twain said, "There are three types of lies. Lies, damm lies, and statistics." What you have isn't even statistics.

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Amused Slew

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#22803 Dec 14, 2012
Too bad it's too few, to support your claim/lies... Poor tina, keep spinning and you'll get dizzier.

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CrazyasUR

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#22804 Dec 14, 2012
Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:
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Does that make it ok for us to alter the climate by dumping CO2 into the atmosphere?
And you have electricity to promote your propaganda by what means? Go outside and pulled the meter off your house hypocrite.

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Amused Slew

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#22805 Dec 14, 2012
You first, it's your dumb rules...

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#22806 Dec 14, 2012
CrazyasUR wrote:
<quoted text>And you have electricity to promote your propaganda by what means? Go outside and pulled the meter off your house hypocrite.
What a lame statement.

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Amused Slew

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#22807 Dec 14, 2012
tina anne wrote:
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A graph with nothing telling us what they used for data, how they calculated, or anything else.
As Mark Twain said, "There are three types of lies. Lies, damm lies, and statistics." What you have isn't even statistics.
Twain- Figures often beguile me, particularly when I have the arranging of them myself; in which case the remark attributed to Disraeli would often apply with justice and force: "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics."

Nice "quote" tina...NICE ~!

Further background on this quote is provided by Stephen Goranson who writes on the Mark Twain Forum in a post dated 31 July 2002: Twain's Autobiography attribution of a remark about lies and statistics to Disraeli is generally not accepted. Evidence is now available to conclude that the phrase originally appeared in 1895 in an article by Leonard H. Courtney. So Disraeli is not the source, nor any pre-1895 person; merely Courtney. The 1895 article is now available online at: http://www.york.ac.uk/depts/maths/histstat/li... Courtney may have read Carlyle on statistics (also quoted at this site); certainly, misuse of statistics was complained about before 1895.

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PHD

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#22808 Dec 15, 2012
Yes global cooling is 'undeniable,' scientists say

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Amused Slew

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#22809 Dec 15, 2012
Yes, anonymous asses are 'undeniable,' scientists say ...

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