The NRA and the Death Spiral

The NRA and the Death Spiral

Posted in the Minneapolis Forum

Republican Caused Deaths

Chicago, IL

#1 Dec 23, 2012
The Newtown massacre was a private tragedy and a public shock. Always a tragedy, but perhaps not such a shock. Armed violence and death from the end of a firearm are so much a part of our American persona. I should be shocked at the shameless “solution” to the danger for schools offered today by the Executive Director of the NRA, but I am merely sickened by the deaf, insensitive, unfeeling, shameful, and absurd suggestion.

The National Rifle Association on Friday called for schools to be protected by armed guards as the best way to protect children from gun violence… The proposal from the pro-gun lobbying group, long the most vocal and influential organization generally opposing stricter regulation of firearms, came during the N.R.A.’s first organized media event after the deadly shootings in Newtown, Conn. The group also called for steps other than gun control, including cracking down on criminals and fighting violence in the media and on video games.

“The only way — the only way — to stop a monster from killing our kids is to be personally involved and invested in a plan of absolute protection,” Mr. LaPierre said.“The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.”… Gun-free school zones identified by signs, he said, serve only to “tell every insane killer in America that schools are the safest place to effect maximum mayhem with minimum risk.”

“So why is the idea of a gun good when it’s used to protect the president of our country or our police but bad when it’s used to protect our children in our schools?” he continued.“They’re our kids. They’re our responsibility. And it’s not just our duty to protect them; it’s our right to protect them.”

Mr. LaPierre was quick to base their completely expected response on some right to protect. It is completely consistent with the “right” to protect each and every one of us by carrying a weapon to kill anyone that threatens us. I am a student of systems dynamics and know that this right (better a wrong) leads inevitably and inexorably to a nation with 100% of its adults (why restrict it to adults) armed, preferably openly armed. Given the paranoia embedded in the NRA answer, what will stop many mindless deaths from people thinking that the approaching armed stranger means harm. This is certainly not the picture seen by the framers of our constitution.

I do not have children in school, but do have many grandkids going off everyday. Schools are an important place of learning for our children. More history for a moment. The founding fathers knew that an educated body of citizens was necessary for the kind of democracy they sought to function. Our educational system has lost that sense and now aims to create the workers of tomorrow. In any case, our children learn much more in school than are embedded in the materials provided by the teachers. They learn how to live with others. They build pictures of the how the world works and how they can interact with it.

Guns have no, or at best a limited, place in this. We strive to keep our children out of jails after they leave school, but do a very bad job of that. If they go through school, locked inside of a jail, protected by armed guards, what kind of world are they learning to live in? Jail becomes the new normal.

Smart Liberal

“The one and only Smart Liberal”

Since: Aug 12

Former MN Tax Payer

#3 Dec 24, 2012
More extreme Leftist blog talking points without giving credit to the author.

Your pimping out of dead children to press an anti-gun agenda is repugnat.

Smart Liberal

“The one and only Smart Liberal”

Since: Aug 12

Former MN Tax Payer

#4 Dec 24, 2012
OK Sludge. Let me beat you to it.

The correct spelling is "repugnant".
More NRA Carnage

Minneapolis, MN

#6 Dec 24, 2012
When will this madness stop? It is not just the National Rifle Association, although the group is certainly a major part of the problem. The minute someone of authority advocates sensible gun laws and the outlawing of automatic weapons and clips that can hold up to 90 rounds of ammunition, the pro-gun advocates like Robert Witcher immediately think the government is trying to take all their guns away and “only the bad guys will have guns.”(See Witcher’s letter,“It’s a mistake to disarm good guys.”)

When the Second Amendment was added to our Constitution, I’m quite certain our forefathers did not envision automatic weapons that are only designed to kill other people. I am totally not against the right of any qualified person to own a gun for protection, hunting or just target practice. This is every American’s right. However, lately this country is becoming a nation of hatred and violence. Many video games are so violent, young people become immune to the senseless slaughter.

Gun laws must be strengthened and gun shows should not be excluded from taking background checks on buyers. Every gun show should have someone from the Bureau of Alcohol, Firearms, Tobacco and Explosives on the premises to ensure these background checks are legitimate.

No other civilized country in the world comes close to the number of violent gun deaths that occur in this country in a year. Of course, no laws can guarantee there will never be anymore gun violence, but maybe they at least cut down on this senseless slaughter.
More NRA Carnage

Minneapolis, MN

#7 Dec 26, 2012
When will this madness stop?
Amused Slew

Kent, WA

#8 Dec 26, 2012
Smart Liberal wrote:
OK Sludge. Let me beat you to it.
The correct spelling is "repugnant".
You're not worth reading... Corvair ?? LMAOROTFU~!

Lees Summit, MO

#9 Dec 31, 2012
Take away all the guns from the criminals, cops and the government and and you can have mine. Until then FU!!!

Minneapolis, MN

#10 Dec 31, 2012
More NRA Carnage wrote:
When will this madness stop?
It will stop when:

a. You prosecute straw buyers who sell guns to people who they shouldn't TO THE MAX, like the Viet Cong woman who sold guns to that idiot who killed his sister, set the whole neighborhood on fire, then shot firefighters when they showed up to fight the fire.
She should get LIFE IN PRISON, at the very least.

b. You educate gun owners, that they have a responsibility to SECURE their firearms, especially if they have kids, or other "troubled teens", like the school shooter in Conn. If parents have teens exhibiting "rebellious behavior", such as drug/alcohol use, bad school grades, wanting outrageous tattoos or piercings, they should GET INVOLVED, make sure that their weapons are LOCKED UP, and lay down the law, or start contacting the proper authorities.

c. You REPORT, to the proper authorities, when someone is exhibiting STRANGE BEHAVIOR, like the Aurora, CO theater shooter, so he/she can't buy a gun from a dealer. The SHRINK and the COLLEGE who knew that this "student" had "blown a gasket" should have reported it, but DIDN'T.

It's really QUITE SIMPLE, really. COMMON SENSE goes a LONG WAY.

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