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Bridgework

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Bob Schmahl wrote:
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Handguns and assault weapons should be illegal.
So why not nut up and go after the 2nd amendment instead of wasting everyone's time?
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Bob Schmahl wrote:
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Handguns and assault weapons should be illegal.
What is the difference between an 'assault weapon' and any other semi-automatic rifle?

By the way, Bob Costas has come out and has admitted he was wrong to bring up gun control on the football telecast. He said he supports the 2nd Amendment and Americans have a right to have guns.
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#47
Dec 4, 2012
 
I was wrong about Bob Costas. I had heard just a news report and a sound clip of Costas speaking. I heard the entire Dan Patrick interview and it turns out Costas is a strident advocate of gun control and is anti RKBA. He juat thinks the 115 seconds he had at halftime was nkt long enought to get his gun control point across.
Cloud 9

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Dec 4, 2012
 
Bob Schmahl wrote:
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What is the difference between an 'assault weapon' and any other semi-automatic rifle?
By the way, Bob Costas has come out and has admitted he was wrong to bring up gun control on the football telecast. He said he supports the 2nd Amendment and Americans have a right to have guns.
Assault rifles AK47/M16 is cheaply made and isn't very accurate but functions well in a combat environment. It functions well when dirty, fired a lot in combat, has large magazines, lightweight, some are inexpensive. The are military weapons made for combat but are used for hunting, especially by Hmong who used them in VietNam and enjoy the low cost.

Semi-auto hunting rifles are expensive, very accurate, small magazines, heavy weight, not durable, won't operate when dirty etc. Semi-auto hunting rifles are not used in combat and not used in crime.

Assualt rifles are favorites of many military firearms collectors, not the AK47s however mainly the US military rifles.
Amused Slew

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You're wrong a lot, which is why teabagger truth is crap....
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Cloud 9 wrote:
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Assault rifles AK47/M16 is cheaply made and isn't very accurate but functions well in a combat environment. It functions well when dirty, fired a lot in combat, has large magazines, lightweight, some are inexpensive. The are military weapons made for combat but are used for hunting, especially by Hmong who used them in VietNam and enjoy the low cost.
Semi-auto hunting rifles are expensive, very accurate, small magazines, heavy weight, not durable, won't operate when dirty etc. Semi-auto hunting rifles are not used in combat and not used in crime.
Assualt rifles are favorites of many military firearms collectors, not the AK47s however mainly the US military rifles.
Wow. You think you know something about these guns, but you are ill informed. First, both the Ak47 and the M16 are in fact accurate when shooting semi-auto. The AK functions when dirty, the M16, not so much. While assault rifles are in fact also assault weapons, assault weapons are not necessarily assault rifles. An assault rifle has not been used in a crime in the U.S. in many years. Rifles of all kinds are only rarely used in crimes.

Semi-auto hunting rifles also can be capable of large capacity magazines. So called assault weapons are also used for hunting. There are many so called assault weapons where the action and barrel are exactly the same as a so-called semi-auto hunting rifle, the only difference being a pistol grip, flash suppressor, and a bayonet lug.

The semi-auto 'assault weapons'(sometimes erroneously called an AR-15 even when it isn't) are the most popular rifle for competitive target shooting.

I don't know where you stand on RKBA, but my question about what the difference is between an 'assault weapon' and any other was an attempt to make the point that there is no difference between them.
Amused Slew

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#51
Dec 4, 2012
 
I agree. President Obama and the Democrats in the US Congress and Democrats in the various state legislatures should make amending the constitution, ie. revising the 2nd Amendment, a top priority until they get it changed.
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Dec 4, 2012
 
Trolls wrote:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/50 039959/ns/local_news-hartford_ ct/t/vernon-man-kills-father-w yoming-bow-arrow-attack/
No guns involved in this story, yet 3 people are dead.
That's it. What a tragedy. Its time to ban bows and arrows from society.
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Bob Schmahl wrote:
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Handguns and assault weapons should be illegal.
Hey moron. Look at every graph on this informational website.

http://www.justfacts.com/guncontrol.asp

Now read the document that inspired our Bill of Rights and the 2nd amendment, from 1689, after an oppressed minority was forcibly disarmed by the king. This showed the world that one monarch could not have absolute power.

http://avalon.law.yale.edu/17th_century/engla...

If the importance of the right to bear arms hasn't sunk in yet, try these websites cataloging the stories of citizens who have defended their lives and families.

http://gunssavelives.net/
http://www.thearmedcitizen.com/
http://www.kc3.com/self_defense/sd_home.htm
http://www.keepandbeararms.com/opsd/

Maybe you want only your overlords to have weapons, but our founders knew better. Gun bans don't work. Neither does disarming and oppressing the rights of the citizenry.

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Bridgework wrote:
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So you would target legal gun owners for actions of criminals?
Why yes, they would. They always do.
Amused Slew

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Dec 5, 2012
 
If gun owners are responsible, why are there shootings, again ??? LMAPOROTFu ~! cantgetitup or understand the connection, right ???

Since: Sep 11

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Criminals are not responsible gun owners. The vast majority of shootings and killings with guns involve criminals. Responsible gun owners don't do drive by's. Responsible gun owners don't rob liquor stores for crack money or commit car-jackings. Responsbile gun owners don't "put a cap in you azz" just because they can. Can't understand the connection, right?
Amused Slew

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#57
Dec 5, 2012
 
Where do ALL these criminals get the guns, why is ammo so readily available, and if gun owners are responsible, how'd I buy mine without ID ??? LMAOROTFU~!

Heck, a friend found a 9mm Browning IN A DITCH, oddly enough, it was originally a legally owned weapon...

cant\get/it|up and won't get outta the way...
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Dec 5, 2012
 
Amused Slew wrote:
Where do ALL these criminals get the guns, why is ammo so readily available, and if gun owners are responsible, how'd I buy mine without ID ??? LMAOROTFU~!
Heck, a friend found a 9mm Browning IN A DITCH, oddly enough, it was originally a legally owned weapon...
cant\get/it|up and won't get outta the way...
Fauch off and do not infest every Thread with your ignorant, off point comments.

Go seek the attentions of your Room mates at the asylum and stop bothering the grown ups.
Bridgework

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Dec 5, 2012
 
Amused Slew wrote:
Where do ALL these criminals get the guns, why is ammo so readily available, and if gun owners are responsible, how'd I buy mine without ID ??? LMAOROTFU~!
Heck, a friend found a 9mm Browning IN A DITCH, oddly enough, it was originally a legally owned weapon...
cant\get/it|up and won't get outta the way...
Are you lying now about owning a gun, or were you lying yesterday when you said you didn't own one?

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Bridgework wrote:
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Are you lying now about owning a gun, or were you lying yesterday when you said you didn't own one?
Deny, defer, deflect, deceive, deride, disparage, disdain, dodge. And lie over and over again.
It is all he/she/it knows. Oh, and plagiarize.
Cloud 9

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Bob Schmahl wrote:
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Wow. You think you know something about these guns, but you are ill informed. First, both the Ak47 and the M16 are in fact accurate when shooting semi-auto. The AK functions when dirty, the M16, not so much. While assault rifles are in fact also assault weapons, assault weapons are not necessarily assault rifles. An assault rifle has not been used in a crime in the U.S. in many years. Rifles of all kinds are only rarely used in crimes.
Semi-auto hunting rifles also can be capable of large capacity magazines. So called assault weapons are also used for hunting. There are many so called assault weapons where the action and barrel are exactly the same as a so-called semi-auto hunting rifle, the only difference being a pistol grip, flash suppressor, and a bayonet lug.
The semi-auto 'assault weapons'(sometimes erroneously called an AR-15 even when it isn't) are the most popular rifle for competitive target shooting.
I don't know where you stand on RKBA, but my question about what the difference is between an 'assault weapon' and any other was an attempt to make the point that there is no difference between them.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AK-47

The AK47 will produce a group of 3-6 inches at 100 yards.

A semi-auto M100 Winchester will produce a group of 1 inch at 100 yards.

It depends what is accurate in your mind.

Assualt rifles are not designed with the same tolerances as hunting weapons even thou the same basic receiver and barrel. For example bedding is very different, length of barrel longer on hunting rifles, most hunting rifles use a high powered scope and are not shot in an environment where numerous shots will overheat the weapon.

While a hunting rifle can use a relatively high capacity magazine they arn't designed to shoot a high number of rounds with heat dissipating grips etc. Hunting rifles are normally made of nice looking wood.

In combat heat is a killer, hunting not so much.

IF the "Commies Are Coming" a hunting rifles will do just fine but I'd rather have a military assualt rifle designed for combat.
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Cloud 9 wrote:
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AK-47
The AK47 will produce a group of 3-6 inches at 100 yards.
A semi-auto M100 Winchester will produce a group of 1 inch at 100 yards.
It depends what is accurate in your mind.
Assualt rifles are not designed with the same tolerances as hunting weapons even thou the same basic receiver and barrel. For example bedding is very different, length of barrel longer on hunting rifles, most hunting rifles use a high powered scope and are not shot in an environment where numerous shots will overheat the weapon.
While a hunting rifle can use a relatively high capacity magazine they arn't designed to shoot a high number of rounds with heat dissipating grips etc. Hunting rifles are normally made of nice looking wood.
In combat heat is a killer, hunting not so much.
IF the "Commies Are Coming" a hunting rifles will do just fine but I'd rather have a military assualt rifle designed for combat.
I think we're on the same side here. My dispute with you is mostly about this:

"Semi-auto hunting rifles are expensive, very accurate, small magazines, heavy weight, not durable, won't operate when dirty etc. Semi-auto hunting rifles are not used in combat and not used in crime."

It depends on your definition of expensive. Every single AR type rifle is much more expensive than your average so-called 'deer' rifle. Not all of them are heavy (think Remington mountain rifle). By the way, the Winchester 70 and Remington 700 were used for decades as sniper rifles. You are correct about crime however, as far as you went, because rifles of all kinds, including so-called assault weapons, are rarely used in crime.
Cloud 9

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Bob Schmahl wrote:
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I think we're on the same side here. My dispute with you is mostly about this:
"Semi-auto hunting rifles are expensive, very accurate, small magazines, heavy weight, not durable, won't operate when dirty etc. Semi-auto hunting rifles are not used in combat and not used in crime."
It depends on your definition of expensive. Every single AR type rifle is much more expensive than your average so-called 'deer' rifle. Not all of them are heavy (think Remington mountain rifle). By the way, the Winchester 70 and Remington 700 were used for decades as sniper rifles. You are correct about crime however, as far as you went, because rifles of all kinds, including so-called assault weapons, are rarely used in crime.
We ARE on the same side, you are correct in price of hunting and assualt rifles except the AK47 which can be bought pretty cheap but it is what it is, best for combat and those Hmong who just love the junk.

IMHO everyone should own an M16/AR15/M14 and a couple of thousand rounds just in case.

In basic I was able to knock down silloetts 460 meters out with an M14. Of course my brother told me the secret was to not attempt to hit the silloette(sp?) with the round but hit in front of the silloette and knock dirt up onto the silloette which causes them to go down.

I once was able to shoot as many rounds through an M14 as I wanted to and emptied about 4 - 20 round mags through it and it was to hot to hold, was smoking and the barrel never recovered, was damaged.

Happy shooting to you!
Bob Schmahl

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Cloud 9 wrote:
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We ARE on the same side, you are correct in price of hunting and assualt rifles except the AK47 which can be bought pretty cheap but it is what it is, best for combat and those Hmong who just love the junk.
IMHO everyone should own an M16/AR15/M14 and a couple of thousand rounds just in case.
In basic I was able to knock down silloetts 460 meters out with an M14. Of course my brother told me the secret was to not attempt to hit the silloette(sp?) with the round but hit in front of the silloette and knock dirt up onto the silloette which causes them to go down.
I once was able to shoot as many rounds through an M14 as I wanted to and emptied about 4 - 20 round mags through it and it was to hot to hold, was smoking and the barrel never recovered, was damaged.
Happy shooting to you!
One more observation about 'assault weapons'. Most law enforcement and media people don't have a clue. If any kind of cheap, foreign-made semi-automatic gun is part of a news story (think SKS), then it is always referred to as an AK-47. if it is American made, it is always listed as an AR-15 (think Aurora where it was a S&W M&P 15 used). And of course any semi-auto handgun is a Glock.

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