Labor unions getting nervous

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non-starter

Saint Paul, MN

#1 Dec 6, 2012
(Reuters)- Michigan Republicans on Thursday announced a drive to make the home of the U.S. auto industry the 24th "right to work" state banning mandatory union dues, setting off a confrontation with organized labor that immediately led to arrests of protesters.
Hundreds of unionized workers converged on the state capital of Lansing as majority Republicans in the legislature prepared to introduce a draft law as soon as Thursday with a target for passage by the end of the year.
Several people were arrested while demonstrating inside the Capitol building when they tried to rush past troopers outside the Senate chambers, State Police spokesman Gene Adamczyk said.
The protests recalled the bitter fight over the last two years in Wisconsin, where Republicans voted to curb the powers of public sector unions.
The Wisconsin law in 2011 sparked massive protests and unsuccessful efforts to recall Republican Governor Scott Walker.
Hundreds of people were crowded into the Michigan Capitol building and entry was cut off for safety reasons except for those conducting business, Adamczyk said. At least 2,000 people gathered on the grounds outside, he said.
"We had such a concentration of protesters in one area," he said. "We don't want the mob to shift and someone to go over the Rotunda railing."
Democrats said they were planning to file a lawsuit to get the building reopened and were seeking to delay further legislative action.
Michigan is home to the United Auto Workers and would become the second state in the industrial U.S. heartland to adopt such a law after Indiana earlier in 2012.
Republican Governor Rick Snyder said the legislation would cover the public and private sectors, with exemptions for police and fire, and he hoped it would be passed before lawmakers adjourn for the holidays.
"Quite often people call it right-to-work, but I think it is a much better description to say that this is about fairness in the workplace and equality in the workplace," Snyder said.
Snyder said he was asking for an act to be passed promptly and he would sign it when it arrived on his desk.
Republican House Speaker Jase Bolger and Republican Senate Majority Leader Randy Richardville said they believe there are enough votes to pass the legislation and aimed to get it done by the end of 2012. It would not take effect until possibly three months into 2013, Richardville said.
"This debate has been ongoing in Michigan for decades and specifically in this legislature for two years now," Bolger said.
Snyder's decision to pursue the legislation marks a reversal for the governor, who had said that a right-to-work law would be too divisive. On Thursday, he said Indiana's actions earlier this year helped influence his decision.
"I think this is what is best for Michigan," Snyder said.
Snyder acknowledged Thursday the demonstrations at the Capitol and the strong feelings people had about the issue.
"We have come to the point over the last few weeks and the last month or two where that issue was on the table whether I wanted it to be there or not," Snyder said.
Michigan voters in November rejected a measure that would have enshrined a right to collective bargaining in the state constitution, leading to renewed calls from state lawmakers to take up the right-to-work issue before the end of the year.
"Right-to-work" laws typically allow workers to opt out of paying union dues and bar requirements that an employee must join a union to work in a certain shop.
Supporters say the laws help attract or keep businesses, while opponents say they suppress worker wages and benefits and are aimed at undermining the financial stability of unions.

Michigan had the fifth highest percentage of workers in the country who are union members in 2011, according to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics.
Bob Schmahl

Saint Paul, MN

#2 Dec 6, 2012
"Labor unions getting nervous"???? No, I think not. The odds of Michigan going 'right to to work' are nil.
non-starter

Saint Paul, MN

#3 Dec 6, 2012
Bob Schmahl wrote:
"Labor unions getting nervous"???? No, I think not. The odds of Michigan going 'right to to work' are nil.
The legislation will be passed. Bet on it.
Bob Schmahl

Saint Paul, MN

#4 Dec 6, 2012
I'd be willing to make a wager. How about $100? We need to set a date that it has to pass by and agree on someone to hold the money.

You in?
non-starter

Saint Paul, MN

#5 Dec 6, 2012
Bob Schmahl wrote:
I'd be willing to make a wager. How about $100? We need to set a date that it has to pass by and agree on someone to hold the money.
You in?
The wager is only based on passing the legislation, not any court challenges later, then I am in. I have someone I would allow to hold the money in mind.
Bob Schmahl

Saint Paul, MN

#6 Dec 6, 2012
I would accept a priest, minister or rabbi. Describe your idea of a neutral person to hold the money, and the date the bet would be settled.

FYI, I tried very hard to get Smart Liberal and Consistent to bet me on the presidential election, but both were too chicken to.
non-starter

Saint Paul, MN

#7 Dec 6, 2012
To hold the money, I pick someone from this forum community, Madaman. While I don't agree with his politics, I feel he is of high integrity. The deadline to pass should be the end of this year's Michigan legislative session. Passing the legislation means it gets voted on by the legislature and signed by the governor, period. With these stipulations, I accept.
non-starter

Saint Paul, MN

#8 Dec 6, 2012
So is Madaman lefty enough to hold the money for you or not?
Bob Schmahl

Minneapolis, MN

#9 Dec 6, 2012
non-starter wrote:
<quoted text>The wager is only based on passing the legislation, not any court challenges later, then I am in. I have someone I would allow to hold the money in mind.
You better get that money in Madam's hands quick. Gov Snyder already said he would sign it as soon as it comes to his desk.

Michigan House passes right-to-work legislation after Democrats walk out to protest closed Capitol

5:50 PM, December 6, 2012

By Paul Egan and Kathleen Gray
Detroit Free Press Staff Writers

LANSING — The state House passed the first right-to-work bill late this afternoon in a 58-52 vote, but the bill can’t move on to the Senate until the next session day — possibly Friday, if a session is scheduled — because of a procedural move by Democrats who are asking that the vote be reconsidered.

The bill — House Bill 4054 — is one of three separate right-to-work bills now in the Legislature that will eventually be consolidated into two bills. The Senate was debating its own version this evening. Both the House and Senate bills deal with private sector employees. The third bill, which deals with public sector employees, excluding police and firefighters, also still is winding its way around the Legislature.
non-starter

Saint Paul, MN

#10 Dec 6, 2012
Bob Schmahl wrote:
<quoted text>
You better get that money in Madam's hands quick. Gov Snyder already said he would sign it as soon as it comes to his desk.
Michigan House passes right-to-work legislation after Democrats walk out to protest closed Capitol
5:50 PM, December 6, 2012
By Paul Egan and Kathleen Gray
Detroit Free Press Staff Writers
LANSING — The state House passed the first right-to-work bill late this afternoon in a 58-52 vote, but the bill can’t move on to the Senate until the next session day — possibly Friday, if a session is scheduled — because of a procedural move by Democrats who are asking that the vote be reconsidered.
The bill — House Bill 4054 — is one of three separate right-to-work bills now in the Legislature that will eventually be consolidated into two bills. The Senate was debating its own version this evening. Both the House and Senate bills deal with private sector employees. The third bill, which deals with public sector employees, excluding police and firefighters, also still is winding its way around the Legislature.
He won't pony up, I noticed he backed down almost immediately. Guess he doesn't back up his rhetoric with money.
Bob Schmahl

Minneapolis, MN

#11 Dec 6, 2012
non-starter wrote:
<quoted text>He won't pony up, I noticed he backed down almost immediately. Guess he doesn't back up his rhetoric with money.
Doesn't back his rhetoric up with anything. Typical weenie Lib.
Dads Biological Sister

Grantsburg, WI

#13 Dec 6, 2012
Amused Slew wrote:
<quoted text>Wait a minute, you morons wouldn't bet on the election, but expect anyone to trust you ?? LMAOROTFU! Funny stuff, from a fool...
Idiot,

Why is so difficult for you to embrace your idiocy?

Even your cut/pastes are never relevant to any issue that you post them on.

As a Psychotic EVERYTHING you post is a "Defensive Reaction",(Google the expression!) and you use every one of the 12 or so Defenses defined by Professionals to identify Mentally Ill like you that know nothing but "Defensive Reactions".

Nothing you post has EVER had any value, and we are subjected to you working out your Uncle Daddy issues in public on this Forum, to the detriment of we the normal functioning Human Beings.

Isn't there a more appropriate Forum on the Internet for Sociopaths like you to do the "Uh Huh, Yup, Yup, Yup, Uh Huh" babble with others just like you? We know that you in the 10% Defective exist, and always will.

There must be a Home for Psychotics like you on the Internet someplace.

Would you like me to find a "Home" for you on the Internet where you can babble with your Co Defectives?

Signed, Mommy
Moms Biological Brother

Grantsburg, WI

#15 Dec 6, 2012
Amused Slew wrote:
Courtesy of DELICIOUS PhillipKs VodKa and LOTS OF BRAIN DAMAGE ~! LMAOROTFU~!
So glad you're not embarrassing your "family" again/still ! LMAOROTFU~!
Slewsie!

What did my sista, your Mommy just say to you!

Leave the Decent people alone!

Signed, Uncle Daddy
Bob Schmahl

Minneapolis, MN

#16 Dec 6, 2012
Amused Slew wrote:
Courtesy of DELICIOUS PhillipKs VodKa and LOTS OF BRAIN DAMAGE ~! LMAOROTFU~!
So glad you're not embarrassing your "family" again/still ! LMAOROTFU~!
By this time tomorrow night the great State of Michigan will be a Right To Work State. Can you imagine that? We've come a long way baby. Let's have a "hip-hip-hooray!" Slew.
Public Servant

Grantsburg, WI

#19 Dec 6, 2012
Amused Slew wrote:
As I recall, you also bought a governor, that accomplished nothing ! LMAOROTFU~! Poor loser, the court stopped the governor and who know here...Ps- Certainly NOT a moron/lackey...Pps- Management says thanks SUCKER ~!
Slewsie,

(The Medication is wearing off, you are "Double Posting" your assaults!)

The Thorazine Injection Line forms up at 8:00 PM.

You are late!

Now get in line!

Signed,
Dr Happy, Doctor of the Crimally Insane
Seattle West Insane Asylum
Bob Schmahl

Minneapolis, MN

#20 Dec 6, 2012
Amused Slew wrote:
As I recall, you also bought a governor, that accomplished nothing ! LMAOROTFU~! Poor loser, the court stopped the governor and who knows here...Ps- Certainly NOT a moron/lackey...Pps- Management says thanks SUCKER ~!
One of the prime indicators of a sociopath is repeating yourself.
Public Servant

Grantsburg, WI

#24 Dec 6, 2012
Amused Slew wrote:
<quoted text>Yep, Boob says con is a sociopath or perhaps Boob is a hypocrite/moron ?? LMAOROFU~!
SLEWSIE!,

You are 45 Minutes late for your Thorazine Injections!

Now get in line before you are confined to the Rubber Room for the night!

And leave the Good People alone here!

Signed,
Dr Happy,
Doctor of the Criminally Insane
Seattle West Insane Asylum
Bob Schmahl

Minneapolis, MN

#25 Dec 6, 2012
Michigan, home of the Commie unions, is about to join the free world. Way to go Michiganders!
Public Servant

Grantsburg, WI

#28 Dec 6, 2012
Amused Slew wrote:
There's your typical wing NUT ! LMAOROTFU!
Patient # 2376,

You now have 12 Minutes to get in line for your Thorazine Injections. Failure to do so will result in restraints being used on you again today.

This is your last warning.

Signed,

The Womyn in the White Suits
4th Floor, Dangerous Psychotics Unit
Seattle West Insane Asylum
Bob Schmahl

Minneapolis, MN

#29 Dec 6, 2012
Amused Slew wrote:
<quoted text>Right to work...for less.
In your case, it's MORE that you're worth, dumbass ~!
That shows how stupid you are. When the law is passed, it will not outlaw unions or change anything except allowing the employee to opt out of a union if he wants. If the union does its job, why would anyone not want to belong? Dumb f***er Slew.

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